Seriously, what did he mean with "This Third World War is raging"

[uppityperson]

Did "This Third World War is raging" mean WWIII or war in the 3rd world? These put 2 entirely different meanings on what he was saying. (insert comment here as to was he saying anything, but you know what I mean?)

There is a big difference between a war in the third world and world war three. Anyone?

[Chicago Democrat]

1. It means he started World War III and he knows it....

WHAT A JERK BUSH IS

[uppityperson]

6. I think he started WW3 also, but this could be another bushlie

the way he said it/ it is written, it could be a war in the third world, and could be used for misleading propaganda again ("I didn't say THAT, what I said was...").

[atommom]

2. Good catch. I think he got a little ahead of himself there.

It's possible he was just thinking "third world" and "war", but it's hard to put anything past him these days.

[Just Me]

3. They anticipated that their actions would incite another world war.

I'm not kidding.

[Sanity Claws]

4. He was supposed to be quoting OBL

I heard this snippet on the radio this morning. Apparently ** was quoting OBL who was talking about bringing on the third world war. Too bad Chimp didn't admit that he jumped at OBL's bait and is indeed causing a war of world wide consequences.

[nolabels]

20. Please no more myths about OBL.

OBL was just the patsy fall guy. Anybody that can do a little reasoning and looked a fair amount of evidence would surmise this in short order.

Try this forum if you need more info
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

or here if need some more
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

26. You quote a site...

...that contains anti-gay hate propoganda like this:

The similarity between the Playboy and homosexual ideal is no coincidence. "The Kinsey Report" (1948) shaped current mainstream attitudes to sex. It championed unfettered sexual expression and became the manifesto of the counterculture and sexual revolution. It inspired Hugh Hefner to start Playboy in 1953.

Essentially "The Kinsey Report" said that aberrant sexual behavior was so common as to be normal. Thanks to psychologist Dr. Judith Reisman, we now know that Alfred Kinsey and the "Kinsley Report" were frauds.


And this...

Is it possible that someday it may be a crime to oppose homosexuality? Could the Holy Bible eventually be designated "hate literature," and preachers be accused of "hate crimes" for condemning the practice from their pulpits? Will parents be forbidden to teach their children to abhor homosexuality? This all seems improbable, or even impossible — but as the case of Rolf Szabo illustrates, the homosexual movement now has the power to punish those unwilling to "celebrate" that lifestyle.

And don't get me started on their "culture of death" nonsense, or their rage against the EU as some sort of "new world order."

But I guess since they support your position on 9/11, it's OK to reference hatemongering psychopaths. Please spare me the protestations about how I don't have to believe everything on their site in order to accept your link as valid. I place it in context. Here, the context is that of a bunch of fraudsters wishing to stir up right-wing paranoid fantasy about the US government trying to take over the world, and Hollywood liberals destroying our children (assuming the homosexuals don't get to them first.)

How can you support a place like that? Is this really the message we want to send as a group - that it's OK to spread hate and propoganda, as long as one of your positions lines up with mine? That's a far cry from the sort of standard to which we should be holding ourselves. Frankly, I'm really disappointed that this got posted.

[nolabels]

27. If we all listened to everything and took it all verbatem..........

most of us would be dead from something or another because we didn't use our own common sense. Alex Jones and Prison Planet has a Christo-fundamentalist bent no doubt. That on the face of it does not make it a non-credible source. Evidence and reasoning can be gathered by anybody. Because one or a group of people have a belief in anything does not make any of the rest of their being null and void.

I would get into the debate about some of that stuff, but I never like to get into defending others beliefs when seems they are not all that defensible. I go there to check news and views, often there it gets put out with one or two middle men removed so it's without all the filtering. People who are leary (some would say paranoid)about government and what other secret groups are doing come from both left and right of the political spectrum if you haven't noticed. They keep their eyes open and their ears keen on them little nuances that are tips offs to what others hidden agendas are or might be.

To me if even ten percent of what they put out correct it puts things in a new perspective. To dismiss anyone out of hand because you find anything not up to par with an agreed truth puts you in the same camp as any other extremist. I have never met anyone that was always 100% correct every time and mostly don't think I ever will. I take your criticism with a grain of salt but I do understand where you are coming from.

