The DRAFT is coming! Prepare now! The Draft Counselor is IN

[Dems Will Win]

As many of you know, I predicted the DRAFT for 2005. We now have the generals saying troop strength is too thin, recruitment is too low, and that we cannot make all the rotations without further stop-loss. Expect in the next 2 months the runup to the Iran invasion. We already have Special Ops on the ground there and the neocon men are already whipping up a war on the the grounds that the new President was a hostage-taker and the Iranians are making a Bomb.

Bush with a DRAFT is the Roman Empire all over again. Everything up until now, including failure in Iraq, was pre-planned so that a DRAFT would be inevitable. In fact, they are hoping the Dems ask for it first! Then they will put millions under arms and take Central Asia and the Middle East oilfields.

The 402 to 2 vote on the Rangel bill was BS. Karl Rove has surveyed the GOP Congress and they said if Bush asked for it they will give him the DRAFT. We're not going to "Cut and Run" from Iraq, the GOP will say. Rove and Cheney will make them vote for it.

I know the Draft law and can answer questions for those of you who still need advice. They will call not only a combat draft but also a Skills and Medical Draft. Nurses, truck drivers, computer experts, musicians and actually anyone who can run a computer will be near the top of those lists.

THE DRAFT COUNSELOR IS IN. AND BOY (AND GIRL), YOU NEED ONE NOW.

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

[doublethink]

1. What do you know about an Underground to get them out of the Country?

My nephews not going for Bush's Oil wars. :hi:

[Dems Will Win]

4. You can leave the US but you are still DRAFTABLE

Canada will likely not be a haven this time. Like Vietnam, FBI comes to arrest you if you resist. Then you will have a choice of 7 years or enlisting...

Leave now is better, just remember to vote absentee...

Or make a case for Alternative Service, have nephew join Quakers or Mennonites TODAY!

[doublethink]

7. Hey thank's for the advice......

Peace. :)

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

44. A Canadian posted here the other day and said

if you are going to Canada, GO NOW! DO NOT wait until the Draft is reinstated because then you will be a fugitive and it will be more difficult to get in. You can go to Canada NOW, find some Quakers and they will help you. You can stay in Canada on a visa for only 6 months, but that will give you time to figure out your next move. Hope this helps. :)

[BMG]

54. Quakers? I would like to leave within 3 months in all honesty.

^ I am saving up a ton of money working 50 hours a week; maybe I can put it towards something useful. Where would I live? Work? School? Why should I leave for something I am not even sure is going to happen.

Its times like this I am glad to be Narccistic, I will survive in a hellish world much better than anyone else. I also know my enemy Bush a lot better because of this; since I think he too is Narccistic, I could see him reinatiating a draft to realize his ultimate goal.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. Yes. Quakers.

They are anti-war, peace loving people and will help you find a place to live, how find a job, how to hide, ect... how old are you? Are you talking University? Or High School? If you're talking College, I would concentrate on hiding FIRST. If you register somewhere, they will find you. OR, you could be a Conscientious Objector.

The Draft WILL happen. It's just a matter of when. DWW seems to think they will start drafting early next year.

[BMG]

73. I am 19; College student.

Sounds like me and Quakers have something in common.

If a draft is reinstated me and my mother have already devised getting me out of the country. You are saying I should leave now? I want more proof this impending draft is going to happen.

What is DWW?

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. Dems Will Win=DWW...the thread starter.

I'm sorry...

From what DWW says, the Draft WILL be reinstated by early next year. If you wait for proof, it could be too late...unless we have an Underground Railroad by then. The FIRST wind of it, leave the country! ASAP!

[Dems Will Win]

151. My name is Dems Will Win

Kind of like a clock that's stuck. It'll be right twice a day at least!

[trogdor]

141. I have a BS in computer science.

Graduated magna cum laude. I guess that means I'm fucked, huh?

[Dems Will Win]

153. Maybe. They pool ALL ages together in the Skills Draft

That means all computer network specialists in UNIX in one draft lottery pool from age 18 or 20 to age 34, male or female. If they need 2,000 programmers, they go through the lottery numbers from 1 to whatever until they reach their goal for that year.

HOWEVER - they do make individual decisions on who they take out of the pool and the more senior and accomplished people will likely go first-NOT someone straight out of school.

The nerve-wracking thing will be there will be a draft for every year for different skills and they will have an annual lottery. There are several hundred skills, including latrine orderly (now called basic hygiene equipment operator)--who doesn't qualify for that??

See below for list of Marine non-combat jobs that will be subject to Skills Draft:

U.S. Marine Corps MOS Listing
Personnel & Administration: Occupational Field 01
Specialty School Location
Administrative Clerk Camp Lejeune, NC
Unit Diary Clerk Camp Lejeune, NC
Personnel Clerk Camp Lejeune, NC
Postal Clerk Camp Lejeune, NC


Intelligence: Occupational Field 02
Specialty School Location
Intelligence Specialist Dam Neck, VA


Logistics: Occupational Field 04
Specialty School Location
Logistics/Embarkation Specialist Coronado, CA & Little Creek, VA
Maintenance Management Specialist Little Creek, VA
Air Delivery Specialist Ft. Benning, GA
Landing Support Specialist Camp Lejeune, NC


Utilities: Occupational Field 11
Specialty School Location
Refrigeration Mechanic Aberdeen, MD
Basic Hygiene Equipment Operator Camp Lejeune, NC
Basic Electrician Camp Lejeune, NC
Electrical Equipment Repair Specialist Camp Lejeune, NC
Fabric Repair Specialist Ft. Lee, VA


Engineer, Construction, Equipment & Shore Party: Occupational Field 13
Specialty School Location
Basic Combat Engineer Camp Lejeune, NC
Engineer Equipment Mechanic Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
Basic Metal Worker Aberdeen, MD
Engineer Equipment Operator Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
Engineer Assistant Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
Bulk Field Specialist Ft. Lee, VA


Printing & Reproduction: Occupational Field 15
Specialty School Location
Lithographer Ft. Belvoir, VA


