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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:37 PM
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Tucker wants e-mails re how the leak hurt national security. Drown him
Edited on Wed Jul-06-05 08:46 PM by Pirate Smile
in them.

He doesn't think the Plame leak hurt National Security in any way. He doesn't even think she was a covert operative, nor laws were broken.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8063292/

The top graphic includes a link to "e-mail the show".
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:44 PM
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1. How about the foregin agents who worked with Plame who
were killed after she was exposed. No one is mentioning that...they're just talking about poor Judy.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:47 PM
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2. What proof do we have of that?
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:52 PM
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3. dont fall for his garbage
Dont email him. It only encourages him and makes him think hes popular
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:05 PM
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6. He actually isn't a Bushbot. He is a Conservative but not a Neocon.
I think he is reachable with actual proof and well thought out arguments but then again, I'm probably giving him WAAAY too much credit.

He doesn't have to tow the party line anymore like he did on Crossfire which he has actually complained about I believe.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:57 PM
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4. email him the Waterman Papers!
Unfortunately, I don't have it on this PC...
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 08:58 PM
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5. Screw him. He's not worth my time.
What a loser Tucker is.

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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 09:52 PM
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7. I was thinking of sending this ... whatdoya think?
Mr. Carlson,

Are you serious? Are you really asking how this Plame matter could have damaged national security?

Please. We are of somewhat differing political opinion and belief, but I know you to be an intelligent man. This question is rather disingenuous of you, I am certain ... because I am sure what I am about to share with you is, as they say, "old news".

First, Plame was not well known as a NOC. (Non-official cover.) Were that the case, she could have not operated in her cover. That cover allowed her to coordinate a large network of avowed and unavowed contacts and sources.

Having some personal experience in this world, I can assure you that the Novak article basically sounded the dinner bell. People associated with Plame and her corporate cover became the objects of the hunt. Recent articles state that some 90 people have been assassinated, an estimate I find optimistically low. Unfortunately, we must expect that a high percentage of the murdered were indeed innocent bystanders ... people who were not associated with Plame's covert operation in any way but were merely suspected of being so.

Now, you ask, exactly how did this harm national security? Oh, come on, Tucker! Are you really such a piece of white bread you cannot logically connect the dots? Are you really that ignorant of the ways of the world? Has your life been so insulated from the living, the bleeding, and the dying?

Let us count the ways.

1) A large network of covert operatives (many of whom exist in that very gray world between laws, not entirely savory types but professionals nonetheless) were compromised. Some number of them died. Given the size of the operation and the scale of the disclosure I suspect without proof that recent estimates of 90 dead are low, but you must concede it is a moral certainty that some number have died.

2) This network, assembled over a period of years and at considerable expense to the taxpayer, was charged with the important task of tracking sale of materials by which WMD may be made. A difficult and dangerous task under the best of circumstances, you must concede. Clearly, that critical mission is seriously impaired. But the damage only begins there.

3) As you point out, at this point Plame is basically a "paper pusher", meaning she is near the top of the network. Suddenly, tracking associations becomes much, much easier for the bad guys. The entire network is compromised. The guys in the trenches begin to panic. Because their cover was blown by the White House to accomplish petty political revenge, we must presume many of these guys harbor some resentment. Deals will have been cut, deals involving sanctuary in exchange for vital information regarding contacts, methods, techniques, and the state of current investigations. Bear in mind many of these guys have probably worked in more than one covert op during their careers. Thus Plame's network may not be the only operation exposed in reaction, and probably isn't. At this point, the potential damage starts to rack up in a way that is difficult to quantify, and that degrades the confidence analysts may place in the results of "neighboring" operations. More damage to the intelligence apparatus

4) The word on the street is out. The White House will sacrifice you on a whim. This makes it difficult in the extreme to develop reliable new networks. The damage to the American intelligence community becomes now incalculable.

5) And here is just the way it is, Tucker. Someone's brother, kid, friend whatever got whacked as a result of this, and they are even now screwing together their plans to achieve revenge. And this someone knows how we work. This someone probably received advanced military training from us. This someone is feeling abused, betrayed, and very, very angry. This someone, and there are actually probably several someones, is also highly capable and by nature of their work "morally flexible".

Was as much damage done here as by, say "The Falcon and the Snowman" case or the Walker case? Probably not, possibly, more. We were not actually at war in either of those instances ... we had more time and options to deal with the consequences. But both of those cases revealed fundamental capabilities and technologies, which this case probably didn't.