That might have been a bad link for some to look for information, so I am sorry about that, but there are tens of thousands of other ones

Here is 20 more to start with from the link crusader at this link
http://www.linkcrusader.com/


My 20 Favorite Sites Researching the 9-11 WTC Attacks, August, 2004
1 - World Action - This site puts it all together, The truths about 9-11, HAARP, GWEN, Chemtrails, Hopi Prophecies, Excellent info & Quotes
2 - Center for Cooperative Research - Huge site with MANY links to 9-11 info, other websites & organizations
3 - Stew Webb - Huge Site, Updated News, Bush Crime Family flow chart, AIDS, 9-11 Cover-up, Anthrax, Carlyle, Chemtrails, Enron
4 - 9-11 Exposed! - A MUST HEAR song, good info from Eric Rainbolt, Alex Jones/Jeff Rense together, Bilderberg, 9-11 info, camps
5 - Global Elite - Exposing the New World Order, Freemasons, Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, Carlyle Group, CFR, Dyncorp
6 - Liberty Think - Very good site, 9-11 Info, News Stories, Forum, Links, "We unconditionally support the Constitution & the Bill of Rights"
7 - BigEye Alt-News Center - Lots of info on 9-11 attacks, Patriot Act, Waco, Federal Reserve, Links to Free Media Sites
8 - 9-11 Timeline - Very good timeline presentation, links to 9-11 facts, very thought-provoking info, well-organized
9 - American Patriot Friends Network - Huge site with TONS of info on 911, Okla. City bombing, many government cover-ups
10 - Assassination Science - Scientific research into Wellstone assassination, JFK, 9-11, Top Ten Conspiracies, Disinformation, Terrorism
11 - OilEmpire.us - Election Coups, 9-11, Fascism, Oil Peak, Political Assassinations, American 'Reichstag Fire', Bush Family Values
12 - Freedom Files - Huge collection of Facts, 9-11 info, Illuminati, NWO, Iraq, Hidden Technology, Audio & Video, Archives
13 - 9/11 List - By Gerard Holmgren, Long list of facts and links to their origins, very good info on the 9/11 WTC attacks & timeline
14 - TV News Lies - Unreported News, Great Site!, 9-11 Facts, Cheney Secrets, News Links, Web Links, Bush Lies, READ 'The Plan', Chat
15 - Top Ten Pieces of 9-11 Evidence - By Frank Levi in September 2002, Major Facts about the 9-11 WTC attacks, from the-movement.com
16 - Worldwide Renaissance - Working for Social Justice, World Peace & Protecting our Environment, 9-11 Info, News, Articles, Great Links
17 - The Elite Serial Killers - Audio & Video files, Tex Marrs on 'Political Assassins', Books, Conspiracy Newsletter, Globalization
18 - The Revelation @ TheForbiddenKnowledge.com - New World Order, Freemasonry, Tesla, Mind Controlled Human Beings
19 - The Seventh Fire - A prophecy of the Ojibwe, Politics & Society Page, Info on 9-11, New World Order, ID's of the Miami/Dade 'Mob'
20 - TheMemoryHole.org - Updated several times weekly, News, Exists to preserve & spread material that is hard to find, 9-11 info, Iraq
(snip)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. OK, but just to be clear...

...you're saying it's OK to use text from right-wing hatemongers if it supports your point.

[nolabels]

30. Not really just information they might have which can be cross checked

with others to draw up better conclusions on the situations at hand. I have a few those kind of followers at my job that I have to work with. Most of the time I find their reasoning to be sound. Mostly I do notice some of their (but not all)sources of information and media outlets they have set up to be suspect. A lot of their leaders seem to thrive on hate, ignorance and rhetoric but a good portion of the people themselves are just them proverbial lambs that have been il-informed

[Solly Mack]

5. Think about how Bush compares himself to FDR

while at the same time trying to bring the image/memory of FDR down....

Shrub needs a "world war" ...or at least the perception of a world war to aid in his goal...

[doublethink]

7. He attributed that comment to Osoma ......

and I haven't had time to verify if Osoma ever said that. But it was a strange thing to say by * last night, especially when he went on to name terrorists from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, bla bla bla infiltrating Iraq ... bla bla bla .... Is he going to invade all those countries? That could constitute a Third World War. Personally I'd like to try him on War Crimes for what he's already done before he has a chance to take it that far. Peace. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Your answer is... yes, he is gonna invade all them countries

again read PNAC

[doublethink]

19. I don't wanna don't wanna don't wanna .... read PNAC again .....

:grr: but wanna stop him before we get to they're next chapter in real life. :) ..... anyway .... yea * statement was odd, vague, but I think he in some way is proud to 'bring it on' .... the Third World War, and no I don't think he is capable of understanding the concept of 'The Third World' ..... just as he has the problem of understanding that Africa is a Continent and not a Country. So in his simple mind I do believe he was referring to a Third World War. Unfortunately. Peace. :)

[uppityperson]

13. Here's the part of transcript, sounded different speaking (right)

Some wonder whether Iraq is a central front in the war on terror. Among the terrorists, there is no debate. Hear the words of Osama Bin Laden: "This Third World War is raging" in Iraq. "The whole world is watching this war." He says it will end in "victory and glory or misery and humiliation."

