Why should I

[undergroundpanther]

I am transgender Bisexual a"freak"I identify as a cat person.,I was born a female..I am a heretic in every sense of the word,I think for myself,I have PSTD, and I am sick to death of bullies. In fact I despise them.And I hate authoritarians that demand my submission.

So tell me why I should
Believe in any religion or god that sez

I am an abomination,
says I should be killed,
says I should submit to any male I marry and submit to men in general.
says I should honor my father regardless of the fact he was an abusive rapist asshole.

says I should forgive those who hate me and want me dead,and on top of that NOT defend myself when they beat me up and just sit there as my human rights are taken away.

Why should I want to believe in a jealous vengeful control freak megalomaniac sociopath book god who demands my unquestioning unwavering obedience,slavery, my acceptance of whatever he does to make my life suck just because he made me, he owns me,even when he pulls crap to"test my faith" because of a bet with satan like he did to Job?

Why should I love a god that killed every living thing on EArth in a flood Tell why little kittens,baby birds,puppies, and little babies are wicked creatures and deserving of death by gods hand in a massive flood?



Why should I believe a god that is so UNCLEAR and contradictory about what it takes to be saved? Churches don't fracture over doctrines because they agree.

Why should I believe in a god that would condemn me to eternal suffering because of what EVE did? And why is one person's original sin blamed on EVERYONE forever..How is THIS justice?
Why should I love a god that has known everything from the beginning knows how everything will turn out yet STILL creates a Lucifer he knows will be proud and fall and be satan?

Why did god give this Earth to Satan to rule for a time? When do we know times up? Because some evil motherfuckers still rule here just like in rome.

Why should I love a god that would see fit to set me up to be persecuted for his own sake when he is all powerful and could change everything instantly and stop everyones suffering..but he does not?

Why should I love a god that curses me with the pain of childbirth menstruation etc?
Why should I love a god that can't admit he makes mistakes when he made me female?

Why should I trust this Jesus character who claims to be the prince of peace and love yet he comes bearing a sword riding on a white horse with a bloodstained robe..A sword that he says is to to separate brothers from fathers and mothers from daughters..while he is awaiting the slaughter of all slaughters..armegeddon..

What interest is it of mine to love a god that will kill off most of humanity and pick and choose only a few people he likes based on his whim ..deciding who to get to live in perpetual servitude in his heaven and who suffers forever? He's got the whole world in his hands and he wants to crush it and destroy it by fire.Why should I love this monster?


Why is this Christian god worth me obeying or even liking or respecting when it wants me dead if I don't believe in him or stop being trans or liking women I am designated to be tortured forever.?

Christ the morning star(lucifer is also called morning star in the bible too) Is an abomination because the bible tells me so.

And if you Christians think I OWE your religion respect,just remember your god said he wants me DEAD he calls me an abomination..It is CHRISTIANS who refuse to let gays marry and seek to take my HUMAN RIGHTS away.. I do not OWE respect ANYONE or any book or belief system that directs such hatred right to me. I don't care if my anger at your bible bullshit upsets you believers in your jesus of peace that comes with bloody vengeful knives that I see your god as a threat to my bodily and spiritual safety.

I didn't write that bible,people did, and they say that book is their god.They make a book of murderous inspiration holy . This makes Christianity itself a threat to me personally.

Because some christians really do KILL people like me while obeying that same god YOU liberal christians pray to.It's the SAME BIBLE.It inspires HATE.I do not respect ANY of you rationalizations about how an EVIL book is about a good god.God is not good he is a imaginary psychotic two faced murderer ruining peoples lives by proxy and history and the bible demonstrates this sickness over and over and people will not SEE the sickness is inspired by that book. and the promises of rewards and threats of punishments routinely instilled in KIDS by stupid selfish parent believers so they grow up confused and scared..... The threat of Christian theocracy is very real for me because YOUR god threatens me, and the believers in your god who see themselves as gods servants threaten me.Killing people like me for pleasing him is threatening ...Killing for jesus is still murder.And I do not respect any bullies abusers or murderers or the beliefs that excuse and inspire them..And the bible is one of their favorite excuses for a reason.

