I hate America

[salinen]

I'm the one all those freeptards are talking about. I despise what this nation has become. The good news, our constitution may one day be revived and take on the usurpers and grind them into theologic militaristic corporate dust.

What the "they hate America" crowd forgets is that this is an evolving nation. So sometime in the future, if things go my way, the freepanus will be depressed. And whenever freepfuckers are depressed, I'm happy.

[bitchkitty]

1. Get your priorities straight -

I love America - I've lived almost everywhere, and this is my home. I'll never leave here again.

I love America, but I hate the corporatists who do their evil in America's name.

[Bluebear]

2. So it's YOU that has been causing all the trouble!

Now we know. ;)

[geek tragedy]

3. I'm glad you're a minority around here. eom

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38. Please respect DU rules and leave me alone.

[TheWatcher]

39. GT, I'm hurt. After all we've MEANT to each other.

Can't we just kiss and make-up?

[JimmyJazz]

47. IMHO - your post is off topic and appears to be a personal attack.

I'm just saying.

[dave502d]

4. I don't hate America,I just hate the people that our fucking it up.n/t

[wallwriter]

5. I don't hate America. I hate what Bushco is doing to it.

I think your choice of posts is very poor. Some lurking freeper is going to glom onto your post and say, "On the DU, you actually have liberal wackos saying that they hate America."

I share your alarm and dismay. I even hate the wackaloon right in the same way you do. But I for one would never express hatred of my country.

[manic expression]

6. Point taken...

and I do respect it. The thing you have to look out for is that when you say "America", you mean everyone in it, as well as the natural wonders which lie inside of it. I hate the present course of America and its actions.

However, if people say that if you disagree with what is going on now, then you hate America, put me on that list.

[NightOwwl]

7. I love America...deeply and dearly.

I hate those who intentionally cause harm to our country, day after day after day...

[rzemanfl]

8. Hating America is hating real estate. It's like fighting "terrorism,"

not logical. You really hate the occupants, about half of whom are ignorant, nuts or had their votes stolen.

[KG]

9. amerka hater here, and damn proud of it!

:hi:

[JimmyJazz]

45. I gotta tell you that I don't know what that means.

What's to hate? I am deeply ashamed of many of the things our government has done, especially to those in South and Central America and the Middle East and I can't stand some of the jingoism that passes for patriotism, but I have no idea what it means to HATE an entire country, especially one with so much to offer.

[ChiDem]

10. In all fairness...

we elect our presidents...then they commit their crimes.

They could not commit these crimes if we never let them in office.

[Arugula Latte]

12. However,

Bush was not duly elected. A look at the evidence in Florida proves that. Gore would not have been perfect, but he would have been infinitely better than this band of thugs, fascists, psychochristians, and criminals.

[ChiDem]

19. Agreed.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. The idiot-in-chief has NEVER been elected.

He's NOT our president.

[JimmyJazz]

46. welcome to DU. I agree with you to an extent, but

unfortunately, we are limited to the number of available candidates based on those wealthy enough to run for the office. But, as flawed as our system is, at least it allows for change.

[CityDem]

11. Our country survived Nixon and Reagan

It will surely survive AWOL. It may take a while, but we will overcome the hangover this jerk off has caused.

[Tommymac]

15. But at least 1,752 American soldiers will not....

along with tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in *'s illegal war.

Bit more than a hangover.

[wli]

16. try 25000

Don't forget those who were crippled for these lies.

[bluestateguy]

13. Conservatives love America they way a four year old loves his Mommy

And the only America they love is the one of the 1920's: when women and anyone other than white males were second class citizens. Though they may never come out and say it directly, conservatives would be quite satisfied if we could go back to Calvin Coolidge's America once again.

And they bitch and complain as much or more than we do about this country: Gays have "special rights"; too much sex on tv; college professors are "poisoning" the minds of our young people; drugs and crime are going to destroy this country; abortion is "infantacide", etc. Please.

[uppityperson]

14. I hate a lot of American culture, and the current administration.

American Culture is a really broad term, but there is a lot in it that I hate. I hate the rampant consumerism, the idea that "we" are better than everyone else, that USA owns the world, that if you don't think like everyone else, wear the right costume, speak the right words, have the same values you are bad. Form and style over function. Work hard for new stuff when the old stuff works fine, or would work fine if it were quality rather than disposable. Praise my "lord" or I will look down upon you. I can oppress you because I am better than you because I oppress you. On and on and on.

This is what I hate. And the current administration and their practices as well as many of the practices of administrations past.

[BikeWriter]

17. I hate the chicken-shit bastids who have corrupted America...

FUCK THEM!

