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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:01 PM
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IMHO, Edwards Won The Debate
Edited on Thu Sep-25-03 05:01 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
He was poised....

He gave cogent answers

He's got the Clinton mojo......
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:06 PM
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1. I like Edwards...
He does have that Clinton charisma. Best looking candidate in the field, and his father, I believe, was a postal worker, as my dad was before he retired.

Common folk roots, good looks, populist charm...I will gladly support him if he gets the Dem nod...as I will any candidate in the present field who gets the nod.
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:07 PM
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3. that was him mom (postal worker)
Edited on Thu Sep-25-03 05:07 PM by Cush
I think his dad worked in the steel mills
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:08 PM
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5. His mother's last job was with the post office. She took it because they..
...needed health insurance.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:07 PM
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4. his mom and dad worked in a mill
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:06 PM
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2. I said it from the moment I first saw that guy
"This man is going to be our next president."

I think he just "has it." Although, he doesn't have my primary vote though. My opinion is people are just going to catch on to that guy. He'll be tough to beat once he gets going and the media catches on to him somewhat. If he doesn't win the nomination he's going to garner enough attention that he just may be the VP pick.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:09 PM
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6. Clinton didn't get my primary vote in 92, and I'm not going to make
the mistake again of not realizing who the winner was from the beginning.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:14 PM
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13. why not ?
why didn't clinton get your vote in 1992 ? and who did get your vote. i was like 13 at the time and wasn't into politics. i don't think i knew of clinton until he was declared the winner who would challenge bush. i do remember liking him though.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:22 PM
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20. Because I didn't think he was liberal enough.
I thought Jerry Brown was the most liberal (Mayor Brown has put the lie to that impression).

I suspect that the Democrats intentionally ran Brown to make Clinton look more moderate. I fell for it. I certainly did like Clinton a great deal once I took a look at him. The Rick Ray Rector and Sister Souljah stuff really bothered me at the time. I don't forgive him for the Ricky Ray Rector thing. However, I suspected the Sister Souljah thing was strategy, and subesequent events proved it was just that (Clinton ended up being phenomenal on the issue of race).
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:10 PM
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8. Not our next, I afraid...
but he WILL be President someday.

He does very, very well in these debates.

I think he'd make a fantastic VP candidate.
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synthia Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:33 PM
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24. if you hink he handles debayes well, wait till you see him
at a town meeting!! that's when i really got interested.
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:13 PM
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31. Yes, he does seem to have "it"
I think he comes across especially well when he is doing those town hall speeches, he seems totally comfortable with the people he is speaking to. Very genuine, IMHO. Thus far, I still like Howard Dean, but I would like to hear more from John Edwards. I guess time will tell.....
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:10 PM
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7. In my humble opinion, WE won the debate.
What an excellent forum for the display of our outstanding field of 10.

A Field of Dreams, it is.

We're all winners today,
Jennifer :-)
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:10 PM
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9. After Clark, Edwards is my favorite.....
but I also think they ALL (except one or two...) are great candidates.

It feels good being a Dem after seeing our team in action.....through DUers eyes and ears, that is!

:kick:
DemEx
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:14 PM
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15. Edwards
Ive honestly liked him from the beginning. I was looking at it from the perspective of who's got the mojo to beat Dunya's dumb ass. Technically a bag of wet mice could beat bush. If it wasnt for the idiotic mind set that most american citizens are known for i wouldnt be worried at all about this election.
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SEAburb Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:12 PM
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10. I agree, right answers and right tone
Clark did a great job, for being his first debate. Dean had his best showing in a debate. I don't think anyone had a bad showing.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:14 PM
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14. Yay! I'm so happy to hear this kind of talk!
It is wonderful to hear that everyone did well!

:bounce:
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janekat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:13 PM
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11. He's improved - he moved a slot in my book - after Clark n/t
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:13 PM
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12. Edwards does articulate the best arguements...
...maybe thats the lawyer in him.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:16 PM
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17. btw
I just want to give props to Al Sharpton who if it werent for the fact that most people would dismiss him immediatly would make a fine president.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:24 PM
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21. Al has got some sand
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im4edwards Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:18 PM
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19. you don't succeed in law if you can't sell yourself
and Edwards was very successful. And he does have the correct accent to win the White House.
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:16 PM
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16. ???? When was there a debate????
It wasn't last night; that was the Arnold Show. Was it during the day, today???
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synthia Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:36 PM
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26. all the prez cabdidates.......replated tonight onMSNBC
at 9 pm eastern
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:52 PM
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29. I can't pick up MSNBC. What about CSPAN???
Besides, MSNBC is a horrible place to air them. The media SLUTS there will tear up our guys!!!
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:17 PM
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18. He's good on domestic issues, not so good on the war. Your remarks
all seem justified; plus, he seems like an exceptionally decent guy.

I don't think he "won," but I have a good deal of respect for him.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:27 PM
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23. Think of this. Edward's vote on the war resolution is the 2004
equivalent of Clinton's failure to grant give Ricky Ray Rector reprieve from death sentence and his little dust up with Sister Souljah.