Ordnance: Occupational Field 21
Specialty School Location
Machinist Aberdeen, MD
Assault Amphibian Repairman Camp Pendleton, CA
Main Battle Tank Repairman Ft. Knox, KY
Small Arms Repair Aberdeen, MD
Electro-Optical Instrument Repair Aberdeen, MD
Light Armored Vehicle Repair Aberdeen, MD
Towed Artillery System Aberdeen, MD


Ammunition & Explosives Ordnance Disposal: Occupational Field 23
Specialty School Location
Ammunition Technician Redstone Arsenal, AL


Operational Communications: Occupational Field 23
Specialty School Location
ULCS Operational Maintainer 29 Palms, CA
Field Radio Operator 29 Palms, CA
Communications Center Operator 29 Palms, CA
Construction Wireman 29 Palms, CA
Ground MOB For SATCOM Terminal Operator 29 Palms, CA
High Frequency Communications central Operator 29 Palms, CA
Multi-Channel Equipment Operator 29 Palms, CA
Field Wireman 29 Palms, CA
Fleet SATCOM Terminal Operator 29 Palms, CA


Signal Intelligence/Ground Electronic Warefare: Occupational Field 26
Specialty School Location
Basic Electronic Intelligence Operational Analysis Pensacola, FL


Data/Communications Maintenance: Occupational Field 28
Specialty School Location
Ground Radar Repair 29 Palms, CA
Radio Technician 29 Palms, CA
Telephone Technician 29 Palms, CA
Cable Systems Technician 29 Palms, CA
PC Tact Office Machine Technician 29 Palms, CA
Electronic Switching Equipment Technician 29 Palms, CA
Multi Channel Equipment repair 29 Palms, CA
Test Measures/Diagnostic Equipment Repair Albany, GA
Communications Security Equipment Repair 29 Palms, CA
Artillery Electronic Systems Repair 29 Palms, CA
Counter Mortar Radar Repair 29 Palms, CA


Supply Administrations & Operations: Occupational Field 30
Specialty School Location
Supply Administrations & Operations Clerk Camp Lejeune, NC
Basic Packing Specialist Albany, NY
Warehouse Clerk Barstow, CA & Albany, GA


Transportation: Occupational Field 31
Specialty School Location
Traffic Management Specialist Ft. Eustis, VA


Food Service: Occupational Field 33
Specialty School Location
Basic Food Service Specialist Ft. Lee, VA
Subsistence Supply Clerk Ft. Lee, VA


Auditing, Finance & Accounting: Occupational Field 34
Specialty School Location
Disbursing Technician Camp Lejeune, NC
Fiscal Budget Technician Camp Lejeune, NC


Motor Transport: Occupational Field 35
Specialty School Location
Automotive Organizational Maintenance Camp Lejeune, NC
Logistics Vehicle Operator Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
Body Repair Mechanic Aberdeen, MD
Motor Vehicle Operator Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
Vehicle Recovery Operator Ft. Leonard Wood, MO


Data Systems: Occupational Field 40
Specialty School Location
ADA Programing Quantico, VA
Small Computer Systems Specialist Quantico, VA


Public Affairs: Occupational Field 43
Specialty School Location
Combat Correspondent Ft. Meade, MD


Legal Services: Occupational Field 44
Specialty School Location
Legal Services Specialist Camp Lejeune, NC


Training & Audio-Visual Support: Occupational Field 46
Specialty School Location
Combat Visual Information Equipment Specialist Pensacola, FL
Graphics Specialist Ft. Meade, MD
Combat Photographic Specialist Pensacola, FL
Combat/Motion Media Specialist Pensacola, FL


Band: Occupational Field 55
Specialty School Location
Drum & Bugle Corps Washington, DC
Music, Basic Little Creek, VA
Music, Intermediate Little Creek, VA
Music, Assistant Bandleader Little Creek, VA


Nuclear, Biological & chemical (NBC): Occupational Field 57
Specialty School Location
NBC Defense Specialist Ft. Leonard Wood, MO


Military Police & Corrections: Occupational Field 58
Specialty School Location
Law Enforcement (Military Police) Ft. Leonard Wood, MO


Electronics Maintenance: Occupational Field 59
Specialty School Location
Aviation Radio Repairer 29 Palms, CA
Tactical Air Operations Central Technician 29 Palms, CA
Tactical Data Communications Central Technician 29 Palms, CA
Tactical Air Command Central Repairer 29 Palms, CA
Tactical Data Communications Central Repairer 29 Palms, CA
Aviation Radar Repairer 29 Palms, CA
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Navigational Aids Technician Pensacola, FL
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Communications Technician Pensacola, FL
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Radar Technician Millington, TN
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Navigational Aids Repair Millington, TN
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Radar Repairer Millington, TN
Marine Air Traffic Control Unit Communications Repairer Millington, TN
Data Systems Technician Mare Island, CA
Tactical General Purpose Computer 29 Palms, CA
SUR AIR Defense Systems Acquisition Technician Redstone Arsenal, AL
SUR AIR Defense Systems Fire Control Technician Redstone Arsenal, AL


Aircraft Maintenance: Occupational Field 60/61
Specialty School Location
Aviation Maintenance Administration Meridian, MS
Aviation Safety Equipment Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Marine Cryogenics Equipment Operators Cherry Point, NC
Aircraft Mechanic KC-130 Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Mechanic F/A-18 Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Power Plants Mechanic Pensacola, FL
KC-130 Aircraft Flight Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Hydraulic Airframe Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Structure Airframe Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Flight Equipment Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Maintenance GSE M/R Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Intermediate Level Structure Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Intermediate Level hydraulic/Pneumatic Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Helicopter Mechanic New River, NC & Camp Pendleton, CA
Helicopter Power Plant Mechanical Technician Pensacola, FL
Helicopter Power Plant Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Helicopter Dynamic Comp Mechanic New River, NC
Helicopter Hydraulic/Pneumatic Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Helicopter Structure Mechanic Pensacola, FL
Helicopter Structure Mechanic U/AH Pensacola, FL
CH-46 Crew Chief Pensacola, FL
CH-53 Crew Chief Pensacola, FL
UH-1N Crew Chief Pensacola, FL


