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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:09 AM
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Actually no, "most troops" do NOT support bush or his war.
Many U.S. troops in Iraq left with anti-Bush feelings

Among officers, who represent roughly 15 percent of today's 1.4 million active duty military personnel, there are about eight Republicans for every Democrat, according to a 1999 survey by Duke University political scientist Peter Feaver.

Enlisted personnel, however - a disproportionate number of whom are minorities, a population that tends to lean Democratic - are more evenly split. Professor Feaver estimates that about one third of enlisted troops are Republicans, one third Democrats, and the rest independents, with the latter group growing.

"(For) 9 out of 10 of the people I talk to, it wouldn't matter who ran against Bush - they'd vote for them," said a U.S. soldier in the southern city of Najaf, seeking out a reporter to make his views known. "People are so fed up with Iraq, and fed up with Bush."

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/headlines/troops921

Then lookit this doozie; take a poll with X number of troops, 50% of them officers (8-1 republicans) and 50% of them enlisteds (1-3 republicans);

In other words, totally ignore the fact that officers to enlisteds in the military is 15% to 85%, not 50-50.

And ya STILL only get 56% support for bush???! IN 2003 "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"??! OUCH!

2003 Military Times poll — We asked. You answered.

Military backs Bush more than civilians do — but not by much

Fifty-six percent of those in the Military Times Poll approved of Bush’s handling of Iraq.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2513919.p...

Military Times subscribers are overwhelmingly officers. Ie Republicans. But even the MT only came up with 56% support -in 2003- for bush's war on Iraq.

Imagine what it is this year... ;)

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:11 AM
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1. Another good job
Thanks.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:14 AM
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2. Thanks, Lynn. Love the analysis. You gotta love a good impeachment.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:15 AM
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3. Many, far too many, join for economic gain.... Hardly any good jobs to
be had these days......See the segment in 9/11 by Mike Moore...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:30 AM
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4. My father, retired Army officer, campaigned for Bush
Edited on Wed Jun-29-05 01:31 AM by Hissyspit
He served two tours of duty in Vietnam. You would think Bush's failure to complete his Vietnam-era commitment (read: desertion) would bug him. But my dad has always been quite the traditional authoritarian.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:34 AM
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5. Maybe he didn't hear the other traditionalists;
Edited on Wed Jun-29-05 01:35 AM by LynnTheDem
Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Retired Envoys, Commanders Assail Bush Team
Administration Unable to Handle 'Global Leadership,' 27-Member Group Asserts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46538-2004Jun16.html
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:42 AM
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7. Dad served under Gen. Schwarzkopf in Alaska in the '70s:
Edited on Wed Jun-29-05 01:44 AM by Hissyspit
My mother says that one night Schwarzkopf threw a jelly jar at his sister in our kitchen (I was about 13 back then); everyone knew about the general's bad temper. My sister used to baby-sit their kids.

Dad HATED Hackworth.

The only misgiving I have heard my father mention about Iraq was that he was worried we didn't have enough troops there.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:41 AM
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6. Guess I'm not surprised....
I'm just fucking sick of Iraq and all this chaos which is still costing us. :puke: :puke:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:43 AM
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8. Not to mention the MONEY it's costing us.
So much for the Republican revolution of fiscally responsible government.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 03:07 AM
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10. It was all bullshit.
But at least we got a few good things out of it and it wasn't a total loss....
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 01:56 AM
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9. 2004 results?
Anybody seen the results for absentee overseas ballots? Seems like this is the first time nobody talks about them.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 03:07 AM
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11. Why do we NOT hear about those results???
Gee, you'd think we'd all have heard about the results if bush had won the military vote...

Heh. :D
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 03:09 AM
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12. There was no results....
They got lost in the mail. :eyes:
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:20 AM
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17. Yeah, they also had some of them vote..
by email. No room for error there.:sarcasm:
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:28 AM
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18. My god! They stick by the troops....
So patriotic its incredible this congress is.... :mad:
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 05:34 AM
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13. Nominated and kicked
Getting REALLY TIRED of the "republican conservative military" meme.

When my husband was enlisted, nearly everyone we knew were Democrats.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 07:24 AM
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14. This should be spread as much as possible
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:18 AM
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15. Clearer than ever: troops used for Repub domestic political hegemony
Bush thinks why not try old lies again, leave the troops in a no-win situation for crass and disgusting domestic political gain under the phony guise of fighting terrorism. They are pawns in his game. He has no plan, is OK with 4-5 U.S. servicepeople dieing per day while he uses the war to phonily associate it with terrorism while he destroys the country from the inside. It has worked so far. He simply renewed the lies last night. He has the U.S. military hostage to this con scheme. This is just going to keep getting worse until a true, open, honest antiwar counter-effort is made.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:20 AM
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16. Those numbers have surely fallen in two years
Who can stand long-term mismanagement?

People fighting this war, from the national guard troops who never expected to leave the US, to the generals in the field, are directly contradicting the PResident.

Patience has worn thin.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-05 08:28 AM
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19. Bush is a flip flopper
It is hard to support someone who a year earlier declares "mission accomplished" then last night he emphasized that we must stay to "complete the mission." Which is it?
Also his own absymal service record makes it hard for those serving to support him. What if everyone in the reserves took the cavalier attitude toward their service that he did during Vietnam.
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