"St. Kerry is investigating the DSM" Really? Are you sure?

[UdoKier]

I keep hearing from Kerryites that he is all over the Downing Street Minutes, that he is somehow going to use it to impeach POS Bush.

So why can I find nothing about such an investigation when I do a Google news search? Why is there no mention of the memo on Kerry's website?

Could it be that this former prosecutor has concluded that the memo is insufficient evidence for impeachment, or much of anything else?

Of course we all know that there is plenty of evidence that Bush was lying. It was all over the papers in the run-up to the war. Tons of people at the CIA were saying that the intel as Bushco was presenting it was distorted - exaggerating the slim possibility that Saddam might have weapons. It was obvious when Saddam, at Bush's insistence, presented the UN and US with a table full of 44,000 pages documenting their weapons programs, and within less than 24 hours it was dismissed by the administration. It was obvious when Saddam gave the UN inspectors free access to any site they wanted to go to and Bush kept saying "Saddam won't let the inspectors in"

There was mountains of evidence that Bush & Co were pulling a fraud on the American people well before the Iraq War Resolution vote.

And yet Sens. Kerry, Clinton, Bayh, Biden, etc. etc. all voted to give Bush a blank check to commit a huge crime against humanity and our own servicepeople.

Don't look to Kerry or any of the other "Democrats" who voted for the IWR to EVER impeach Bush on anything relating to Iraq, because they are complicit. They knew it was a sham then, and they voted for it anyway.



They heard a collective scream "STOP!" from Americans, and from around the world, and they VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY.

Without a live boy or a dead girl in Bush's bed, we are stuck with bush until 2008, and our elected "Democrats" will make sure of it.

Go through the timeline. They knew what they were doing, and so did we. Defending their cowardly, even criminal actions is NOT being loyal to the democratic party. It's a surefire way to continue to undermine its credibility.

http://www.iraqtimeline.com/

A lot of people think I have a vendetta against Kerry. I certainly resent his poorly conducted campaign in 2004, but it's not just about him, it's about every democrat (and republican, but they are SUPPOSED to be evil) who voted for this measure. Kerry just gets the brunt of it because there are all of these people who seem to have this idea that he's all set to take down Bush. I haven't seen anything up to now to indicate that that will ever happen.

[Mr.Green93]

1. Don't worry

he's got our backs.

[Goldmund]

2. I agree.

And those who step out of line have been, and will be, labeled as "not serious" and belittled.

[Goldeneye]

3. Can I have links to the posts where kerryites said

Kerry is going to impeach Bush over the DSM please?

[Pirate Smile]

4. Are Newsmax and Al Jazeera "kerryites"?

[UdoKier]

8. Here's a couple...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3979650#3980059

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3979650#3979805

And I've see quite a few more implying that that's what Kerry's working toward.

I heard some people mention impeachment at Conyers' forum (which Kerry did not attend), but never Kerry.

[Goldeneye]

24. This?

"YOUR way is to ensure that Kerry's senate DSM investigation doesn't get the support it needs from people at forums like this one who are crucial to this battle."

I scanned through almost the whole thread and I didn't see it claimed anywhere that Kerry was going to impeach Bush. I saw BLM talking about a bonifaz statment about impeachment and another statement that was talking about an investigation. No mention of Kerry getting Bush impeached over DSM.

As for the media, I think the reason there is no news on the letter is because it hasn't been officially released yet. I could be wrong. Or maybe it's not news worthy because there aren't enough people on the intelligence committee willing to sign on. Or maybe its because the msm ignores things like this as long as it can. Maybe its because none of the dems have been talking about it. I'm not sure.


And this: "Don't look to Kerry or any of the other "Democrats" who voted for the IWR to EVER impeach Bush on anything relating to Iraq, because they are complicit. They knew it was a sham then, and they voted for it anyway."

...funny Kerry was the first democrat outside of congress to mention the DSM. He never said he was going to impeach Bush. He said he'd raise the issue. He's done more than raise it. He's trying to get an investigation. If he were scared of his IWR vote, would he have ever brought it up? Come on.

[ConfuZed]

5. Has he held that news conference yet?

[blm]

6. Another "I don't understand procedure so I'll keep blaming Kerry" thread?

The letter is with the Senate Intel Committee now. If 5 senators on the committee agree with the letter then an official senate investigation will begin.

There are 7 Democratic senators on that committee and one of the Repubs on the committee is Hagel.

One of the original signers of Kerry's letter is Jon Corzine who also sits on the committee.

There is a really good chance an investigation will come of this.

Maybe learning about how the senate works might be useful for you in the future and prevent future bouts of frustration.

[The Magistrate]

7. Of Course, Mr. Kier

Impeachment originates in the House of Representatives. This is currently in the hands of the Republican Party, and so is unlikely to vote a Bill of Impeachment, whatever the evidences of crime offered from any quarter.

It would be an interesting exercise, Sir, to compare the volume of vitriol expended towards the present regime, and various Democratic leaders, from certain quarters: it seems in some instances the latter is more frequently and bitterly assailed by far than the former, and it is hard to see what good this serves.

[UdoKier]

12. I'm well aware of that.

Just because Kerry can't start impeachment proceedings doesn't mean that he can't call on democrats in the House to start them.

