Oh my god, is this true about Dean? Oh my God!

[Bread and Circus]

I found this about Dean on the internet, is it true?
I was so close to switching over to Dean, but now, I found this,
oh my God!

Thank god for the internet to find things out! I could have
been fooled into voting for Dean. Oh my God!



-- end sarcasm.

Please Note: The top five lines are sarcasm for those
of you who don't get it) -- this post is not about the content
of the article itself. Please read my text after the article
and comment on that for peet's sake.

Heres the excerpt:

Howard Dean’s Gimmick Campaign Strategy Increases His Chances

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Exclusive commentary by CK Rairden



Sep 10, 2003


The Dean campaign gimmicks are working. He has vaulted into the favorite role in the race of the Democratic nine. His plan of dodging tough interviews and staying in front of the angry left crowds are gaining him exposure and money without requiring him to expose himself to difficult questions. It’s pure genius.

After taking an unmerciful beating from NBC’s “Meet The Press” commentator Tim Russert in late June, Dean realized his best bet was to “Dodge the Press.”

Here's the link: http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_6580.shtml

I stumbled across this article, but I thought I would make a
point of it. There a million and a half crap articles about Dean,
Kerry, Kucinich, and the rest. Frankly, I don't see the Clark-supporters going out in droves and combing for every hack-job
they could possibly get their hands on just to smear
other candidates on DU. Nor do I see them re-posting the same
debunked lies over and over as well.

P.S. By the way, I don't mind Dean
but I am nowhere near switching to him.

[poskonig]

1. Dean has been through many tough interviews.

You're just not seeing him as much since Clark has the spotlight.

[Bread and Circus]

3. I didn't write the article....

and that is not the point.

[DrBB]

4. Did you see the "sarcasm" tag?

Just checking. Didn't sound like you got the point.

[poskonig]

29. Gotcha!

:toast:

[DrBB]

2. I keep hoping it will settle down in a few more days

I get so sick of reading straight-from-Rove's mouth disinformation on a board I USED to rely on for seeing around the edges of that kind of crap.

[Khephra]

5. Seems like a rw site to me...a list of their contributers.....

Dan Abbett
Chad Allen
American Life League
Rob Barrabee
L. Brent Bozell III
Jerry Brooks
Pat Buchanan
Nick Burn
Steve Chapman
Jon Connolly
Shane Cory
Cathryn Crawford
Steve Farrell
Harvey Greenfield
Garfield Jones
Martin Kelly
Uriah Kriegel
Greg Lewis
Michelle Malkin
Peter McKay
Oliver North
Robert Novak
Bob Parks
CK Rairden
Bill O'Reilly
Patrick Rooney
Frank Salvato

[genius]

6. Since Dean's Bush's choice, the news media is helping him

However, it looks like he's self-destructing.

[KaraokeKarlton]

9. Since Kerry is Al From's choice, the DLC is helping him

However, it looks like he's self-destructing.

[JohnKleeb]

23. now now I dont agree Dean is Bush's choice

but Kerry being Al From's choice, you may not like Kerry but he is more the all around liberal than Dean. I dont think he would be From's choice. He is Ted Kennedy choice and we know how DLC Teddy is ;) I dont think he has anything to do with him being from the same state.

[stickdog]

21. Yeah, it takes a real genius to

spout Rove like that.

[UnapologeticLiberal]

28. I don't think Dean is Bush's choice

I think Bush and Rove pretend Dean is the one they want. I know whom I think they really want (out of the major contenders) but I am not going to say because I do not want to start a flame war.

You Have the Power!

[Rebellious Republican]

7. Anyone giving props to Tim Russert has to be GOP media.

Tim Russert is a rightwing media whore!

By the way this response does not mean that I am a Dean supporter. I was just in another discussion about Clark the other day, comming to his defense against rightwing propaganda. If you can not recognize rightwing tactics to discredit Dem candidates, then you must be a politcal novice.I do appreciate your passion for the Dem cause, lets hope this type of passion is spreading like wildfire.

:kick:

[Bread and Circus]

8. Holy cats....

I believe that reading comprehension on DU must
be slipping.

The point is that the article is probably just a hack
job. Similar to what is being used left and right
against Clark.

Again, it's not about the article. It's about the hit
and run tactic of senselessly linking to outside sources
that have no merit.

It cheap and lame.

That's the point.

Who gives a shit what the article is about. Who gives a
shit what Counterpunch has to say. Who gives a shit
what Rush Limbaugh has to Say.

There needs to be more argument and debate from our own
brains and reasoning. That is what I am trying to allude
to.

I am exhausted, it's like talking to a thick, dense brick
wall around here.

[Wonk]

11. Speaking of dense, looked in a mirror lately?

"I don't see the Clark-supporters going out in droves and combing for every hack-job
they could possibly get their hands on just to smear other candidates on DU."

You are doing precisely that with this thread. I don't think sarcasm is the right word for your post. Hypocrite is more like it.

[Bread and Circus]

13. Wonk,

you are right up there with the best of
them when it comes to missing the point,
as you have done here. Wasn't my disclaimer
in plain English enough for you?