[blm]

1. I'm an atheist, but, if I were a REAL Christian, I'd say that God didn't

set that course against you. Men throughout history and all their innate hatreds and phobias set that course against you. They just use God as their cover.

[SomewhereOutThere424]

2. In my opinion

Anyone is entitled to their right to believe in their own way or do their own thing without being considered an abomination. The christian faith is against furries or those who identify with animals because of pagan beliefs, and it all ties back into the hatred of the pagan faith. Animals of course identifying more to that faith than to others (in a flawed viewpoint. I know it's possible to identify with animals with having nothing to do with it, just showing that's why they go after people of certain tastes more than others).

In truth, paganism was around long before christianity, so christianity became the big bully and its only form of sway was to convince the former was wrong. Eventually, they had claimed so many lost souls who were confused to begin with and made them insecure with thoughts of being unjust in the eyes of their god, and the premise of an eternal hell, they became bitter and subservant in thought. They didn't listen to anyone except who barked at them, and that's how christianity, in my opinion, gained its first gain as a major religion. Through total fear, insecurity, and making 'enemies' to the faith feel as if they're somehow stigmatized for not believing in it.

And from my personal viewpoint, it seems that you, who are not christian, UndergroundPanther, are or had been persecuted by christians who would like to make you believe that you're somehow stigmatized. So may I ask...when this topic turns into a flame war, just how many christians are going to apologize to her on the behalf of making her feel that way? Or is the entire post going to be seen as more bible attacking? Jesus preached, in the bible, that it's better to try to help people than to attack them.

It will be interesting to see how many christians live up to christian code, or go on the war path by bush's code. Also, UndergroundPanther, I hope that things do go better for you. It sounds like you'd been given a lot of crap for things you choose to live by or do by religious zealots, and although I'm no longer christian, at one time I was a part of the mesmerized bandwagon and gave people hell simply for what they believed in.

So atleast by me who at one time was affiliated with the christian faith, I'd like to say I'm sorry to you and anyone else who feels this way by the christian fanaticism and intollerance that caused those who are not a part of the group to suffer or feel rejected or just harassed because of who they are or what they want to be. Although I don't feel those ways anymore, that other things are wrong and I'd grown more tolerant, I'd atleast like to offer that.

Maybe it will get some others who are still a part of that faith to follow suit, god only knows that a little bit of jesus needs to go back into christianity, and seeing beyond words of anger to see someone who'd been treated like crap because of a faith and offering kindness instead of more hurtful words.

I think that it's time that christians started doing some apologizing FOR persecuting, not expecting apology for being persecuted. I apologize to christians on the behalf of who I now am because at times I get angry and say thing that are silly, foolish, or bluntly stupid. I think that it isn't a matter of only one side needing to apologize though.

[Bluerthanblue]

3. please...

.... think about this for a minute-

and believe me i DON'T hate you- nor do i believe God would or does hate you-

the bible is a book made entirely by human hands- as such, it is NOT something the 'creator of all that is' made- Why would a Power that could bring all things into being, need to 'use' men- (and it WAS exclusivly MEN) to express 'His' will among us-?

i do believe that some of what is written in the book are accounts of some who 'know' God- i do believe that Jesus was like NO other 'man'- and had a purpose, and a perspective that peeks out of the pages of the book, but is also perverted in its entirety-

Jesus NEVER advocated killing Undergroundpanther- and were He walking among us in the flesh right now, i firmly believe He would embrace you, and say to those who hide behind His name while committing acts of hatred and murder "get away from me- you never knew me"-

His fury and rage was reserved ONLY for those who professed God, and lived hatred, intollerance, and greed.

it's a book- and the worship it is given is idolitry and the opposite of the Lord i know, love, and am loved by- as are you- regardless of what anyone may say-

[ComerPerro]

4. I thought the post was more of an appeal to neoCon god

The one that Pat Robertson believes in.

But I could be wrong.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Seems like it to me

The God these people don't know in reality. They think they do. But all you have to do is look at what they talk about. Do you ever hear them qutoing from one of the gospel books (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)?

