So...with no WMD Found....how do you waffles on DU feel? Who supported

[KoKo]

Bush's War? Do you feel "Hoodwinked?" Do you think "Saddam had ample notice to 'ship them over to Syria/Iran?" Do you think that if the Bushies "plant them" you will say: "Hey Great News" and accept it.....Do you think you would feel differently and MARCHED IN THE STREETS to STOP this WAR.....knowing what you know now?

I didn't number my choices.....tired.....so maybe it's too complicated to answer. But, I know that you DU'ers who really Thought Bush was Correct....and don't wan't to "Fess Up" are out there.....and you "tacitly" gave approval thinking this would make the ME safer and help Israel.....I know you're there.....

But, did it work......and what would you do differently if you are a supporter of MAJOR US INTERVENTION in the ME to keep Israel SAFE! And, I want Israel SAFE! BUT.......a price has to be paid.....here.....Is it too high....???? Must the US continue to spend all this money and troops and blood to keep Israel safe.....???

Edited: typos, many...and for clarification of thought........tired...

[jiacinto]

1. Well

I was never in favor of the war. But I do think that getting rid of Sadaam was a good idea. I just didn't think Bush knew what he was doing and that was why I was against the war.

My concern is whatever WMD was there has now fallen into the hands of black market dealers and terrorists.

[RobertSeattle]

2. Good points

We need to realize the someday some Democrat President may have to deal with some despot and decides that "regime change" is the only way to go about postive change. Hopefully that President will handle the situation far better (get UN approval, get a real coalition, have better 'win the peace' plans, etc) than the "sales job" technique the Bush Administration tried.

[KoKo]

21. yes.....crying wolf and putting US into Deficit for years.....was not wise

what do we have left to use.....when we might really need it?

[LeftCoast]

9. The Kay Report is supposed to say

that they didn't have any weapons at all - that they weren't smuggled across the borders. No WMD's and no Program.

[jiacinto]

11. Yeah

But I still think they had something. Not to the extent that Bush et al claimed, but they did have something. And whatever was there is now in the hands of terrorists and black market dealers. There are no WMDs there because they've all been sold.

[KoKo]

12. Maybe if we hadn't invaded he would have kept them and UN Weapons folks

could have been in there (they went back in, if you remember when Bush threatened).....and if they had kept up their work they wouldn't be in the "elsewhere" other countries you think they are now...

If they are in other countries...then why did we invade? What good did it do....:shrug:

[MariMayans]

13. why?

This isn't a can of chef boyardee. You are talking about biological samples and a notoriously clumsy Iraqi chemical weapons program which required stocks to be retotated regularly because they turned into useless goo as they aged.

The lack of a plant to produce these things means that they aren't there.

[KoKo]

16. Mari.....they are in the sands of the desert..buried...waiting....waiting.

meanwhile in Alabama, USA, Chem/WMD are being burned so that the wind patters in the Southeast can waft them over our citizens. If you live in that little town in ALA.....you wear a gas mask......for OUR WMD/Chemical, SARIN GAS!

[bpilgrim]

15. sure

exactly the frame of mind that will set us up for the next invasion.

of course your SURE 'they' had WMD that was sold off or gave away just before his country was attacked.

yeah... sure

peace

[Eloriel]

20. You're right. They did.

Past tense. A lotta years ago. Just as Saddam's son-in-law who defected said: the inspectios worked and they got rid of everything.

So we went to war because Saddam was a lousy bookkeeper is what it boils down to.

Eloriel

[ixion]

3. not having waffled on this

I wouldn't know. I never supported the war(s).

As for the ME...I think Israel is an illegitimate state propped up for some reason unbeknownst to me, but it's not a good reason. Israel has done absolutely nothing to merit being propped up, IMHO. And before anyone whips out the Anti-Semitic stuff, save it. I have absolutely nothing against the Jewish religion. This has nothing to do with that.

I think that removing Saddam has not helped the world move towards being safer or more democratic. Despite the fact that he was a tyrant. There are many tryants in the world. The BIG QUESTION is why did thousands of innocent Iraqis and American soldiers have to die to remove him, if there was no threat? Would a diplomatic solution have been better?

[KoKo]

6. I'm with you, Ixion, but I know that there are many DU'ers who still are

supporting the ME intervention...And they are Dems all the way with us.....until one mentions I/P and then the whole ocnversation changes.....but this has gone so far.....that all of us in America.....Jews/Christians of all stripes are going to go "down the tubess" economically........IS THIS WORTH IT? For OIL? TERRATORIAL RIGHTS? CORPRATISM? PATRIOTISM?....and whatever ELSE THEY THREW IN THE BAG.....when we INVADED......I don't think so.....it's too high a price.

Our fragile economy can't bear it.....the burden is too great....it will sink us too far......

[mhr]

4. No Waffle Here

Never supported Regime Change.

Saddam was contained.

Wrong approach by an incompetent CIC.

[neebob]

5. I was against the war

in Afghanistan AND Iraq. I was more focused on why 9-11 happened in the first place and always knew it was bogus. I feel guilty for not having attended any protests. I know some people who did, and I'm not aware of anyone other than my mother who thought either war was a good idea. My boss actually wrote Bush a letter outlining the reasons not to go to war in Iraq. But a lot of my friends and co-workers shut up when it started, and I met with some disapproval for continuing to criticize it.

