I don't know about anyone else, but I'm fed up

[SweetZombieJesus]

Not just with the the petty internecine battles about which candidate is the most electable or yadda yadda yadda, but with feeling hopeless, with waking up each day to find a new laundry list of crimes comitted by this administration, with utter and complete inaction, with feeling like an alien in my own country.

In a better world, we'd be building the gallows for these fucking criminals right now instead of flinging our own shit at our tribesmen. We'd be out in the streets every god damn day protesting these fuckers instead of sacrificing two or three hours a day from our free time to support a candidate who will just get slimed by the Bushies for their trouble.

I've got news for you people: Our troubles don't magically end IF (and it's a big if) we manage to oust Bush in 2004. There's no guarantee we'll even still have a country to lead by then, at the rate this administration is devolving the system. This isn't some problem our grandkids or great-grandkids will have to deal with, our government is going to go tits up before we know it. And all these god damn zombies we call our fellow Americans can do is sit there watching American Idol while Rome burns.

At this point, I don't care if I have to sell a kidney, I'm going to find a way to get off this sinking ship, because I have no delusions of nobility about going down with my beloved country. America left me behind before I was even born.

Feel free to flame me or try to cheer me up, or let this sink to the bottom in favor of your beloved candidate bashing idiocy.

[TioDiego]

1. I flame thee.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. If the voting machines are honest Bush(es) is done

c'mon, Kerry and Clark were BEATING Bush in the recent poll! The others were not far behind! That's it! we have turned the corner!

[SweetZombieJesus]

5. So what?

Whoever gets in will make a tiny misstep, and the whole cycle will start all over again. The first time our guy isn't able to clean up the mess the Bushies made, the right wing press will crucify him, and we'll get another fucking vampire Republican in there to suck what little marrow is left in our bones.

America's as dead as my father, the only difference is, with my father it was a complete surprise. I've seen this coming since Bush was installed. And I won't mourn the passing of this country even 1/100th as much as I have my father, because my father didn't bring it on himself.

[Cappurr]

3. I understand exactly how you feel

And I posted a similar post last night. I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is. Actually there are two of them. I took out the posters to whom I was replying to protect the innocent :eyes:



HIts just that there are so many really serious problems in the country....its so bad I don't even feel like it is my country anymore. And people would rather argue over whether Clark is a DNC/RNC/PNAC plant than how we are going to save our grandchilren (and particularly my granddaughter to whom I'm quite partial) from paying for this mess. How are we going to stop the corporate takeover of this country. And believe me, I wish the answer was as simple as elect Dean or elect Clark....but its not. The whole system is corrupt and the Democrats themselves have been a part of it. Trust me, if the people of this country don't act and act soon no-one in this country is going to be safe from disease, pollution, crime, poverty like you've never seen and other horrors I can't even imagine right now. Of course, the rich will be fine. It only the poor and middle class that need to worry.


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Cappurr (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-24-03 09:51 PM
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74. But you're not going to "find out" by posting a lot of right wing junk


I have seen worse slanders on Clark here at DU than I have in the RW media.

And changing the direction of this country is a lot more complicated than who gets elected president (altho when you have someone like Bush you are in BIG trouble). It is changing Congress. It is changing the lobbying practices. It is changing giving access to those who have big bucks and who are too damn greedy to share any of it with the little guy. They want workers as cheap as possible....so they go to other countries. Hell with the American worker. And they still get tax breaks. AND protection from the US (the taxpayer). Who the hell do you think is paying for all that "reconstruction" in Iraq and who is going to benefit from it? Three airports? Well, that should make it nice and convenient for Halliburten and other big corporations to fly in their private jets. And of course they pay the Iraqi's shit.

And while we pay taxes for their war which benefits them we can't even get health insurance in this damn country.

THESE are the problems. And NONE of the candidates are going to solve them. The only thing that is going to change anything is if the people of this country start marching in the millions to demand decency from their government. Right now all this corruption does is make people not vote....which is great for the Repugs.

Aargh. Rant over.

[clar]

4. I prefer to cheer you up

and I think, dispiriting as it is, your post is too important to sink to the bottom. As far as our nation goes, it's more resiliant than you give it credit for. Yes, it's dark days now, with more to come even if the dems recapture the WH, but that doesn't mean we won't get through it. And as for the relentless eat our own stuff, I sense a shift going on. I've watched several attack threads quietly disappear over the past few days. So, whether you bail or not, don't let things drag you down.

[Dhalgren]

6. No flames SZJ,

just a kick. And, sadly, I think your post is a window on reality.