[Wonk]

16. Loud and clear. Read this then read your post again.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bread and Circus]

26. They deleted my other message...

so I will tone it down.

Frankly, I find your "pleading" link condescending
as well as grossly inaccurate.

[union_maid]

10. I think that was the point

The point of the post was not to discredit Dean. You don't have to believe me. Go read the sarcasm tag again. The point is more that RW talking points have been dragged up here regarding Clark ad nauseum. Fact is, if I recall correctly, after "everyone" agreed that Dean did terribly on MTP it turned out that the exposure did him much more good than harm. I think that's great. I think it's wonderful that the "conventional wisdom" is being defeated over and over. But there does seem to be a concerted effort by some to torpedo Clark's candidacy and the right and left are as one on that. It's not going to work, however.

[Rebellious Republican]

33. "Torpedo Clarks candidacy" kinda like you and the Family Dr.

acting like clark supporters and logging on DU. So as to make him and his true supporters look like a bunch of loud mouth, arrogant Jackass's. Sorry but it won't work with me, Wes Clark would not engage in or condone this kind of support! Go Clark, Go Dean who cares which one it is in "04", as long as it is not Bush.

[Upfront]

12. Dean Was On ABC Today.

Had an interview with Charlie. He wants to speak out, not hide from it. This stuff gets old fast.

[Bread and Circus]

14. OH my god!

Another DU'er who couldn't read the big
end sarcasm tag as well as the one paragraph
disclaimer.

Next time I will include a manual.

This is an amazing anthropological study.

[stickdog]

15. Clark supporters are no angels.

JMHO.

[Bread and Circus]

17. That's true...

and at least you get the point of the post.

[DrBB]

18. Geez, people really aren't getting it are they?

"Irony? Oh, no, ha ha ha ha ha ha. No, we don't get that here."

--Steve Martin, Roxanne

[Wonk]

19. It's not irony and it's not sarcasm. It's special pleading. See post #16.

nt

[Clark Can WIN]

20. Thanks doctor.

All this crap gives me a headache sometimes.

[Clark Can WIN]

24. Didn't know you were the God of DU wonk.

Why do we have to go read your little essay to know what is right and wrong and how to post here?:eyes:

[TacticalPeek]

25. Family Doc, apparently you need to use lots of ALL CAPS ALLCAPS

on the SARCASM thing, plus LOTS of SARCASM smilies.

Wouldn't hurt to repeat lines, it's easy.

This is becoming a jaded shootingmatcharguementdebate, and you have proven that it takes A LOT, I say A LOT of whatever we can find to cut through the jungle.

Anything, my kingdom for civil discourse. Let's leave the straight-jacketed ideology bashing to talk tv where it pays well. It don't pay here.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

27. Brilliant!

I stumbled across this article, but I thought I would make a
point of it.

Uh huh, sure, I believe you... :eyes:

Frankly, I don't see the Clark-supporters going out in droves and combing for every hack-job
they could possibly get their hands on just to smear
other candidates on DU.

Says he, after going out to find a hack-job article to smear another candidate on DU... :eyes:

Not to mention the fact that the Clark supporters were ALL for this sort of thing not so long ago... In fact I believe I even saw the same article a while back...

Nor do I see them re-posting the same
debunked lies over and over as well.

I may be wrong, but I believe that WAS a repost...

In fact, all the same things I am seeing now from Clark supporters, I saw first from Dean supporters. After all, Dean was being attacked like this LONG before Clark got in the race.

I personally don't prefer Dean, but he does come out near the top of my ranking system. Kucinich and Edwards top that particular list in my opinion, with Sharpton and Mosely Braun in very close proximity.

As for Kerry and Clark, well they are near the bottom with Lieberman, who I struggle to even consider a Dem.

But, my opinion doesn't count, because I don't get to vote for them. So all I can hope to do is convince people that they need to vote for people who are LEAST likely to get the US involved in foreign wars, after all, being foreign, I stand a chance of being "Iraqed".

Although I am a SCREAMING liberal, to a degree I don't care that much about US domestic issues (except in the most academic of ways) because they don't affect me. What I care about is US foreign policy, and personally, I don't care if the US builds multilateral partnerships before invading countries, I prefer that it keep it's troops at home and find another way to solve problems.

To me, Kerry and Dean, and probably Lieberman, are least likely to do that, and thus they are pushed way to the bottom.

[PAMod]

34. BINGO!

What better way to re-post crap against a candidate than to say that he/she he is so proud of his candidate for not doing this petty, counterproductive crap - oh, and here's an example!

[Kanola]

30. Clark and Dean supporters are in this together

I appreciate your sense of humor, and know you realize that Clark will be put through the same idiotic analyis from the "liberal" media that Dean has been put through. I will support Clark, Kerry, et al, when attacked by these biased media sources because one of these men will become our nominee. I am supporting Dean for nominee, but if Clark or Kerry happens to get it I will be behind them 100%.

[Julien Sorel]

31. Read this thread!

You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll wish you had been born in a country with better public education.

[Wonk]

32. Then read it again, and pretend that where it says "Dean" it says "Clark"

and see if you feel any differently about whether the original post contributed anything positive to the general level of discourse on DU.