Avionics: Occupational Field 63/64
Specialty School Location
A/C Comm/Nav Radar Systems Pensacola, FL
A/C Comm/Nav/Wpns Systems Pensacola, FL
A/C Comm/Nav/Wpns Pensacola, FL
A/C Comm/Nav Electronics Pensacola, FL
A/C Elec Sys Tech KC Pensacola, FL
A/C Elec/Sys Tech F Pensacola, FL
A/C EleCntrmrs Systems Pensacola, FL
A/C Comm/Nav Sys Technician Pensacola, FL
A/C Nav Sys Tech IFF Pensacola, FL
Aviation Elec Micro-Miniature Pensacola, FL
A/C Elec/Inst Flight Counter Pensacola, FL
A/CFlt Tech Helo/OV Pensacola, FL
Aviation Test Set Tech IMA Pensacola, FL
Radar Test Stat/Rad Pensacola, FL
A/C Internal Nav Systems Pensacola, FL
Hybrid Test Set Technician Pensacola, FL
A/C Fwd Looking Rad Pensacola, FL
Consol Auto Sup Systems Pensacola, FL
A/C Elec Equipment Tester Pensacola, FL
A/C Elec Counter Systems Pensacola, FL
Aviation Precision Measurement Albany, GA
Aviation Meteorological Electronics Pensacola, FL
Computer Sys Tech DP Great Lakes, GA


Aviation Ordnance: Occupational Field 65
Specialty School Location
Aviation Ordnance Ammo Technician Pensacola, FL
Aviation Ordnance Equipment Repairman Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Ordnance Technician Pensacola, FL


Aviation Supply: Occupational Field 66
Specialty School Location
Aviation Supply Clerk Meridian, MS
Auto Information Systems Computer Operator Meridian, MS


Weather Service: Occupational Field 68
Specialty School Location
Weather Observer Kessler AFB, MD


Airfield Services: Occupational Field 70
Specialty School Location
Aviation Operations Specialist Meridian, MS
Aircraft Recovery Specialist Pensacola, FL
Aircraft Firefighting/Rescue Goodfellow AFB, TX


Air Traffic Control/Air Control/Air Support/Anti-Air Warfare: Occupational Field 72
Specialty School Location
Air Control Electronics 29 Palms, CA
*Air Support Operations Operator 29 Palms, CA
Air Traffic Controller Pensacola, FL
HAWK Missile Systems Operator Ft. Bliss, TX
LAAD Gunner Ft. Bliss, TX

[Massacure]

146. You can jump from Canada to Mexico and then Mexico to Cuba.

There is no way in hell that Fidel Castro will hand you over. The American dollar goes a long way in Cuba too.

[Dems Will Win]

149. Cuba sounds like the new Canada to me

Salsa music! Old cars! It beats being blown to bits for oil....

[Clark2008]

165. Or just have your nephew pretend to be gay.

Can't have those "homo-sexshuals" infiltratin' our Merikan forces, now, can't we?

[Horse with no Name]

169. Personally I think the "new draft"

Will target the gay community.
Merikan peeple won't be in as big of an uproar if a few gays die.
I just don't see a happy ending this time.

[aden_nak]

2. I'm a 26 year old computer tech. Yarrrrrrr.

[Tux]

27. LOL

30 year old computer tech with a bad knee (ninjutsu accident), bad back (gf's kinky hijinks), and shortness of breath (smoking cloves). And my front teeth have some rot from coffee too high in acid. Slap tape on my glasses and I'd be a sure winner at the recruiters.

[aden_nak]

63. I'm going to snort handfuls of pollen before I go in before my board.

Allergies? Oh, no sir, I'm on my medication. When my allergies flare up, I'm MUCH worse than this. At least, that's what my three life partners say.

[fasttense]

3. Will they be drafting women??? n/t

[Dems Will Win]

9. For the Skills Draft and the Medical Draft

Up to ages 34 and 44 respectively. NO Medical Deferments or Childcare deferments. Nurses first.

NYT reported a plan for 36,000 Doctors and nurses in the first year. The Medical Draft is automatic if the combat draft is called.

[drm604]

16. I think that drafting women would be the last straw.

Drafting men would be bad enough, but if they start taking daughters their base will freak.

[HockeyMom]

21. Why they tried for that no women in combat zones bill

Draft.

[funflower]

102. All of Iraq and Afghanistan are combat zones.

[HockeyMom]

116. Exactly

THE point.

[Dems Will Win]

26. Not for combat - BUT a woman could end up in a combat area.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

159. ummm

apart from the whole illegal war mess... why shouldn't women in the army serve in combat zones? it's military after all. Strikes me as sexist

[im10ashus]

5. I saw the Army has surpassed their quota this month.

Is that true? A draft will wake America the hell up, IMHO!

[Throckmorton]

10. Yes, but June is their best month

All kinds of High School Grads that suddenly realize that they have no hope.

[stevedeshazer]

132. The Army toasted the numbers...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3988077

[leftchick]

140. well they won't release the actual numbers

so my guess is Gen. Myers lied again for the 1,268,579th time about troops and Iraq.

[fasttense]

164. They rolled up their DEP pool for the next three months to make goal.

They may have made it this month but the next three months they have very little to send to boot camp. Basically they took the kids who said yes, I will join but I will join in July, August and September, and asked them to go to boot camp early. So now the people they expected to send to boot camp in July, August and September are not there.

[Obamarama]

6. Do you know what age the medical drafts go up to? (n/t)

[Dems Will Win]

12. 44!

[PuraVidaDreamin]

8. I got my boys to go to the Unitarian Church w/me

over Memorial Day, The ministers entire talk was
about How one feels about war and considering CO status.

The boys, 18, 22 actually enjoyed it, minister very good
at what he does. Afterwards, speaking with them he gave them his
phone #, and wants the boys to make an appoint.w/him.

THIS is where I run into trouble. Despite all my frequent reminders to do so, I get the "yeah, yeah, we'll do it"

I'm thinking of inviting the minister over for a cookout, where perhaps he could spend time with the boys then. Do you think in the realm of how obtaining CO status works, that this is considered
okay?