Clinton won partly because Republicans couldn't pull the Dukakis soft on crime things, and because he suggested there was a limit on how much he related to the black man (when, in fact, he governed as if there were no limits on his understanding of what it was like to black in America).

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:35 PM
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25. Nicely said
That "decent" and "nice" stuff actually goes a long way in elections, too.

Of course the jackals on CNBC made sure he wasn't even mentioned. Man, I hate Chris Matthews, he was super ugly. "Anyone who's listening to Bill Clinton is crazy." He was saying that Clinton didn't want a Democrat to win this time on purpose. My hatred of Matthews as a liar and a screeching bully are well-nurtured over time, but he was just a derision snorting hate-filled blowhard of titanic proportions this time.

But back to joy and warmth: Edwards is for real, and it shows. We need a person like this to heal the wounds. He's quick and honorable without being threateningly intelligent. No wonder Kucinich likes him. Did you see the Iowa steak-fry? He and Kucinich were hugging, laughing and chatting with each other with a true friendship. One is to be judged by the company one keeps.

Unfortunately, I only saw the last 40 minutes of this one, but he was very good when deliberately tripped up on the subject of poor foreign farmers wanting us to end our farm subsidies. He didn't duck it, did say that he wanted millionaire farmers taken off the dole, and went on to tidy up previous business.

I also liked your comment in a previous thread of his supporters being generally decent sorts. We do have at least one serious firebrand, but it is a bit telling: one's supporters tell a lot about a candidate.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:42 PM
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28. Edwards and Kucinich were hugging etc?
Edited on Thu Sep-25-03 05:43 PM by Wetzelbill
Damn, Edwards impresses me. If Kucinich likes the guy that much then he must be something special. Sure, some of us Super Liberals may be put off by the war vote, but people make mistakes and Congress was duped by all the administration horseshit. I see no valid reason to not like Edwards. None at all.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 10:32 PM
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35. Kucinich mentioned Edwards on "The Daily Show"
when asked who of the bunch he really liked. It was an interesting dynamic at the steak-fry: Edwards and Kucinich hacking around a bit while standing next to each other; to Kucinich's right was Dean, with no seeming connection. John and Dennis really seem to click, and one can see why: their basic human politics.

It's amazing how the press portrays Edwards as a centrist and Dean as a liberal; to my eye, the only candidates farther right than Dean are Graham (maybe), Lieberman and Clark. Edwards is a serious workers' rights guy, and believes in the system when buffered and bolstered with controls and safeguards. I completely agree: I'm pretty left, but I'm an avowed capitalist. There should be major regulation, safety nets and market substitution to cushion the thousand natural shocks, but there's no substitute for private property and capitalism for getting people out of bed and producing.

There's a core middle-class hero element of the celebration of what this country has almost been on occasion, and if it's portrayed uncut and truthfully, he's a serious winner. He's also a truly good person.

For those lefter than me, it's nice to note that he points out that one of his very favorite books is "The Trial of Socrates", by none other than that pinko agitator I.F. Stone. I'll bet Izzy'd like him if he was still around...
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synthia Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:25 PM
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22. months ago, like last spring i had a repub customer say
about Edwards, "i know that guy.....he's their new clinton.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 05:40 PM
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27. He has done well in every debate, but others also did well this time
I thought Clark did as well as he could have done.

I think that the only one's who slightly lacked were Kucinich and Braun

And I think Gephardt has been aweful all along.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:07 PM
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30. Well
I just try to pretend Gephardt and Leiberman
don't exist. So, 'nuff about them.

I agree Edwards was spectacular. So were
Dean and Kuchinich and Sharpton. Clark
was good. All in all they were a damn impressive
group. And as Rev Sharpton said (and I paraphrase),
we need to unite against King George.

"Eight lifetime politicians, an officer, and a
gentleman." Heh. Good one.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:52 PM
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32. Edwards has been terrific since the 1st debate in SC.
He's personable, telegenic, and in command of the issues. Don't count him out.
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Starpass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 06:56 PM
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33. How in the hell would you know---they only gave him like 2 questions
that's what I've been raging about all night. They cut Edwards, Clark, Sharpton and M-B basically out of this debate. Did you notice?? and really, also Kerry. They just kept going around the same loop and then sayig they were balanced. If I were an Edwards fan, I would have been furious.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-03 09:13 PM
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34. Yeah, really, he had to cram his whole deal into like 2 questions.
John Edwards did a fantastic job at handling quickly and succinctly the few questions he did get.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:04 AM
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36. If you read through the transcript, I think he got 5 maybe 6 questions...
...which he answered in single paragraph statements, and he was allowed no followup. You scan through the rest of the transcript, and you see the other candidates being engaged by the moderator and the questioners.

Edwards is going to need to make one of those "Boy from Hope" videos and he's going to need John Grisham to help with the script and maybe get Spike Lee to direct it, and maybe J.Lo can get a cameo. He's going to have to find some way to bypass the media that reaches more people than a town hall mtg.
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yaledem Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 12:11 AM
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37. Edwards has a DVD
If you to to his website and donate $10, you get a dvd with several "place called hope" type videos. I haven't seen it myself, but I spoke ot someone who did and they thought it was great.
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