[SweetZombieJesus]

8. Kick it all you like, it will just be ignored

Most of the people on this board would rather keep playing the political equivalent of Russian Roulette with each other, smearing each other's candidates, and just basically acting like complete playground idiots, as if this is some sort of game where there's a winner and loser.

We're all losers. That's the only lesson to be gained here. The Bushies will keep raping our country, and we'll keep sitting idly by while they get away with it.

There will be no impeachment. There will be no indictments. There will be no justice, ever. This country doesn't know the meaning of the word. The only real freedom is apathy and ignorance, and fear is the only ideal this country believes in.

Maybe America won't die, we'll just grow old and feeble very quickly, living in a fantasy world where we're still vital, idealistic young heroes who saved the world, when in reality, we'll be stuck in a home, up to our knees in our own shit.

I'm so tired I can barely think of anything remotely resembling a "future". There is no future anymore.

[nomaco-10]

7. I am in a constant state of frustration

as to what is going on in this country. Take away the "my candidate is better than your candidate" crap and watch the news, read the paper, surf the net. This country is in horrible shape.
I keep C-Span on all day and watch the house and senate in action. My rights are being taken away daily, my right to privacy, free speech, freedom "from" religion and my right as a woman to choose, and these are just the tip of the iceberg.
As for BFEE, they have done so much damage to this country and the world, it may take generations to turn it around. I won't be here long enough to see it, I am nearly fifty years old. For the first time in my life, I have actually entertained thoughts of leaving this country, and it hurts me right down into the deepest part of my soul to say so.

[MuseRider]

9. Well

I wish you peace and happiness. You are right about the press, they will slaughter us every chance we get, even if we get the fairness act back it will be hard, alway they will be there. However, getting a dem office will only be the beginning. That is why I am trying like hell to work for a guy who will help the change. Whoever it is has to be reminded of what this country needs. We will not be able to let down for a second, even if we win. Do what you must because you are right, this country looks nothing like it used to but it is our job and responsibility if we remain here to try to get it back on track.

[arcane1]

10. it will take DECADES to clean their mess up

and that's even if week had the House, Senate too!

and even then, the media whores will be giving our guys and gals so much vitriol that nobody will pay any attention anyway


I am right there with ya, SZJ, but I'm going down with the ship

[JanMichael]

11. Sadly you may be correct.

The damage being done to a complex Federal system is massive right now.

And it will only get worse over the next year. We're seeing a smash 'n grab robbery of the largest magnitude and unfortunately the masses are ignorant of it. Were they informed as to how badly they were being screwed the ropes would be tied immediately.

It looks as if they won't find out until it's too late.

It's sickening.

[kentuck]

12. I'm fed up with TV news....primarily cable.

Just watched Wolfe Blitzer come to the rescue of Ann Coulter. Matthew Miller, a progressive, called her on her comment that she was paying 50% in income taxes. As she was stuttering for a response, Wolfe said with state, local, property, etc, she was paying 50%....but that is not wht she said. She said income taxes. This is the kind of crap that turns my stomach.

[KFC]

13. General Clark is the cure

I'm looking forward to the General turning things around. Don't you worry, the future will be mighty bright with the General in charge. Bank on it.

[SweetZombieJesus]

16. So a guy with no previous fiscal government experience is going to fix it

all, eh?

A member of the military industrial complex his entire adult life =/= the guy I see "fixing" any of this.

You've missed my point entirely: Nothing EVER gets fixed in this country, it's only renamed. Clark will no more fix the problems caused by the Bush administration than Dean or Kerry or Kucinich. We're all screwed, and have been since before we were born.

[bicentennial_baby]

18. Actually

Clark was a staff member in the White House Budget office in the 70s at some point. Just so ya know.

[KFC]

20. Ah - a Presbyterian

I personally don't believe in predestination, but a lot of people do. To each his own.

[hiphopnation]

14. I also prefer to cheer you up.

As I also go through bouts of wanting to jump ship. I am an artist and a musician at that and, the music business being what it is in the year 2003, I am often tempted with the notion of fleeing to Paris like so many artists and writers did in the 20's and 40's.

Then I have to tell myself, if you can't muster up the hope that things can be better in THIS mess you're certainly not going to do it somewhere else. Sure, it may be a nice short fix, but in the end you'll feel just as dismal and hopeless about humanity where ever you end up if only for the fact that you were born in and live in the epicenter of the modern world. That's a disparaging thought in and of itself. In essence, the whole world will be watching what happens here.

So your only hope is to move to a remote island in the South Pacific or to The South Pole or something.

In short, keep the faith because daunting, overwhelming, and pointless as it may seem, you must keep believing that you are working for the over-all good, even if it's in the most minuscule of increments; even if it feels like you're getting nowhere; even if you want to give up.