[Dems Will Win]

They need to document their active participation

Dinner talk will not do it

[funflower]

155. Are the UU's a "peace church"?

I thought it was just the Quakers and the Mennonites.

Any others?

[KansDem]

11. Why are they drafting musicians?

Nurses, truck drivers, computer experts, musicians and actually anyone who can run a computer will be near the top of those lists.

[dogday]

14. Someone has to blow taps

as sad as it is, they need more horn players....

[Dems Will Win]

18. That's right but it's for the WW II and Korean vets mostly

There's millions of them and they all get music at their funerals. If you are a bass, keyboard or horn player watch out. Do NOT declare musician on your IRS 1040...

[drm604]

22. They use recordings at military funerals now (at least sometimes).

That's what they did for my father. There were 2 soldiers there but I guess neither one could play. They put the CD/Tape (I'm not sure which) player behind a tombstone so it wasn't obvious, but of course it was obvious that there was no one playing an actual bugle.

On Edit: I should add that my father was in during the Korean war and passed away recently from natural causes. I'm not sure what they do for actual combat related deaths. They may use a real bugle player for those.

[Dems Will Win]

29. Yes but the vets are pissed over that

and are demanding the required 4 musicians...

[GreenPartyVoter]

37. We managed to get a bugle player and teh full colorguard for my

grandfather's funeral this week. But all the VFWers were ancient too, except for one younger fellow.

[Chan790]

17. Propaganda value

They leaned heavily on actors, musicians and directors to this end during WWII. For an example see "Why We Fight" by Frank Capra.

[Goldmund]

24. Oh geeze

My degree is in music composition, and I'll soon be going to grad school for composition.

I make my living as a computer programmer.

I'm 30.

[Dems Will Win]

30. Just be real SLOOOOOOOW registering

when they call the Skills Draft. If they haven't found you by age 35, you're home-free!!

[H2O Man]

13. Yep.

I agree with you. We're heading in that direction.

[Dems Will Win]

15. H20 MAN! HOW BE YA?

[H2O Man]

19. Perfect, my friend.

And yourself? How is the new position going?

I have used the issue paper you sent me last year frequently!

[Dems Will Win]

25. Great! Glad to hear you still plugging along!

By the way, looks like Plame case will blow soon, so we'll have the DRAFT and the Plame Case as anchors to keep the GOP on the bottom! And the Abu Ghraib photos and videos come out soon.

Second-term jinx working like a charm so far!

[H2O Man]

43. The cycle is spinning

faster and faster. It's a good thing some of us old-timers are attempting to slow things down, and make sense of events.

Keep up your good work!

[getmeouttahere]

20. Wow, for once my lack of advanced skills....

comes in handy! Of course, I'm also 39 and have already served in the military. But I will go to jail before I'll kill for BushCo. Or live illegally in another country

[Talismom]

110. That's how I feel too!

I'm yer typical NE, liberal who's never held a gun (or even wanted to). But let those thugs come after my kids and I'm gonna organize a chickenhawk hunt!!!

[Chan790]

23. Question

Would being on an FBI watch list be disqualifying? I'm pretty sure that I'm on some subversives list somewhere as a member of the ACLU, PFAW and about 60 other activist organizations who sends 30 or 40 action alert emails a week to Sen. Santorum. Also, my mother's family is from Syria and I'm a known rabble-rouser.

Theres no way they'd consider me, right? I'd think the odds are better I end up in the gulag but you never know.

[Dems Will Win]

36. They DRAFT everyone with a low number

50% are rejected in the combat draft for med and other deferments. An FBI record might get you out but it might not.

[Extend a Hand]

46. off

to the FEMA detention camps for you! :scared: :scared: :scared:

[DiverDave]

28. My ex-wife is a "doctors for bush" donor

and she will HAVE to go, as she was an air force doc.
Oh, and her kids are old enough to go too.
Altho her money will buy them all a pass, I suspect.

[Midnight Rambler]

31. Fuck that shit

I'd rather go to prison that fight *'s oil war.

[tamtam]

33. I'm a 28 year old woman

and a former airman. Would they sink so low as to draft someone like me? I have three small children and I have no medical experience.

[Dems Will Win]

38. If you are still in the Individual Ready Reserve

And your fine print says 8 years, as they all do--You could get a notice to report. Check and see if you are in the IRR.

They just called up 5600 IRRs. One-third did not report and so far they have not gone after them...

They will empty the IRR first to hold them over until the draftees are trained and shipped over.

Even a retired 69-year old IRR grandfather was recalled last year!

[tamtam]

59. Yup I'm still in the IRR.

It wasn't that long ago that I left the military. Oh well, I would rather leave this country than fight this illegal war. Thanks for the info, all this time I forgot about the IRR. If they are that desperate then we are in big trouble.

[Dems Will Win]

72. They ARE that desperate--and we ARE in trouble.

DO NOT answer the recall letter if it comes. Moving and taking another name is your only option then. RESIST!

[Ariana Celeste]

34. My mother in law said

that she believes that since my SO had asthma throughout his childhood that maybe he can get out with that? is that true?

I've also heard that anyone with a history of suicidal tendencies or activities would be left out, probably incorrect huh.

I have no skills, dropped out of HS and am so out of shape they could do nothing with me. But, my SO is a 22 year old man so he fits into the age bracket. I'm sure the gay excuse wouldn't work, he isn't gay but I know he'd try it. He has no skills either and also dropped out but I know that won't make a difference since he has a penis.

How can you fail their physical? Any Idea? Thanks for answering questions here!

[Dems Will Win]

41. Combat draft he might get out

But for the skills draft, there are NO Med Deferments and they will be drafting for everything from clerk to driver to latrine orderly. When they ask him to register for the Skills Draft (probably by the end of the year), be real SLOOOOOOW to register. Like about 12 years SLOW.

[Ariana Celeste]

45. well for a skills draft,

he doesnt have any sort of driving license for anything, and the only possible skill he might have is that he can drive forklifts and reach trucks. Ugh. I hate this shit. At least with a skills draft there's less of a chance of him being killed right? :(

[Dems Will Win]

62. Unfortunately truck driver in Iraq has one of the

highest casualty rates. THey have "mixed units" now, combat and non-combat--all in Iraq, where there are no fromt lines...

