London police issue 'stunning revision': blasts were timed to the second

[Bluebear]

LONDON - Police issued a stunning revision Saturday, shrinking the time between deadly explosions in the London Underground to just seconds, not 26 minutes as first reported, and saying the blasts were so powerful that none of the 49 known dead has yet been identified. They indicated as many as 50 victims were unaccounted for.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050709/ap_on_re_eu/britain_bombings_12

[undeterred]

1. "many bodies still lay buried in a rat-infested subway tunnel"

The families of those unaccounted for must be going crazy thinking about this.

[mwb970]

2. That tunnel must be a nightmare to work in.

I heard that there are just inches of clearance for the trains and nowhere to evacuate to.

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[dogday]

6. I just posted that

and I am thinking how weird that was. Coincidence? Did Rudy fly over there before or after the bombs in London?

[dogday]

8. Read this about Rudy

http://www.thesmedleylog.com/archives/160

Rudy in London
“… not to let these terrorists affect our way of life.”

Rudy Giuliani happened to be in London, not far from one of the blasts, when the attacks happened this morning — a coincidence he cited as “eerie,” among other observations he offered to the BBC.

Amid this day of shock, I recall many voices returning to the machismo that laced the air not long after the attacks of September 11, 2001. I remember hearing much talk about not letting the terrorists change the way we live.

They’re nice words, but as an ideal, they’re also unattainable — or if they are attainable, we haven’t done a very good job of living up to them. That’s not necessarily a critique of politics, though there were several changes that swept into our lives on the coattails of 9/11. Some of them were rather unpleasant. Many, to be fair, have been undeniably necessary.

But even in the best case scenario, was it ever realistic to think our way of life could remain unaltered?

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Giuliani addressed the Local Government Association on Wednesday

at their annual conference: http://www.lgib.gov.uk/news/2005/07-Jul-2005-2.html

[dogday]

5. Same way with the FEMA drill

when the towers fell?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. They had a pre-planned 76 station drill in NYC that day (7/7)

I can't find a link on the net yet but I heard it reported twice on local NY NBC news. The operation was called TOMS.

[dogday]

10. Anyone else seeing a lot of coincidences

and feeling really weird about....

[The Magistrate]

12. To Step Out Your Door, Sir, Is To Encounter Coincidences

On several occassions, for example, there has been a red automobile parked outside my front door; it is downright spooky, because an old girlfriend drove a red car years ago....

[dogday]

15. Bombings and Training at the same time

Plus throw in Rudy....

[The Magistrate]

22. Throw Rudy In What, Sir?

Juxtaposition does not equate to a damned thing....

[dogday]

26. You start adding up

all of these things and it starts to look weird to me and to others. Of all people to be in London the day this happens, Rudy, who just happens to represent 9-11...


Yeah, throw in Rudy and things look fishy to me...

[The Magistrate]

28. Start Adding Up What, Sir?

Any number of zeroes added together total up to zero still....

[dogday]

32. If that is all you see then so be it Sir

but I see more and I have a feeling the people who have posted here see more than you are willing to see.

[The Magistrate]

36. The Difficulties Arise, Sir

When people strain hard enough to see things that are not there that they convince themselves they have succeeded. You may have experienced, for instance, the dim swirling spots of color that strike the eye at times in a lightless room? We are pattern-seeking animals, Sir, and impose patterns on events whether or not they are actually there. justy like a man who is prone to violence must learn to moderate his perception that a situation requires violence, any person must be aware of this innate propensity, and wait for things to emerge of themselves, rather than commencing with a certainty they are present....

[dogday]

37. Do just look at my post Magistrate

look at others, and see that others feel the same way...

[The Magistrate]

39. And Many Others Do Not Feel That Way, Sir

Do not imagine you are in a majority here; you are not.

[dogday]

41. In a majority

I am adding up coincidences, I know I am allowed to do that. Have I posted any theories? I find it all very strange indeed, whether I am in the majority or not does not change the facts....

[The Magistrate]

43. And Yet, Sir

You seemed to be arguing your view should be given greater weight because some number of other persons agreed with you, and not with me....

[dogday]

46. Not really, I only know what I read and see

I could care less where I stand in the whole scheme of things.

[jsamuel]

29. Sir?

Isn't that just a little condescending?

Just a little?

[The Magistrate]

33. Why Do You Think So, Sir?

My idea of condescention runs along very different lines than formal address....

[jsamuel]

35. Hard to interpret tone from text

so, i guess it isn't, but it definitely can be interpreted as sarcasm. But that is what :sarcasm: is for.

[burrowowl]

17. I have never had any coincidences

nor meet anyone I knew in my worldwide travels. I am an exception to the 6-link thing.
However, I would suspect Negroponte of anything, the fucktard!

[The Magistrate]

21. Negroponte, Ma'am, Is A Damned Bad Piece Of Work....

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. I'm not surprised by this at all. In fact, it is to be expected. They love

to use the same modus operandi.