You're right our troubles won't end if we oust the regime in '04. Indeed they will start anew. But it's all part of the good fight. Be proud that you're fighting for truth and justice and equality! That's a blessing right there!

Peace

[legin]

15. I don't know whether this helps

About 5 years as a member of a small voluntary organisation, I got involved in a scrap with the local council over a large cut to a service.

For about 6 months I obsessed about the issue, it was on my mind almost every waking moment, and then the wheels came off my trolley.

This sort of thing we are involved in now is emotionally draining and stressful.

Whilst my original scrap with the council seems to have built up my resistence, I still have my bad days, and I just say tommorow I will feel better. You got to take the view that this is a tough situation, every so often your body is going to have a bit of a whine about it.

Make sure that you rest properly, get away from politics for a while, that was one mistake I made the first time.

[quispquake]

17. Hang in there dude...

I agree...things look damned bleak...I have an eleven year old...what kind of future are we leaving for him? But I HAVE to be somewhat optimistic...Slowly Americans are waking up to what's going on to them (although there will always be the consumer-bots & assholes out there)...

I have to hope...I can't deal with the idea that all we'll be leaving my son is NOTHING...

Definitely hang in there...

[IrateCitizen]

19. I completely disagree

In a better world, we'd be building the gallows for these fucking criminals right now instead of flinging our own shit at our tribesmen. We'd be out in the streets every god damn day protesting these fuckers instead of sacrificing two or three hours a day from our free time to support a candidate who will just get slimed by the Bushies for their trouble.

In a better world, these criminals would have been shunned from our society a long, long time ago for their selfishness -- and therefore, would be on the outer fringes rather than in positions of leadership. In a better world, we would not resort to "the gallows" to deal with criminal behavior.

In a better world, we wouldn't need to protest these people, for the reasons outlined above.

What you are describing is the SAME WORLD that we live in right now, just with a couple of minor tweaks.

[TNOE]

21. In the word's of my beloved President

Clinton that is (just can't help it :loveya:) but I do feel your pain. God do I ever miss him and man, it is depressing. I feel exactly the same way so many mornings as soon as I wake up and will lay and worry at night. There are some sites that I must go to help myself and get my mind back into perspective. I think everything works in divine order somehow and we will see an end to this mess - not only an end but hopefully a much better, brightful new beginning of something greater.

Here is one site - granted, you have to be spiritually and intellictually inclined to get it, don't know if it's true or not, but it makes me feel good so what the hell. And for those of you naive enough to doubt the existance of other intelligent life out there - you won't get it and I'm not going to eve to try to defend it today. Not in the mood - don't like it, poo-poo it whatever, I don't care and your opinion will not affect me one way or the other. I CHOOSE to do what I CHOOSE to do. I'm tired and worn out today too. It shows.

But here goes: http://www.paoweb.com/sn092303.htm (latest)

[HFishbine]

22. Don't let it get to you

"flinging our own shit at our tribesmen."

That's a good analogy, but consider, the tribe is preparing for war. We know that come next summer we must send a warrior to the battleground to face the shit-slinging from the other tribe. We sling shit at our own warriors now to see who is the strongest. The last man standing will be bathed in the sacred community waters, dressed in tribal garb and sent to face the enemy. The tribe will rest easy knowing that we have done our best to send our strongest warrior.

[Toby109]

23. Speaking personally?

I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am. Thank you...

[Cappurr]

24. Nobody told you that you were sick and tired

And if the mass of Americans aren't concerned about the direction this country is going in its only because they are too busy trying to make a living, pay their bills and raise their kids in schools protected by metal detectors to educate themselves about the issues.

I have a feeling I've lived a bit longer than you. I was born just before Truman dropped the bombs on Japan. I lived through JFK's death, the Civil rights struggle, MLK's death, The Vietnam War (I was actually in Vietnam as a civilian) and Watergate. And I can assure you that was namby pamby shit compared to whats going down today.

[Toby109]

25. Just trying to inject some levity

to this thread. Ya know, laughing just to keep from crying. Sorry if that offended you. But I did live through Vietnam and Watergate not to mention Iran-Contra.

[Cappurr]

26. OK....sorry if I misunderstood

But I'm real sensitive right now about this issue. I have always loved my country and now I'm ashamed of it. And frankly, it hurts.

[ninkasi]

27. We are probably close to the same age

I was born in 1943, and you are 100% correct. I have never seen anything like what the right-wing is doing to our country. In the America I was born in, it would have been unthinkable.

What has been going on since Bush seized the presidency has been like watching a beloved family member die a slow, agonizing death. I am already in mourning.