[goodboy]

35. What do they want with musicians, and why are musicians near the

top of the list?

[getmeouttahere]

49. Maybe drafting musicians has the added benefit...

in BushCo's sick mind(s), of destroying a large part of our culture.

[goodboy]

137. disdain for the arts....one of the 14 points of fascism...Hmm.

kinda makes you think.

[tamtam]

74. Maybe they are not drafting them for music

Rhandi Rhodes had a caller this week his son in in Iraq. The kid was a cook. Instead of cooking the military had him doing guard duty. I'm not sure if he was doing both jobs but I do know he wasn't just cooking.

[goodboy]

138. I don't doubt that they would be able to find a job for anyone, the OP

mentioned musicians specifically and that drew my attention./

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. How long will it take to implement it?

I'd like a time frame to give my friends whose kids are close to Draft age. Will they do a number lottery like they did during Viet Nam? If so, how long will it take to set the system up? OR has that already been done, IYO?

[Dems Will Win]

48. The SSS system is ready to go

They even ramped up the Alternative Service dept for COs this year. So they are very serious.

As soon as we invade Iran, which now looks like Sept to me. They have to DRAFT for the Spring Iraq 2006 rotation or there will be serious fragging in Iraq and no morale at all.

Boot camp reduced to 6 weeks and then 3 months training with your unit for combat.

Lottery YES, no school deferments, except divinity school so evangelists do not have to fight...

2-3 million drafted to take Asia, 80,000 docs and nurses per year to stitch them up, 200,000 to 300,000 per year in Skills Draft to help hold Asia.

[SlipperySlope]

40. Not until after the 2006 elections.

Maybe in 2007, when he realizes that he is out on his ass soon, and he can leave a mess for someone else to clean up. But not this year, and not before the mid-term elections.

[Initech]

42. I'm being optimistic - the draft will be the end of the Iraq War

You know, the draft did so WELL for Vietnam. Yeah, that's a good idea.

[im10ashus]

47. This rumor has been going around for over a year now.

What gives? More hysteria?

[Dems Will Win]

53. Not hysteria. Do the Math.

Not enough active duty troops to hold Iraq, Afghanistan and invade Iran, which would require 600,000 troops on the ground.

It's all about the oil, not a fantasy wonderland where the draft is not needed to conquer the Mideast and Central Asia--and that is clearly the hidden neocon agenda. Not even very hidden!

[Name removed]

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[pocket]

75. armed resistance

might be more effective from inside the military...

That's how a lot of the Iraqi freedom fighters are doing it. They get trained by the US then leave and fight for their own country.

[bunny planet]

87. 600k troops won't cut it with Iran. They've got two countries behind them,

CHINA and RUSSIA. Don't think any draft Bushco. comes up with is going to make a dent if Iran has those Allies. China has 1 billion people and they will not allow the US to steal Iran's oil. BTW, China also owns our country's debt.

[TX-RAT]

50. I don't believe we'll ever see another draft.

One thing we learned in Vietnam, " If a man doesn't want to fight don't make him".

[Name removed]

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[TX-RAT]

97. You can do better than that.

[Kraklen]

122. That implies...

the WH learned something from Vietnam. Evidence suggests they haven't.

[TX-RAT]

123. No it implies that those of us that served during that period.

And those that didn't, won't allow it to happen again.

[Kraklen]

125. Evidence points to the contrary.

You didn't stop the war from starting in the first place, why should I expect you (those of you who served during that period and those that didn't) to stop a draft.

What's that saying about never trusting anyone over thirty?

[TX-RAT]

133. You didn't stop the war from starting in the first place

Just how would that have been accomplished? I was 4 years old in 54.

What's that saying about never trusting anyone over thirty.
OK your going to have to explain that one?

[funflower]

156. The saying about never trusting anyone over thirty

is really stupid.

[jmm]

51. If there's a draft I doubt they'll come after me but

if they really want this 25 yr old woman I'll give the term war bride a whole new meaning. I've already had a few female friends propose if there's a draft.

[paparush]

52. Our Son is 10...

And I keep trying to convince my wife that the DRAFT is something we need to be thinking about! NOW!

Thanks for bringing this up.

[Dems Will Win]

55. It helps if they are a member of a peace group and participating before

the age of 16 or so. For CO status. Whe he is older BE SURE YOU "OPT-OUT" OF THE RECRUITER LIST, through your high school!

[Mutley]

56. Would a 26 year old female with a BA in English be in danger?

That will be my status by the end of this year.

[Dems Will Win]

66. Sounds pretty safe

Again, this for everyone: resist by registering real SLOOOOOOW. You will be supposed to register within 30 days at the Post Office when the Skills Draft is called (probably with the combat draft reinstatement). But there will be little enforcement of it at first so take advantage of that.

[Mutley]

69. How about 36 y/o male chef? With 1 1/2 years service in the Navy.

But he had a medical discharge because he is deaf in one ear. Thats my SO's status.

[nadinbrzezinski]

160. he did his time

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. EVERYONE!!! TELL THEM YOU'RE GAY!!!

If you are Draft age, just tell them you're gay. They're gonna be SHOCKED to find the majority of Draft age people are actually GAY! :7

You can still get out of the military if you're gay, right?

[rateyes]

67. I posted as you were posting...

great minds and all that. Still would like an answer to the question. I'm 45 (whew!), but have 3 daughters quickly coming of age.

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. My son is 12 years old

and if Rummy is right, we'll be in Iraq for 12 more years. If we invade Iran we'll be at war forever.

We're outta here!

My son already has orders to NEVER, EVER, EVER talk to recruiters, NEVER, EVER, EVER give his name, address, phone number to them and I have sent his school the opt-out form to stop the school from giving out his personal information under the NCLB act. AND he knows that if he's ever approached by a recruiter he is to tell them he's gay. :)

[rateyes]

83. Do girls need an "opt-out" form? And, if so..

where do I get one?

