Wes Clark - Endorsed by Gene Taylor AND Charlie Rangel

[dolstein]

This is a big deal folks -- the Democrats have found themselves a candidate who is enthusiastically supported by Gene Taylor, a conservative white Congressman from Missippi, and Charlie Rangel, a liberal African American Congressman from Harlem. This is a very good sign.

[Jim Sagle]

1. Big whoop.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

3. What the Hell Happened To You?

You used to post such thoughtful and interesting stuff. I used to love reading your posts.

:crazy:

DTH

[Jim Sagle]

10. Riiiiiiiiiiight.

I saw that invisible sarcasm tag. ;-)

[DoveTurnedHawk]

11. I'm Totally Serious

I loved your stuff on I/P in particular. I just haven't understood why you've been posting so many one-liners lately.

I just saw your more substantial post in Will's thread, though, and responded to it. Even though we obviously disagree strongly, I was glad to see a more lengthy and detailed post.

DTH

[madmax]

2. Here's Gene Taylor's website he's on the Armed Services Comm.

http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/committees.htm

[dolstein]

4. Some DU'ers want to marginalize the Democratic Party

Instead of the majority party of old, some DU'ers would prefer that Democratic Party be reduced to a hard core of left-wingers. I'm not one of those people. I want a standard bearer who can appeal to Democrats (and independents) across the political spectrum. That's how it used to be, back when the Democratic Party dominated the political landscape.

[WillyBrandt]

5. A Coalition is not a Consensus

I'm a center-left winger (is there such a thing) who also wants a Democratic party that spans the left to the center.

Remember this quote from The Emerging Democratic Majority: A Coalition is not a Consensus. We can NOT be ideologically pure, no matter what. There are just too may views.

The best we can hope for is sanity, competence, responsbility abroad, and an effort to help ordinary folks here at home. Platitudes, sure, but platitudes are the best we can muster when generalizing over tens of millions.

Even the right-wing radicals in power make compromises, if only for purely cynical reasons.

[Julien Sorel]

6. He really is a uniter, not a divider.

Maybe his campaign slogan should be, 'Wesley Clark -- the President George Bush promised you.' I can hear the bashers now!

If he is able to sew up a big chunk of the minority vote, it's going to be awful hard on the other people. Rangel, for whatever reason, doesn't have the clout in the national black community that I feel he should, but I know Sharpton likes Clark as well, although Al is something of a mercenary. Sharpton is likely to end up some kind of player here -- maybe not like Jackson was in the 80s, but he's going to get into the game.

I think Kerry has inroads into the Hispanic community, leaving Dean in an interesting position.

[Pastiche423]

8. You have got to be kidding!

clark, a uniter? What the hell is he uniting? It certainly is not the Democrats.

Warmongers, maybe?

[CWebster]

16. Hey , how'd you get in here?

This thread has the stench of testosterone and old brain dominance. Couldn't you smell it? ;-)

[tabasco]

23. The warmongers are the chickenhawks in the administration

Soldiers who have been there and done that are the last ones that want a war. Nice stereotype, however.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

9. Clark Is Addressing the CBC This Weekend

I hope he does well! I have to think they will be impressed with his amicus brief in support of affirmative action (well before his present political aspirations), as well as many of his other positions. And of course, his bearing and personality. :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=131488

DTH

[Myra]

13. Well, I'm glad Clark is addressing the CBC early on

I hope he actually give them something
concrete to look forward to, instead of
taking the support of African Americans for
granted like the Dem party generally does
(President Clinton being a major exception).

Then I hope he goes to the NAACP, like,
*fast*. Get on the phone with Mfume
and go meet with him. After all, the
2k election was stolen largely by eliminating
their votes in the infamous bogus Fla "felon"
purge.

[Devlzown]

7. Interesting. Let's see.........

Taylor is on the Armed Services Committee. Rangel introduced a bill to make military service mandatory. And they're both supporting a retired general for the Presidency. There may be nothing to it, but I wonder.

[Jim Sagle]

12. All Aboard the Meatgrinder Express!

:puke:

[Adjoran]

14. Nope

Nobody votes on the basis of endorsements, unless perhaps a superstar in the party like the Clintons or Gore made one - which they won't.

