if Dems won't vote to stop the war, we'll vote for a Repub. who will in 06

[mopaul]

from stan goff

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1891526

Americans are waking up, and members of Congress who let themselves be stampeded into this war need to put their wind meters back out, because while Bush doesn’t have to run for anything again, every member of the House of Representatives and a third of the Senate are running in 2006. Americans are waking up, and they are in a very bad mood about this war, and as Bob Dylan once sang, it don’t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I’ll tell my Democrat right now from the platform, if he doesn’t fight to bring them home now, I’ll vote a Republican who says he or she will. People are dying, and we will not respect on election day those who sat on a fence while the coffins arrived at Dover, and the cries of pain echoed off the walls at Landstuhl and Walter Reed.

ya hear that joe lieberman and joe biden?

[ComerPerro]

1. So he's gonna reward the republicans for starting the war?

Why wouldn't they lie for votes, and say they will bring our troops home?

[IrateCitizen]

4. Is he going to reward Democrats for rolling over on it?

If you're looking for partisanship in the 2-party system from Stan Goff, I'd suggest you look someplace else.

I'd have a hard time voting for a Democrat who pledged to continue the war over a Republican who offered a coherent plan with a timetable for immediately beginning to end it as well. :shrug:

[ComerPerro]

5. Yeah, good luck getting a Republican to do that

They sure as hell haven't yet.

And even if they propose anything, what guarantee would you have that they would actually follow up on it?

[IrateCitizen]

9. The same could be said of whoever the Dems put forth.

And even if they propose anything, what guarantee would you have that they would actually follow up on it?

That could just as easily apply to elected Democrats as well as Republicans.

[ComerPerro]

12. Yeah true, but Republicans are still siding with the president

[IrateCitizen]

14. And what's the position of the big-name Democrats?

You know, the ones like Biden, Lieberman, Clinton, et. al.?

"We will do the same thing pretty much, we'll just do it better."

Did I get the jist of it there?

[ComerPerro]

15. Ok, I'm not tryint to start an argument.

I just consider this to be very hypothetical.

[IrateCitizen]

16. Yeah, it is pretty much all hypothetical, considering...

... that in 2008, both parties will likely nominate candidates who are saying that the resistance in Iraq is in its "death throes", and that we have to "stay until we win".

In which case, I will either be abstaining or voting Green, to be perfectly honest.

[JackRiddler]

7. Lieberman & Biden

The two of them started this war just as much as any Republican in the Senate.

You have to decide: are you for doing the right thing, or are you for the Democrats?

The choice should be obvious.

[ComerPerro]

8. But I don't trust that any Republican would do the right thing

I don't hear any speaking out now.

[IrateCitizen]

10. Ron Paul and Walter Jones are two...

They stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Neil Abercrombie and Dennis Kucinich, advocating a withdrawl plan.

BTW -- Walter Jones was the one who started the whole "Freedom Fries" fiasco. He represents one of the most military-heavy districts in the country. He has photos of all 100+ service members from his district killed in Iraq posted as the first thing you see when you enter his office. I've read articles that say he is visibly shaken by this whole ordeal.

Just because people may have different perspectives on a lot of things from you doesn't make them a bad person, just like someone who shares many of your views isn't necessarily a good person.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Them thar's fightin' words... Keep it up!

[tritsofme]

3. Maybe a nice Republican will tell us of his secret plan to end the war

and bomb the hell out of Syria and Iran...

It would follow with tradion...

[Dogmudgeon]

6. That was Nixon's strategy

Besides, we have three more years of this crap to watch getting played out. Odds are good that the political calculus will change greatly by then -- but I don't think that the Republicans are going to be the "victors".

Lieberman can be written off -- his negatives with the voting public are sky-high. Biden is a big old pretty whore, but he has a lot of skeletons in his closet, including a major plagiarism scandal just waiting to happen. But either could run some nasty interference -- even Joementum has given the Rhinestone Cowboy the heebie-jeebies on a couple of occasions.

--p!

[ConservativeDemocrat]

11. Stan Goff - a TRUE Republican TOOL

For those of you who didn't follow the link, here's a translation of what he said:

"Oh, people aren't doing things exactly the way I wanna. So I'm going to scream and hold my breath till it turns blue. I'll vote for someone who'll keep raping the middle class, someone who will destroy choice, someone who will reward polluters, someone who will sell the government to the highest bidder, someone who is a closet racist and an open homophobic bigot. I'll vote for someone who I KNOW is lying to me about pulling the troops out. All because I'm mad mad mad mad MAAAAAAD! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"

If you agree with Stan and don't consider yourself a Democrat, why the hell are you posting on the Democratic Underground?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Realty Based Community

[IrateCitizen]

13. You obviously know nothing about Stan Goff, my friend...

He's only passionate about this issue because he spent a couple of tours in Vietnam, then came back to spend a total of 23 years of his life in some of the most elite units in the US military, then saw his son join the Army and get shipped off to Iraq, so he's spent the majority of his life seeing how US servicemembers get fucked over by the politicians that give them high platitudes and flattery while simultaneously screwing them without the benefit of lubricant.

Oh, and Stan's an avowed leftist. Not a Democrat, but a leftist. Perhaps that's the equivalent of "republican tool" for you, but for many of us it is not the same thing.

[Zodiak]

17. Keep it to yourself

Keep your translations to yourself....we speak and read English, you know. Talk about insulting! And I defend the right of ANY person on the left or right to speak out here, provided they are not insulting...who are you to police members?