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. YES! Here's a link to the form.

http://www.militaryfreeschools.org/PDF/optout1.pdf :hi:

Give it to everyone you know who has school age children!

[rateyes]

114. Thanks! I iwll!!!!!!

[Dems Will Win]

136. Yes. It's so recruiters don't call

[Helga Scow Stern]

60. Would they be that stupid....?

That will be all that's needed for a revolution

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1897657&mesg_id=1897657

[Dems Will Win]

68. You'd think so

But they just come and arrest resisters one at a time. Like Vietnam.

[rateyes]

61. Will "outing" yourself as gay (even if you're not),

get you out of serving? You know, breaking the "don't ask, don't tell," thing?

[paula777]

113. It didn't help Klinger on MASH - they didn't believe him

[paparush]

65. We went to Quaker Meeting for Several Years When our Son was born..

I think its time we start going back. Get some documentation, etc...

I have no confidence that Rove & Co would even recognize CO status or Pacifist Religious Beliefs as a way to avoid becoming a meat shield.

[Dems Will Win]

76. Your draft board might recognize it

Rove doesn;t get a vote

[Chan790]

81. Draft Board

I always opposed the continued existence of the SSA so I convinced my friend Kim to join the Draft Review Board about a year ago after they rejected me for the position, knowing they wouldn't reject her because she's clean as a whistle and her mom had just retired from the Army after a life commitment.

It's going to be fun when they realize that she's an automatic exemption vote on every case because she's a pacifist leftist.

[naturalselection]

109. Is it still possible to apply for your

local draft board or is that passed now?
Does anybody know if we can still apply and if so, how do we do this?
I would like to try to get on this.
Thanks.

[Chan790]

124. It's a continually ongoing process

http://www.sss.gov/localboardmembers/bminquiry.asp

That's where you can request the info to apply. They screen the hell out of you before they consider you to make sure that you're not the sort of person who wants to join the board to raise havok, you're not a pacifist, you don't hold subversive opinions, not anti-war or anti-military, etc.

Kim only cleared because she was too lazy to get involved prior to that point with anything, despite her beliefs. Being a veteran or the child of a veteran helps too.

[Chan790]

127. Correction

You can't be a veteran anymore either.

[naturalselection]

131. Thanks.

[mopinko]

71. would enrolling in technical school

get you drafted? i know a dropout who would like to get back in school, but does not want to be noticed.

[Dems Will Win]

78. Depends what you register as

Or what's on your IRS form as an occupation.

[SeanQ]

77. It may not be the draft they want,

it may be they want to privatize the military. Make it 'truly professional'. International recruitment to lower impact on 'our youth'.

War for profit.

[FreedomAngel82]

80. I think there are three cases that could happen

1) You're right about the draft and it does come. I always thought it would come in a different way. Bush made a campaign promise that there would be no draft. I told people on another board I used to go to that there would be one but everybody thought I was lying etc and Bush wouldn't do that. Then he came out and did that whole "no draft" bit. So he'll do it either in a secret way and it'll be too late to find out or he'll do it with a new name.

2) They'll either way until after the 2006 midterms. If they come out now with a draft they will lose tons of seats in the house and senate. They can't have that now. A lot of them will probably steal seats though.

3) It won't happen. They'll just take troops away from Iraq and into Iran. I heard an interview Bernie Ward did a week or two ago with the guy who wrote the book "Losing Iraq" and he said they can't do it from the air because of how the program is built.

[paparush]

86. I'm going with option 3...

When those 160,000 Iraqi Security Forces are "Equipped and Trained" (wonder if they'll get body armor) then Bush_Rove pull US troops out of Iraq and point them toward the Iranian Border.

[Dems Will Win]

89. THere are not enough troops right now

to put down the IRaq insurgents, much less the 600,000 men needed to take Iran (4 times bigger and twice as populated as Iraq).

and that's no Fuzzy Math.

[progressoid]

82. I think they would drain the IRR first.

Something substantial will have to happen before the draft will be passed. It's political suicide this close to the 06 election season. KKKarl knows this. They would rather lose strategic ground in Iraq than lose political ground here at home.

[paparush]

84. Could the Draft Plans Coincide with the Relaxing of Regulations

Concering Illegal Aliens? If they are going to work, float Social Security, wouldn't Draft Elligibility make for the ultimate Repug Trifecta?

IE- If you are paying FICA, and are Service Age, then you are automatically elligible. They could throw the illegals a bone by saying "Get Drafted and you are now a citizen.."

Just wild, tin foil, ramblings to vent my fear and loathing....

[Timmy5835]

90. CALM THE FUCK DOWN

Unless you can get a majority of House members to vote to reinstate a draft, forget it. Remember, this is election time and they want to get re-elected.

[wildflower]

91. I don't understand this 'no medical deferments' thing...

How, for example, can people who are bedridden or with serious chronic illnesses, such that they can't lead a normal life possibly be drafted?

Even people with chronic conditions who work part-time or may be able to go shopping once in a while on a good day...if they have all these medications and other requirements, how could they make it in the army? Would they have access to all the medications, therapies, time to rest that they need? What if they can't walk? Etc.

There are so many possibilities for medical problems that would make it nearly impossible to serve in the military.

So I don't understand how they could declare no medical deferments, period.

(DUers with medical conditions, what do you think?)

-wildflower

[Dems Will Win]

92. THe usual Medical Deferments, flat feet, etc.

Full disability (being on SSI Disablity) will get you off the Skills or Medical Draft.

THe only other examption is "essential community service"...

[wildflower]

105. Thank you, DWW. n/t

[Daphne08]

93. Where did you hear this?

I have two sons in 20's and would like to know what proof you have to offer.

[Dems Will Win]

94. I am DU's resident DRAFT expert and well known on this board

The govt will never admit it is starting a draft of course. I actually received the secret Draft Agenda Memo, gotten through the FOI act. Here it is:

In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” after holding a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the very mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government.

Here is the FOI document itself:

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time, as reported:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 2004 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004. The Issue Paper options include:

- Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft.

- Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept. of Homeland Security and other agencies, especially high-paying professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

- Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration” of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed Forces Specialty Code. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

In the secret planning meeting document, the next steps strongly recommended by SSS Acting Director Brodsky were:

1. “Promptly” redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age 34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health Service and other agencies.

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with recommendation on this skills draft for the entire government.

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of the SSS.

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to 34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations Committee.

Don't forget the neo-con plan revealed in Wes Clark’s book Winning Modern Wars, in which Clark was told by a senior Pentagon official that invasions of Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Sudan and Somalia were planned and still to come over the next few years.

More: http://www.blatanttruth.org/draft.php

BUSH '04 = DRAFT '05

[Daphne08]

101. Thank you for the information.

Yes, I'm aware of the NeoConservatives.

Many mothers are probably going through the same thing now that I am... we lie awake at night and think of these 'evil warmongers' in our government.

I don't want their deadly, warped ideology to TOUCH my precious children, and I'm certain all mothers feel the same.

[nadinbrzezinski]

161. be ready to take to the streetrs EN MASSE

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

95. Define the parameters of CO status.

How does one "prove" this status? Is it religious-only affiliated? If so, within only a specific denomination? Lots of pacifist Catholic groups; Orthodox pacifists; Quakers; there may even be a Methodist group out there (not sure).

[Patiod]

134. One key thing to do is document CO status. Start a file

Put into it signed & dated statements by the person, any writings the person has done on the subject (school essays, Sunday School essays, etc.), photos of the person at peace protests or rallies, letters or certificates documenting their membership in a known pacifist sect such as the Quakers, Mennonites or Amish, or anything that will document an ongoing objection to war in general, not just a desire to get out of serving in Iraq. A letter from a priest or minister may help, if the person is not a member of a religion which is generally pacifist.

(Note: this will only exempt them from combat, but not from some form of alternative service, which is as it should be, in my opinion.)

If they chose to register with Selective Service (in order to remain eligible for college loans) they should write in, on the bottom of the form "Conscientious Objector". There is NO FORMAL SPACE FOR THIS on the form - they have to write it in on the white space.

Our Clerk held a seminar for the young people in our Quaker Meeting so they could start files for themselves.

Books/printed material about documenting CO status are available at www.FCGquaker.org. There are phone numbers on the web site - feel free to call there and ask questions about establishing CO status. The Quakers DO NOT proselytize, so they won't try to convert you! (maybe one reason there are so few of us)

[converted_democrat]

96. This scares the hell out of me..............

I'm 26 and I have 2 sisters. One is 24 and the other is 22. One is a college dropout the other is finishing law school, and I'm a mom and wife. Should I be worried, and if so, what should I do?

[nadinbrzezinski]

162. START CO files now

also you should be worried, your sister who is the lawyer, they need lawyers, for JAG... college drop out, they need clercks

You ... you should also be worried, but you are not prime candidate at least not in the firset round, your sister who is a lawyer, on the other hand, could be

[dooner]

98. what about dual citizenship?

would that help my kid avoid the problem? (Irish citizenship is pretty easy to document, my Dad was born there.) Is it worth the effort to have this as a possible way out?

I think I just answered my own question... duh.... YES!

[Yavin4]

99. I Never Thought That I Would Be Happy Turning 41!

Woo-Hooo. I can't go. I'm too old. Wooo-Hooo!

[one_true_leroy]

100. i'm afraid to ask....

29 yo male, emt cert, but no experience. perfect physical, regular runner, two college degrees, high language faculties. molecular biologist. perfect asvab score. single, no dependents.

should i learn swedish? ;)

seriously, should i enlist before darfting? cuz i can hear them knocking soon. my bro's there, but i've NEVER believed in this war.

[in_cog_ni_to]

103. Enlist??? WHY would you enlist??

NO way should you sacrifice your life for the LIES of this administration! PLEASE don't enlist!

[one_true_leroy]

104. so that i have a choice....

i could go navy, instead of front line combat medic. i would have no problem with helping, i just don't want to put into a position where i would have to kill.

[converted_democrat]

107. My father in law tried the something when he enlisted in the Marines.....

He said that he thought he would be safer as a medic, but they would intentionally try to shoot medics, so the medics could not save others. If they took a medic out than that meant the medic could not save anyone = more kills overall.

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Start yuor CO file now

and if you want to help instead of kill, AF, they also need medics, and you will be used to medevac people. Front line duty as a medic... care me to tell you how many times I got shot?

As they say, them are nice targetting aids...

[radar]

115. You could check the Coast Guard or Merchant Marine...

As an alternative...?

United States Coast Guard (USCG)
http://www.uscg.mil/USCG.shtm
Coast Guard Recruiting
http://www.gocoastguard.com/

MERCHANT MARINE INFO
http://www.pacifier.com/~rboggs/INFO.HTML
United States Merchant Marine Academy
http://www.usmma.edu/
History of US Merchant Marine
http://www.usmm.org/

[bikebloke]

135. Maybe not the Merchant Marine

My father was in the Merchant Marine back in the 50's before I existed. When his ship came in, the draft folk were waiting for him at the dock. It didn't help that while he was at sea, his brother and brother-in-law had fun filling out his draft registration forms.

[radar]

168. Yeah, it didn't help Woody Guthrie in WWII either...

Guthrie, Woodrow Wilson "Woody" (1912-1967) American folk singer. In 1943, he joined the Merchant Marine; over the next eleven months he was torpedoed twice and took part in three invasions. On May 8, 1945 (V-E Day), Guthrie was drafted into the US Army, where he served for eight months until he was given a dependency discharge.

However, Saul Bellow & Jimmy Dean got through WWII okay, in that branch.

Bellow, Saul (1915-2005) Pullitzer Prize-winning author served in the merchant marine during WWII, where he worked on his 1st published novel Dangling Man (1944).

Dean, Jimmy (1928- ) Country-and-western singer who served in the Merchant Marine toward the end of WWII.

World War II Super Facts
by Don McCombs and Fred L. Worth
Warner Books Edition March 1983

[DURHAM D]

106. They will probably start by drafting 18-20 year olds. Then 21-22.

And so on. You probably won't be drafted - unless for special skills. A friend on mine (father on the draft board) said they will probably be giving deferments for men with children.