[The Magistrate]

25. Who Does, Ma'am?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. The same people who you don't believe were behind 9/11 and I am

not referring to "Al Queda". Any discourse between us would be futile as I don't believe we could ever see eye to eye on this.

.

[Sydnie]

19. I found a link the other day

but not in any of our papers or newscasts, even though CNN was reporting that fact all morning long, along with shots of the freeways that had come to a complete hault because of the drills.

<snip>
There were also increased precautions on New York City's transit system.

Earlier on Thursday morning there had actually been a security drill with armed officers entering the New York subway - although this was unrelated to the London attacks.
</snip>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4660939.stm


We were talking about that in this thread - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4043568&mesg_id=4043568

[dogday]

24. Thank you for this

Earlier on Thursday morning there had actually been a security drill with armed officers entering the New York subway - although this was unrelated to the London attacks.


Ok, now we are talking, this is from a reliable source

[Sydnie]

34. I am just glad someone else is thinking about it too

As you can see from my original post, I seemed to be the only one that had heard of these drills that day. Just seems so odd that those things ( the 9/11 hijack drill and the NY subway drill) were all planned on a day when those types of attacks happened.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. Link that mentions the drill in NYC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4660939.stm

US boosts security after attacks
By Matthew Davis
BBC News, Washington

Snip

Earlier on Thursday morning there had actually been a security drill with armed officers entering the New York subway - although this was unrelated to the London attacks.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. Another revision. Didn't CNN report that more than 3 subway stations had

explosions? They even showed a map with the location of the stations.

[The Magistrate]

11. Early Reports, Ma'am

Are often incorrect, and that was another case. It is generally wise to discount any reports emerging in the first few hours of a chaotic event. After all, the first reports had transformers exploding, yet no one is clinging to this to proclaim these later tales of "bombs" are merely a cover-up by the utility company and electrical manufacturers to prevent exposure of their shoddy maintainance and workmanship....

[dogday]

14. I certainly would be interested to find out if

they were having a drill in London the day of the bombing.

[The Magistrate]

20. Why Would That Make Any Particular Difference, Sir?

Such efforts are generally practices for the response of medical teams, and wiring in of communications. They have no effect on ordinary operations, and would not result in any particular lapse of security. In matters like this, Sir, a distinction needs to be drawn between a reported fact, such as the drill, and the speculation piled on top of it, by people such as the proprietor of Prison Planet....

[dogday]

30. but both being practiced at the

same time they were attacked. come on what are the odds, both countries having drills and getting attacked the same morning and the same time and just so happens here comes Rudy to reassure everyone.....

[The Magistrate]

38. Explain The Signifigance, Sir

It escapes me. Have you, for instance, any idea how frequently such drills are run?

[dogday]

42. Are you saying no coincidences occurred between the

two events?

[The Magistrate]

45. Coincidences, Sir

Are by definition insignifigant; if they were signifigant, they would not be coincidences....

[dogday]

47. Depends on the conditions and circumstances

in murder investigations, coincidences are sometimes all they have to go on. They look at them as there are no such things as coincidences.

[City Lights]

31. Here's something that may interest you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1915949&mesg_id=1916363

[bobbieinok]

40. whatreallyhappened says there was a drill...don't know how reliable they

are....I started a separate GD thread asking about this

this was published at whatreallyhappened in answer to one of the letters...

WRH: The answer is that there was an anti-terror exercise taking place at the exact same time and in the exact same stations where the bombs went off. Nobody noticed strange looking people with suspicious packages on the cameras because during an exercise, one expects to see strange looking people with suspicious packages.

is this true or is the response extreme sarcasm for whatever reason?? (eg, a play on the actual exercise that on 9-11 that 'explains' why there was no air response to the attacks)

[dogday]

44. Here is a reliable one

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4660939.stm

[helderheid]

18. 3 underground stations and a double decker bus - what are they saying now?

[City Lights]

27. The original report I heard was 6 bombs in the underground and 1

on a double-decker bus. Last I heard, 4 went off in the underground and 1 on the bus. They found 2 bombs in the underground that failed to detonate.

[muriel_volestrangler]

49. 3 in the underground, and 1 in the bus

Liverpool St.-Aldgate tunnel; King's Cross-Russell Square tunnel; Edgware Road station; and the bus in Tavistock Square.

The police say there weren't any unexploded bombs:

Scotland Yard also dismissed reports from the US that two unexploded bombs had been discovered.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1524566,00.html?gusrc=rss

[City Lights]

50. Thanks for the update!

:hi:

[kenny blankenship]

13. thank God it wasn't "successful", though -N/T

[Straight Shooter]

23. Maybe Rush would like to explain to London the threshold of "success"

Perhaps if hundreds had died and thousands wounded, Rush would have deemed the attacks a "success."

How stupid can the right wing be. :eyes:

[Swede]

53. I don't find if "stunning" at all.

It's only two days later after mass confusion,they are just starting a massive investigation.