Notice the phrase, "probably didn't". It is difficult to be sure. But one thing is certain: It is bad practice in the extreme to deliberately and needlessly sacrifice your own intelligence gather apparatus. The survivors of such a debacle are on average the tougher, smarter, more morally flexible ones ... and they are definitely not your friends.

It is inconceivable to me that one could work in the White House and be ignorant of these consequences. These guys may not be the sharpest tools in the box but they are not that stupid. They knew the consequences, and they flapped their jaws anyway. Thus, an act of treason was performed in order to achieve a political goal. Hate to tell ya, Tucker, but from the viewpoint of many of us who have been on the bleeding edge, there seems to be only one appropriate response from our Nation to those who participated in this act.

A blindfold, a cigarette, and twelve cheap bullets ...


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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:28 PM
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8. It sounds good but do you have a link to a source for the part about
recent estimates of how many people have been killed from her blown cover? I doubt he will take it seriously without a link to a source.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:30 PM
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9. There was one here
and dammit I didn't bookmark the thread. Bad Rob. Bad.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:34 PM
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12. That sucks. I've done it before and you can search forever to try
and find something specific.

You may want to post a thread specifically asking if anyone remembers or has it handy. It might save you some time.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:40 PM
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17. Good idea
Thanks for the suggestion.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:45 PM
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18. If you don't get an answer tonight, kick it up tomorrow for the morning
crew. Good luck.:)
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:54 PM
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20. Thanks
I tried it in GD ... already 4 responses ... sounds like the article is not well researched. I shall edit accordingly.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:35 PM
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13. Does he have a source to his OPINIONS on how he believes that....
...exposing Plame did not hurt National Security?

Hey...you posted the link to which people can respond if they wish. Your job is done...butt out.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:38 PM
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15. Ease up!
Pirate is playing hard ball, straight up ... wants the facts checked and right. I have no problem with that, I'll find that link!

In the meantime, what did ya think? Did I make it clear?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:38 PM
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16. An opinion was asked for and I offered one. Chill.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:48 PM
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19. I believe it comes from Ray McGovern's site.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:31 PM
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10. Er, Tucker's going to have more emails than he does viewers...
Is this his inane way of figuring out how to get more viewers by the dozens?;)
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:32 PM
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11. First I want him to tell me how a
blow job hurt national security and warranted spending MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars on investigations and TONS of Congress' time on the proceedings that followed.

When he can prove to me that a blow job hurt national security and warranted all that, then we'll talk.

Otherwise, he's got NOTHING.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:36 PM
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14. he just got this from me
Tucker, tucker, tucker

but Valerie Plane was what is called a NUC, those are the most secret of agents

Now how ha this hurt National Security?

Will 69 deaths we know off, in her network suffice? How about the front CIA company set to track WMDs in the Mid East? Would that suffice? Maybe the fact that most of what she did nether you or I have the clearance or the need to know.

The hypocrisy is showing, by the way... and the fact they are looking for a second witness to the same act should tell you something.. read your copy of the Constitution... you will find it in there.

Sincerely,

A really annoyed American, the RIGHT only cares about one thing, and it ain't the country... so who is paying for your spin cycle.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-05 11:55 PM
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21. i'm just gonna tell him to shut up and listen to rachel for two minutes
eom
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:07 AM
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23. Please send your letter, it's great.
All this info is extremely confidential so they probably will never officially let us know the true repercussions of what happened. It probably has been catastrophic.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:02 AM
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22. Well I'm sure the Special Prosecutor will fold up the tent
and go home, now that Tucker has spoken.
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:30 AM
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24. If he doesn't understand how outing a CIA agent working on
WMD intelligence hurt national security, then he's too stupid to read anyway.
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:57 AM
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25. kick
kick
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:01 AM
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26. He's not worth the time
Bow tie boy can go fuck himself...

If he can justify this, he'll justify pretty much everything - and he has.

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:22 AM
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27. Kickin' for the late night crowd.
:kick::kick::kick:
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:25 AM
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28. ...
Tucker is a little panty waste... easily disposed of. Him and his news are next to meaningless. Seriously... he has no sack.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:13 PM
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29. kick
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:17 PM
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30. Who is Tucker?

And who cares what he says.

Total waste of time inho.

Maybe he can 'out do' Dennis Miller and get even lower ratings than a radar detector infomercial.

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