[one_true_leroy]

108. hhhhmmmmm.....

so i should start breeding, eh?

the irony is that my dad's been trying to get me to mate for years.

does an emt-intermediate (current nremt cert and ga hhs licence) count under the medical draft?

[nadinbrzezinski]

163. YES and start getting aquianted with the

Geneva Convention...

[naturalselection]

111. Is it still possible to apply for your local draft board?

If so, how does one go about doing it?
Thanks.

[Chan790]

128. I just posted this above to a prior request.

http://www.sss.gov/localboardmembers/bminquiry.asp

[Dems Will Win]

130. go to sss.gov and the search function

[LSK]

117. I dont think Iran invasion is politically possible right now

There are too many questions about reasons to go into Iraq and this would include members in Congress.

2 years ago most of the country was convinced Saddam was about to nuke us or something, that same thought process does not exist in regards to Iran.

[toymachines]

118. help me out here.

i am a 19 year old college student. my uncle dodged the draft by starving himself below acceptable levels. i am possibly thinner than he was, 6foot 3in and about 140lbs. what is the cut off weight, or what is your best suggestion for what to do at this point? will such a strategy work?

[BMG]

119. I had one, but it was deleted.

You have 3 options; since a theoretical next draft is going to cut out a lot of the slack from the last one, they wont care if you are gay, what religion you choose to beleive in, how you look, etc. It wont matter. I find it funny the mods deleted my post when it is probably the likely best course of action in the situation of a large draft.

1. Run, hide, or fight those who come after you.
2. Go and die in Syria, Iran or Iraq.
3. Drop everything with your life right now, leave the country and go somewhere safe, not likely, because at this point nobody really knows. You want something to worry about? Worry about China, they appear to be gearing up for an all out war with somebody.

[nadinbrzezinski]

126. Sttart your CO file now

contact the quakers ASAP, and start the work you need to do to make you very unaplatable to the services

[stevietheman]

120. Simple response to a draft

At the induction, claim you're gay and tell them "I can't wait to get in the showers with the boys." How can they prove you're not gay?

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. at thsi point you have a pulse they won't care

[blm]

121. Bless you, Dems Will Win. You really called this one long ago.

.

[BPD2258]

139. Weren't we supposed to have the draft on June 15, 2005?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1781722

Why should we believe anything has changed?

[Dems Will Win]

142. That's the first day it was possible with the

ramped up SSS system. The PResidential Directive to invade Iran was signed in January and set for June. Then Ritter and Hersh are saying the Iranian invasion was set back to August or the Fall. They will IMHO call the draft using Iran as the reason at that time.

This will still allow them to get draftees in for the 2006 Iraq rotation and to reinforce the Iranian theater.

[Dems Will Win]

144. I was a few months off on the Iraq invasion

because they kep moving it back a couple of months, then another couple of months.

But it happened.

[LuCifer]

143. Here's what I used to do...

...to my local asshole recruiter (sorry to be redundant):

I would act gay when they called. "OH HI BIG BOY! I LOVE A MAN IN UNIFORM FRISCO! CAN I TOUCH YOUR GUN AND MAKE IT SHOOT! HUUUGAAA!"
Also, I made sure to tell them I was registering to vote and joining the COMMUNIST PARTY OF AMERICA! Or some crap like that. I also mentioned that I needed to go so I could get back to burning flags! The reaction was priceless!
Then I would burp or fart really loud into the phone.
Also, like telemarketers, I would keep them on the line for as long as possible, so they would waste time with me and hopefully they'd end up calling less people and stuff.
If they do bring back the draft, go in to the recruiter office hung over. They'll love that I'm sure! Also get a chocolate candy bar, smear some on your face by your mouth. Tell them you are a coprophile. Of course the jar-head will ask what a coprophile is, and that of course is someone who has a shit-eating fetish!!!!!!

I don't know if any of this will help, but it can't hurt to try.

Lu

[SmileyBoy]

145. I have Aspberger's Syndrome, Tourette's Syndrome and depression...

I also have ADHD. I was also a Special Education student in grade school through high school, in that I had an IEP (Individual Education Plan). Will they still want to draft me with all those mental ailments I have??

I'm 22, going on 23 in September, BTW.

[Dems Will Win]

147. You're in luck!

at 23 too old for a combat draft--they already have enough men in the 20 to 21-year old cohort, and they go first.

And with your difficulties you could get out of the Skills Draft. (They would choose others with your skills over you).

Save all documentation of your condition!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

157. PERFECT Line Infantry material

yuo have a pulse right?

[Bread and Circus]

148. If I get drafted I am gonna give my mom a good smack on the head

and say nice going dingbat! I love the woman dearly but no matter how hard I try I can't get her to say 2 negative words about der Fuhrer Bush.

Maybe if she sees my sorry ass drafted she will see the light.

[Freedomfried]

150. Two words, Urinalysis testing!

This will be the first time for the draft since mandatory urinalysis testing started in the 70‘s.

See, marijuana can save your life!

Smoke em’ if ya got em!

[Swamp Rat]

152. That's right!

Here's what they need to know:

1. You are insane.

2. You smoke pot all day, drink, whatever.

3. You HATE authority!

4. You have orgies with____________.

5. You are Jesus Christ (see No. 1)

... feel free to add to the list. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

158. They have been ignoring this with reserve troops

good luck

[LightningFlash]

154. Not surprised.......

Lets move faster than them, and race to the finish line..

[dmr]

166. Kick for those who haven't read this thread, yet!

:kick:

This info is very important, so a kick for those who may not have read this thread yesterday.

Thank you, Dems Will Win, for your advice and direction given to my son and I. I found good and strong hope because of it. It is truly appreciated.

:hug:

[earth mom]

167. My nephews (early 20s) have asthma....

one almost died a couple of times, took steriods, etc. Would they draft either of them? Or just the one that wasn't as sick? I wasn't worried about them before because I thought their illnesses gave them an out, but now I am worried!!!