[marshmellow]

7. If Dean wins the dem nod,

Those bastards aren't in the WH because they play fair. They play the dirtiest and I will bet you that if DEAN wins the dem nomination next March, they will find the WMDs (somehow) and paint GW as a savior and Dean as someone who would not have acted when needed.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. I walked my talk

took place in every protest/demo they had in my county. Was one of the organizers, and was active in writing letters to the editor, distributing literature, etc, etc.

Some people are saying the war was worth it because it deposed an evil and bad man who was in power. Sorry, but I still don't see that it was our business to go in unilaterally to take him out. By that logic, any country should be able to invade any other country if they don't like that country's leader. Hmmm....wonder if Germany or France are planning anything......</sarcasm>

[KoKo]

10. I remember sitting on my computer at 2:00 a.m. one morning/E-Mail:French

Ambassador...because of a DU Alert with the e-mails given of the French Delegates to UN whom we should try to e-mail to try to get the vote agains Bush's War.

I kept e-mailing long empassioned messages and they kept getting sent back by "DAEMON/DEMON" as I call the E-Mail reurn site...and I use Earthlink.....and when one of them finally went through, and I'd used Move On.org's site to sent the rest of my petitions to the UN which would be (according to Move On) delivered in "boxes" to the UN .......I felt I was trying to do everything to stop this war! And, that's aftger protesting here in Raleigh at the big 7,000 Demonstration and attending numorous other smaller Demonstrations in Durham, NC and Raleigh and candlelight vigils, etc.

Those who worked our hearts out to stop this Invasion...and who gave up weekends and nights during the week.......and got little sleep on the internet...e-mailing Congresspersons, Senators, Move On, and French Ambassadors.....will NEVER SLEEP until BUSH WAR get's him IMPEACHED! And he needs to have the 2000 SELECTION added to his Impeachment Charges....

No.....we will never have a good night's rest until this vampire has been impaled with the silver stake and his fellow Creatures of the Dark!"

[Pepperbelly]

14. explain 'wafles' please? nt

[KoKo]

18. PB......it's those who thought their "might" be WMD/CHEM/BIO in Iraq......

You may be young and don't remember Poppy's war and the aftermath...and maybe you didn't hear Robert Byrd on the Senate floor listing the names, quantities, reciepts of transfer of the Chem/Bio stuff we sold SADDAM but he did it in the hearingson the Iraq Resolution. He got the receipts from the Dept. of Commerce and asked that it be put in the Congressional Record. We sold him Chems/Bio's .....and it wasn't for WMD......My hubbie is a scientist....he deals with this stuff...countries don't always buy that stuff to use against their populations....but WE SOLD IT.....AND THERE ARE RECEIPTS...Why?

So......those of us who had some background about the history of us and Iraq.....said.....hmmm......there's nothing there...that hasn't already been destroyed or cataloged or photographed by Sattelites.......that can pinpoint a man in the dark with a weapon (according just a couple of years ago to our Intelligence Services).

I and others who protested this War NEVER BELIEVED there were WMD/CHEM/BIO which SADDAM could launch on us here in US......But I understand that most Americans DID believe that...because of the scare tactics and we don't like to believe a President would lie to us.....even that F**king Idiot in Thief installed in the WH!

That's a waffler.....and then there are the I/P folks who are always terrified that an Arab country will attack Israel....and thos folks were probably more important than the Americans who believed Bush.....it was for Israel's stability and security in the ME.....because they don't have enough resources to fight more than the Palestinians at this point.

That's what I meant.
Peace!

[Swede]

17. When mushroom clouds were raised that sent a chill

And I thought well I guess we have to go in. I was suckered by the only thing the could've suckered me. Nuclear explosions over a major city. Those bullshitting bastards got me.

[KoKo]

19. Well.....you weren't alone.....there were many others.....

:-(

[gratuitous]

22. Yeah, Saddam's gone -- he was a bad, bad man you know

And Jeffrey Dahmer's victims don't have acne. The "cure" for Iraq was every bit as bad as the disease. Saddam was wholly contained; he couldn't scratch his nose without us knowing which nostril. Now, we don't know where the hell he is, or what he's doing. If Saddam had WMD, and he was a bad, bad man, the $64 question is why didn't he use them? Either he wasn't that bad (and I don't concede that), or . . . he didn't have anything to use. The UN couldn't find anything; we've had full run of the country for six months, and we can't find anything, not even a chemical signature.

Chemical and biological weapons don't just disappear without a trace. If they did, the weapons dump at Umatilla in Oregon would have been cleaned up decades ago. Maybe the Army should hire Saddam, since he's found such a sanitary method of disposal!

We've lost thousands through death or injury, killed thousands more Iraqis, uniformed soldiers and non-combatants alike. We've squandered nearly $100 billion, and we're poised to spend a similar amount next year. Meanwhile, our country plunges deeper and deeper in debt, less money available for our citizenry and needs, and if a real enemy were to strike now, our armed forces are so totally committed elsewhere that we are probably more vulnerable to attack than we have been for the last hundred years.

Saddam's gone. Big whoop. We're broker and more unpopular world-wide than ever, and we're as open to attack as we've probably ever been. Let's go get Iran next, whaddya say?