He seems to be saying Osama said this and that, but in the speech it sounded like:
hear the words of obl. this 3rdworld war is raging in iraq. the whole world is watching this war. he (meaning obl) says it will end in victory and glory or misery and humiliation.

Meaning OBL said the war in the 3rd world would end positively or negatively, which is true. Does this mean gwb is agreeing with obl and we need to avoid the war in the 3rdworld ending negatively? (again, not debating whether or not gwb has any grounding in reality, just trying to figure out what this part of his speech meant, as he engages in half-truths and bushlies commenly known as bushisms to say 1 thing and mean another)

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. Either way, he was putting up OBL and saying "BOO!!!"

...and thinking, 'Gotcha!'

Has anyone checked to see what the context of the OBL quote was in?

[uppityperson]

17. quote above, #13 post by me.

Reads 1 way, heard another. typical bushlie, don't know wtf he meant, could be either, could be used for either. Any ideas?

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. Hard to tell

I saw that you had quoted Bush's speech, thanks. :) I was wondering which of bin Laden's 'speeches' Bush excerpted it from. For all I know, Bush was pulling a few snippets of various statements from OBL out of his ass and mixing them together for a plate full of Bushit.

I don't doubt, OBL said the words, but OBL has yet to speak anything but fairly extended remarks/statements of demands.

[uppityperson]

23. I don't think it's a particular OBL quote, just paraphrasing

it is hard to tell though. Hearing it and reading it give me 2 different images. And it is true, any war will end in "victory and glory or misery and humiliation." Or usually both.

So, WWIII or war in the thirdworld?

[GarySeven]

10. Besides, to be accurate we're really at about WW V or VI by now

Don't forget the wars of Austrian Succession, the Napoleonic wars and others ...

[orwell]

11. War Without End

It doesn't matter. What all despotic statists seek to do is instill a reason for the authoritarian state to exist.

The main lifeblood of the state is War. It is its reason for existence. They must instill fear in you so you will die without question. The fear must be widespread to encourage the crowd to hector you into subservience against your natural inclination to live in peace.

To do this they use symbols of the state such as "the flag", "patriotism", "our soldiers", and the like to disguise the real awful truth about war. By and large poor uneducated people die and rich elites profit financially. Of course, if you mention this obvious fact you are a "subversive", anti-(fill in the blank country) "traitor."

In other words, war is never about "truth" or "justice." It is always a failure of reason over fear. The words don't matter. What is important is that you are afraid, and only "big daddy" can help.

So be afraid...be very afraid.

[nolabels]

24. I disagree only in the part that they "seek"

Mostly I would say they are industriously at work to manufacture their reason for being them despotic statists in that authoritarian state.

That part is now well documented and plainly in front of our face. These evil people have been out planned this time though. Many people have been several steps ahead of them for quite some time now. Taking the OFFENSIVE to them is the next move

[uppityperson]

25. I agree that "boo" is the biggest message, but words do matter.

Is he talking about going to war in a third world country, or going to war at World War III? Mr.bush continually does bushlies, also disguised as bushisms, where he seems to say one thing and actually is saying another. I am wondering if this is one of those times as it can change the argument. And I do not necessarily believe it is "only" WWIII, as war seems to be a continuous state around the world, but wondering which way it was meant. thanks.

[Cleita]

12. A big slip of the tongue there. I could see all his handlers

handing the shots of Maalox around saying, "Can't this fucker get anything right?"

[cynatnite]

14. another shrub tactic to rile the people

"Some wonder whether Iraq is a central front in the war on terror. Among the terrorists, there is no debate. Hear the words of Osama Bin Laden: "This Third World War is raging" in Iraq. "The whole world is watching this war." He says it will end in "victory and glory or misery and humiliation.""

This is what OBL said after we invaded.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. It almost sounds like another "Bring 'em On!" call. n/t

[cynatnite]

18. bush calls the bad guys out and then recruits for more warm bodies

how fucked up is that? :freak:

[leveymg]

16. Isn't this really part of World War Four?

There are those who see the numerous wars that made up the Cold War as World War Three (1947-1990).

Shouldn't we call the first and second Gulf wars, and the brewing hostilities in the Middle East part of World War Four (1991-?)?

Hasn't the US continuously been in a global war, however you want to slice it, for more than six decades?

BushCo seems to want to guarantee the good times roll for another sixty years.

[wurzel]

22. George Napoleon Bush. eom

[rodeodance]

29. 1st is Afgan, 2nd is Iraq and 3rd is the war on terror (the WORLD war)

[Disturbed]

31. I don't believe that shrub writes his own speeches.

He usually can't even read the telepromter correctly.

This man is a puppet; a shallow, brain damaged, arrogant twit.