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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:11 PM
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Re: the Clark/O'Reilly interview last night. Falafel boy LIED
O'Reilly falsely claimed that interrogator told him harsh questioning of detainees had saved "thousands of lives"

Fox News host Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that the former chief interrogator at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan told him "on the radio" that the use of harsh questioning techniques at Bagram had "saved thousands of lives." In fact, the interrogator, who uses the pseudonym Chris Mackey, never gave an estimate of how many lives had been saved by the use of harsh interrogation techniques during his 2004 interview on O'Reilly's nationally syndicated radio show. He simply claimed, without offering details or examples, that plots had been foiled using information obtained through a technique called "monstering." Mackey, who co-authored the book The Interrogators: Inside the Secret War Against Al Qaeda (Little, Brown, 2004), also appeared on the July 19, 2004, edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, but he did not make the claim in that discussion either.

From the December 1, 2004, broadcast of Westwood One's The Radio Factor with Bill O'Reilly:

O'REILLY: Did you get information that was helpful to the United States by using this "monstering" technique?

MACKEY: Extremely helpful. The information that my extraordinary bunch of interrogators collected using that technique -- it cannot be overestimated. But we --

O'REILLY: Can you give us an example of it?

MACKEY: Yes. Some of the information that we got using that technique revealed plots that were going on in Europe that were foiled by civilian intelligence agencies. And another one was a couple of very important tactical plots that were being formed against our combat soldiers on the ground. Which is actually our principal responsibility as interrogators.

From the June 29 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, with Fox News military analyst Gen. Wesley Clark:

O'REILLY: Continuing now with new Fox analyst Gen. Wesley Clark. OK. I believe in coerced rehabilitation, and I'll tell you why I believe that. The chief interrogator at Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan, where a lot of Al Qaedas were held, told me on the radio that using sleep deprivation, loud noise, changes of temperature and all of that saved thousands of American lives, that they got information by breaking these suspects down they would not have gotten by Geneva Convention methods, name, rank and serial number.

He told me that point-blank. This is the top guy, all right? So I say if that's saving lives, I'm OK with coerced interrogation. What say you?

CLARK: Well, I say that, you know, it violates the Geneva Convention. I don't know whether this is true. I don't know if that's the only way to get it. And he didn't tell me that.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506300010
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:14 PM
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1. It's called leadership, Cat!
:hi:

How is the Cat today?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:18 PM
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3. hot as hell here
can't wait for the sun to go down :hi:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:14 PM
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2. It's a shame we can't predict O'Really's lies in advance
He spews dishonesty like that and good people like Clark can't be prepared to have the facts to expose the lie when he says it.

I honestly think he makes it up as he goes along, so even O'Really doesn't know what particular lies he's going to spew on any given day.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:20 PM
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5. But, we CAN predict O'Really's lies in advance...
Here's a tip:

If his lips are moving, he's lying.

TC
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:52 PM
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8. LOL
You got that right. Sometimes he gets really creative, too, like when he kept putting words in C. Rice's mouth about how much she cares about the troops when Boxer accused her of not caring about the truth.

"You'd better bet I care about our brave fighting men and women" and on and on and on he went, making it up as he went along.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:19 PM
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4. That's funny, thanks CatWoman...
He has a book and a documentary that meticulously talk about how badly he lies and he persists. It's truely compulsive...but ya know what? That's also what made him so great on Inside Edition, because he could make up stories about celebrities so flawlessly that he's almost believable...in a ratfaced sort of way.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:20 PM
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6. Shameless, Shameless
Wes Clark is calling for a Congressional investigation into the Bush Administration's role in prisoner abuse.

Stop Blaming the Troops - Investigate the Real Culprits of Abuse

The time has come to investigate the Bush Administration's role in the prisoner abuse and humiliation that has motivated our enemies in the war on terror and endangers the well-being of our fighting forces.

Today, the reports of abuse and humiliation at detainment facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Cuba are distracting the world from focusing on winning the war on terror. Although the military chain of command seems to have properly investigated the role of its personnel and held accountable those in the wrong, the civilian leadership in this country has failed to do the same.

Call on Senate Armed Services Chairman John Warner to investigate the Bush Administration's role in prisoner abuse now!

For generations, the United States has been a powerful voice of moral authority in the world. After World War II, we led the world in creating the Geneva Conventions and prosecuting war criminals at Nuremberg, and later became one of the first nations to ratify the Convention Against Torture. Even today, Slobodan Milosevic is being tried for war crimes thanks to a U.S.-led NATO air strike against his brutal campaign of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.

Unfortunately, the Bush Administration has squandered our legacy of moral leadership.


-more-

http://www.securingamerica.com/?q=node/184





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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 06:23 PM
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7. Oreally lying is like shit stinking. Its a given
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