And if it ever happened, he would be voting on Bush's guilt or innocence, "Sir".

And what good does patting "democrats" on the back when they vote in an unconscionable way do?

[The Magistrate]

22. How Can Democrats In The House Start Them, Sir?

Matters are brought to the floor by the Speaker, who at last examination was the reptile Hastert. Why should he hector people to do something they are clearly unable to do? It will only promote bitterness and division within the Party, at a time when energy should be concentrated on making gains in the '06 contests.

Nor, with an eye to those elections, is anything to be gained by dividing fire on the subject of Iraq. As that is becoming more clearly a failure to the people, it is essential to fasten that failure around the neck of its author, the Crawford Coward, and the Party he leads. Any action of expression which dilutes this focus will work the detriment of any hopes of gains in the Congress: it is a foolish as an advertising campaign that says "My soap cleans great, but this other brand don't do to bad either!" The line must be: "This whole damned mess is their fault, people!" It has, beyond the necessary unity of message, the advantage of being more or less true....

"Politics ain't bean-bag."

[funflower]

9. The, um, republicans control both houses of Congress.

Doesn't matter what Kerry does or doesn't do or say (or what Bush does either). Impeachment is not going to happen until Speaker Pelosi makes it happen.

[UdoKier]

14. It wasn't me who implied that Kerry was going to somehow bring about

impeachment.

You're 100% right, but I don't even think these people would impeach even if they did have a majority, for reasons already detailed in the OP.

[Dr Ron]

10. Kerry called for investigation by Senate committee

Kerry never said he was going to use this for impeachement. The right wing media made this claim after Kerry said he would be taking up the issue. It would be absurd for Kerry to talk about impeachement as impeachment is a function of the House, not Senate. Of course the House could consider impeachment if a Senate investigation were to ultimatley turn up evidence of an impeachable offense. Unfortuantely impeachment is also not realistic as long as Republicans control both houses of Congress.

These things take time and are not going to be on the front pages of newspapers. It was many months before the general public had any idea what was going on with Watergate, for example.

You are also mistaken in your description of the IWR. The IWR was a measure to force the inspectors back into Iraq, and to authorize war if we were threatened by WMD. Bush did not abide by the terms of the IWR, and he did not go to war based upon the IWR. Nobody voted for a blank check as you claimed.

[UdoKier]

15. Everyone knew it was a de facto blank check.

The Congress' stamp of approval on Bush's very obviously fraudulent war.

You know better than that.

[Dr Ron]

26. No, that is the assumption of those unaware of Senate procedure

This is the same sort of misconception as the post here which thinks Kerry is calling for impeachement and doesn't understand the concept of Senate investigations.

Just because peole on sites such as DU claim that it was a blank check doesn't make it so.

[seabeyond]

11. st. udokier

please point out where any kerryite is saying "that he is going to use it to impeach POS Bush."

i have yet to see a kerryite saying this all over the place. further, as someone who has listened to kerry last couple years, i would argue this is not his intent to impeach, but to bring up and investigate the issue. then go from there

on edit: not that your post wasnt chalked full of dismissiveness to anyone that doesnt have the same negative attitude towards kerry as you do. very,.......lacking of repsect

[UdoKier]

17. links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3979650#3980059

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3979650#3979805

[seabeyond]

20. firstly am i suppose to read the whole of both threads, or just blm

post after yours


. "Use the IWR to impeach Bush and don't let Rove win the spin."

is this where you are refering the kerryites are saying kerry is using this to impeach bush/. because i dont see anywhere in either of the posts by yours, where the "kerryite" is stating kerry is using the dsm in order to impeach bush

and i agree with blms post that so many seem to bash either kerry, dean, edwards, clark or any other dem first, before going after bush, since bush has done the wrong, and is making the decision i find this odd behoavior

regardless, the couple posts i have read that "prove" your statement the "kerryites" are saying kerry is suppose to be trying to "impeach" bush with his efforts with dms is unsupported

unless of course, you are expecting me to read the whole threads. and i didnt

[seabeyond]

21. and as much as the detractors may wnat kerry in a super cape, reality

gonna take more than one senator to bring down the president. you do understand that dont you. kerry is not solely responsible for all that happens in washington, including the repug behavior plus saving all our souls

[Dr Ron]

27. This means nothing

Kerry never said anything about impeachment. A couple posts on DU which have the word impeach in them do not mean a thing.

[dbonds]

13. If he is great, but I wouldn't depend on it.

I still don't trust him after the way he layed down after the election. Also he didn't fight back with swift boat liars. He is another Skull and Bones guy, so I have enough questions that I need Kerry to redeem himself.

[dbonds]

16. The DLC is owned by big business same as republicans.

"And yet Sens. Kerry, Clinton, Bayh, Biden, etc. etc. all voted to give Bush a blank".

Big business has coverred its bases, just in case.

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[SammyWinstonJack]

23. St. Kerry?

That's a little rough, isn't it?

[Goldeneye]

25. Quick question.

Is this post about Kerry, or Kerry supporters?

[Technowitch]

28. Locking

This is a continuation of a previously locked thread topic, and is also a continuation of a flame-war. In addition, the original post subject is deliberately inflammatory.

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