[shadowknows69]

10. well said Blue

n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

5. You don't have to believe

I believe God gave us freewill as he taught us in the Bible. People can choose to believe in him or not. Nobody is making you. I'm a Christian because I believe in Jesus and his teachings and God. I don't hate anybody. I don't want to kill anybody. I could care less pesronally. I don't judge anybody. It's not my place. My place is to just be the best I can be and "love thy neighbor" and help the meek and poor just as Christ. He went through persecution too. Not like some of these phoney people do. Sometimes some of these people who proclaim to follow Jesus should read the book of Matthew.

[Tux]

7. I agree

Any spiritual book that promotes murder and genocide shouldn't be called spiritual nor religious. It's hate dressed up as Deity. Nothing more.

[quisp]

8. that's a lot of pent up anger coming out...

Do you feel better?

I hope so.

I appreciate what you're saying.

I'm certainly not going to argue that a lot of people use the bible for hateful and evil ends. Yes, millions have suffered and died because of religious insanity.

My position is quite simple:

God is Love

[undergroundpanther]

9. OK

I don't belive in gods.
Gods that rule,dominate or plan events,create or whatever.

Creation here,is flawed desperately.
People suffer,life suffers for what?
For gods good pleasure?


When I think of the unknown I am honest enough to say I DUNNO.
And I am content to NOT KNOW.
I don't need a god to be a hero and justfy my life for me and kiss my boo boos.
I don't need a god to tell me this sick world is OK
I don't need a god to tell me when its all over I get a big party.
I don't need to know all by freinds and family are OK because I will never know until I die and even then I maight not find out.That is the nature of being blinded.

The bible is subject to interpretation. But much of the passages are obvious and do not fall into that category. For example, the below scripture tells us precisely that the societal system we live within is of Satan:

II Corinthians 4:4; ". . . In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, . . ."

The act of blinding someone is bestowing lies upon people so that they spread those lies throughout humanity making everybody live them. The above scripture tells us specifically that the societal system is that of a liar. In that scenario people wouldn’t always readily accept the truth because of it conflicting with what they were taught. In fact, they would violently oppose the truth because it means they would have to admit they allowed themselves to be misled and brainwashed by the ones who initiated the societal system they live within.

And God soufght to keep us AWAY from eternal life and AWAY from wisdom Lest we become like gods and live forever.

I don't need cosmic parents.My parents are fucked up as it is. Don't need omnipresentr ominopotent parents that know my thoughts and can thrrow me into a torture chamber forever if I so disagree.My human parents sucked enough.

I don't need a old book as a guide to tell me what my moral compass tells me whenm the book is more wrong than my own heart.

I don't need to be saved if I do not know what I need to be saved from and I haven't a clue what that entails really.


I do not like a god that would want me dead because:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. THe BIBLE is GOD.

John 10:29-31
" My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. " I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him

John 14:8-10
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, "Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.


"Jesus Christ (Yahushua Messiah):
the same yesterday, and today, and forever." Heb. 13:8

God does not change.

This god wants me dead.Jesus is Yaweh the same god.
Explain to me when reading this how
Jesus is NOT a murderer.

And explain THESE verses to me

"Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?" (Lamentations 3: 38-39)

"And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23)

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

"And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it." (Deuteronomy 28:63)


God Jesus and Satan are the SAME GOD..Read your bible People and KNOW the monster you worship!!


"AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1)

"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1)
Comment

Here we have either a contradiction, a grave Biblical error, God and Satan working together, or the unmistakable interpretation that God and Satan "are" one and the same! Given that fundamentalists believe the Bible contains no errors or contradictions, then that leaves only the last two possibilities.

Note that the capitalized word "AND" appears at the beginning of each verse and the message appears at the beginning of each chapter.

Note also that the name Lucifer (another name for Satan) means light bearer, or morning star: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer to the ground..." (Isaiah 14:12)

The last page of the Bible reveals Jesus: "I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Rev. 22:16)


Jesus said it..HE IS SATAN.

[MsTryska]

11. you should read some Bishop John Shelby Spong.

i'm reading "Rescuing the Bible from Fundmanetalism" right now, and he has a whole different take on things....