O'Reilly falsely claimed that interrogator told him harsh questioning of detainees had saved "thousands of lives"
Fox News host Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that the former chief interrogator at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan told him "on the radio" that the use of harsh questioning techniques at Bagram had "saved thousands of lives." In fact, the interrogator, who uses the pseudonym Chris Mackey, never gave an estimate of how many lives had been saved by the use of harsh interrogation techniques during his 2004 interview on O'Reilly's nationally syndicated radio show. He simply claimed, without offering details or examples, that plots had been foiled using information obtained through a technique called "monstering." Mackey, who co-authored the book The Interrogators: Inside the Secret War Against Al Qaeda (Little, Brown, 2004), also appeared on the July 19, 2004, edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, but he did not make the claim in that discussion either.
From the December 1, 2004, broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:
O'REILLY: Did you get information that was helpful to the United States by using this "monstering" technique?
MACKEY: Extremely helpful. The information that my extraordinary bunch of interrogators collected using that technique -- it cannot be overestimated. But we --
O'REILLY: Can you give us an example of it?
MACKEY: Yes. Some of the information that we got using that technique revealed plots that were going on in Europe that were foiled by civilian intelligence agencies. And another one was a couple of very important tactical plots that were being formed against our combat soldiers on the ground. Which is actually our principal responsibility as interrogators.
From the June 29 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, with Fox News military analyst Gen. Wesley Clark:
O'REILLY: Continuing now with new Fox analyst Gen. Wesley Clark. OK. I believe in coerced rehabilitation, and I'll tell you why I believe that. The chief interrogator at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan, where a lot of Al Qaedas were held, told me on the radio that using sleep deprivation, loud noise, changes of temperature and all of that saved thousands of American lives, that they got information by breaking these suspects down they would not have gotten by Geneva Convention methods, name, rank and serial number.
He told me that point-blank. This is the top guy, all right? So I say if that's saving lives, I'm OK with coerced interrogation. What say you?
CLARK: Well, I say that, you know, it violates the Geneva Convention. I don't know whether this is true. I don't know if that's the only way to get it. And he didn't tell me that.
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