To win you need votes. What is the actual situation on the ground?

In Iowa, Gephardt has been organizing for over 15 years. Dean has built a strong campaign in only a few months, and the Kerry campaign has been there a long time, too. If Clark finishes as high as fourth, he will have done well.

Next stop is NH, where Dean has been surging, with Kerry a sagging second. Lieberman is also from a neighboring state, and has contacts. Anything above fourth place is a moral victory for Clark.

Then it's SC and AZ. Edwards has a make-or-break chance in his birth state, and Kerry, Gephardt, and Lieberman have been actively working SC for months. Lieberman has been very active in AZ. If Clark can't break through in one or both of these states, where is he supposed to show his strength?

The field will narrow sharply in February. Only those who have shown well in the early contests will be able to attract continued support and donations. There will be no more than three serious candidates by the end of the month, although a few others may stay in for whatever reason.

[Jack Rabbit]

17. I don't think that's what Dolstein is trying to say

Few people will vote on the basis of an endorsement, you're right about that. However, I don't think Dolstein is suggesting otherwise.

Dolstein is impressed that Clark is getting endorsements from diverse parts of the Democratic Party. I agree with Dolstein that this is something of which we should take notice.

[Julien Sorel]

18. Organization, organization, organization.

Those people generally have local organizations that can lend help to a campaign. It's not just the endorsement that counts, but the support.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. Good grief! I agree with Dolstein!

I might add that while I have not decided which candidate to support, Clark is high on my list. Of course, so is Dean. It should come as no surprise that Kucinich appeals to me most ideologically; if that's all there were to it, I'd support him. On the other hand, that's not all there is to it.

I'm waiting for Clark to better define himself. Once he does, he'll no longer be all things to all people. However, I'm not looking for a President who will be all things to all people.

Meanwhile, Dolstein and I both believe Clark could make a good candidate and one that either of us could support. I guess we are going to have a Cubs-Red Sox World Series after all.

[imhotep]

19. bragging about endorsements from conservatives

Is supposed to be good for progressives?

[slappypan]

20. looks exactly like freerepublic

That graphic is disgraceful and looks like it came from freerepublic or Rush Limbaugh's website.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Check The Time Of Our Posts

I'm getting sick of these ad hominem attacks...

I was going to post a thread :

Perusing This Board....

I have learned some great new insults, put downs, slams, the rhetorical equivalent a slap to the chops on this board....

I'll think I'll try try them in real life without the protection and anonymity that the internet provides...

If you don't see me posting here any more it means I was probably hospitalized or worse....

I have never seen such HATE SPEECH since Dinesh DSousa and his cronies hijacked the Dartmouth Review....

edited to remove obscenities....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Did You Get That From Rush Limbaugh's Site?

NT

[OKNancy]

25. Alert is your friend. n/t

[diplomats]

24. Charlie Rangel is a conservative?

Do you have evidence to back that up? (BTW, I didn't realize you were suddenly a convert to right-winger William Safire's point of view. I assume when he attacks Howard Dean - whom I greatly respect - you'll also embrace his "arguments"? You can't have it both ways.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Charles Rangel Has A 91% Lifetime ADA Rating

www.adaction.org


Wow... I wonder what a progressive looks like...


Gene Taylor is very conservative. His support of Clark suprises me but if that means Taylor has become pro choice, pro gay rights, pro affirmative action, anti- Iraq War than that's a good thing...

I'll bet his rural Mississippi constituents will be suprised....

Peace 03

Brian

[WoodrowFan]

29. ADA

Apparently anything below a 100% is a RWinger, and I am waiting for the note that claims that the ADA is a front for the dreaded DLC and the MIC and the international bankers, and the 'zionist elders', etc, etc.

[neverforget]

30. Rush and the Freepers are proud of you for that pic!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Nlighten1]

26. Gene Taylor

was my Congressman when I lived in Mississippi. He is a great guy from my experience. He helped me out when I was in the Army and needed help with an investigation that was wrongfully brought against me. I'm not so sure about Clark myself but I am taking a wait and see approach.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. He Is Extroadinarily Conservative

but he's a Dem and I am sure he represents the will of his rural Mississippi constituents....

If he can use that his power to nudge those folks to the center he will be doing God's work....