[nolabels]

41. If you really look at the whole thing it's kind of been that way all along

To the success or failure of propaganda is what you might be looking at in actual terms. There are few places in the time line of history where things are as they seem.

But having a beer to think about it can help on occasion

[sam sarrha]

18. despise the disease not the victim

[MadisonProgressive]

20. If I didn't love America, I wouldn't be here at DU.

[Zenlitened]

23. Yeah, really. It would be a lot easier to simply not give a shit.

It's caring that makes all this so painful, like watching a loved one turn into a meth addict or something. :(

[MadisonProgressive]

24. It's a real pisser, isn't it!

[arwalden]

21. Our Country As We Know It Now WILL NOT SURVIVE Another 229 Years...

If the fundamentalist Christians are left in charge this country will self-destruct, or crumble, or it will divide itself into two or three separate countries.

[RummyTheDummy]

22. Not the same country I grew up in

And I grew up in the 80s. Even some of Repub friends acknowledge this. It's changed incredibly (not for the better) since 9-11. That's why I think the terrorists have one. They delivered a festering blow to our democracy. Sorta like getting a splinter, then getting gang green, then you die.

[rzemanfl]

40. Could anyone else tell this poster grew up in the 80's? I sure

could.

[derby378]

25. Wait a minute...

America is more than the sum total of its laws and legislators. America is an ideal, a dream, a vision of the way things ought to be and could be in the future, a vision of a common brotherhood and sisterhood united in the pursuit of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and justice for all.

In short, I love America.

[mogster]

26. YOU love America

At least the same America that I love ;-)

I don't even refer to the Repubs as Americans over here anymore. They are Republicans, not Americans.

As for the Americans, I've come to respect and like them more and more. Comes with learning to know people, I guess.

[sellitman]

27. Canada is looking better every day.

I can't say I disagree. Look North and you see a big BLUE country that is multi-national and liberal. It's a move I am actually considering. The Neo-Cons have ruined this country. What is left to like about it? Geography?

[katinmn]

28. Nation of Assholes

listen to the mp3 in my sig line?

[Tesla]

31. FREEDOM!!!

Beauty!! I love America!!

My Grandpa stowed away on a boat from Facist Italy to come here and be a cowboy.
He became a cowboy. Rode the Pony Express from Dodge Ks. to Albequrque.

He fought for this country in WWI, he was in France, and watched his baby brother die on the same field, in an Italian uniform.
He also was mustard gassed, and had a steel plate in his head from a mortar.
He came back HERE!!

He wanted to do something about the Mafia, so he was an Agent in NY and Toronto, and helped get a biggie!

He wanted to raise a family, he settled down, married, had 4 kids, worked a 9-5, owned the neighborhood store, was a butcher.

He loved baseball, hot dogs and being free!!!

He had a beautiful garden, and he didn't have to worry about his children being kidnapped, or having to work like dogs in southern Italy for NO MONEY!

All for his kids were college educated.

I try to pass on his DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS he so cherished.

[greendeerslayer]

44. really?

Seeing how the Pony Express occured in the 1870s and the U.S. entered WW1 in 1917 I guess your grandpa was about 65 or 70 when he entered the military.

[Art_from_Ark]

50. Actually, the Pony Express only ran from 1860-61

which, incidentally, was about the same time that "fascist" Italy was being united under Garibaldi and King Victor Emmanuel. "Grandpa" sounds a lot like Commander McBragg

[Tesla]

54. It was just a mail run he did. got him out west and to Arizona for a few

and to Arizona for a few years.

[TheWatcher]

30. Depsise What is happening, Not the country itself.

Otherwise the Bastards have truly won.

[Solly Mack]

33. I love America so much it hurts. The hurt comes out sounding like hate

because of the anger and bitterness.


I don't love what America has become - but I do love what she could be...what she promised to be at one time.

I truly don't like, much less love, Republicans.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. When one understands what our government has done

for DECADES to other countries like Guatemala, Columbia, Panama, Indonesia, Jakarta, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Haiti, Iraq, Iran and ignoring humanitarian needs in Africa, the Sudan, Rowanda and Darfur.....*sigh*

It's then very easy to understand why we are hated by the WORLD. Other peoples of the world are MUCH MORE involved in what governments do, theirs and ours, and know what's been done. Americans are blind, self absorbed, busy buying the next new gadget, the next new gas guzzling car and have NO CLUE what damage the U.S. has caused around the world. It's easy to understand your sentiments. I can't say I'm a PROUD American anymore. :(

For those who haven't read the book "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins. Read it!

[Flammable Materials]

37. I love America ...

... the way that a woman loves her husband who has become an abusive alcoholic. But I've grown tired of what my America has become, and I'm tired of having my ass kicked on a near-daily basis by what my America has become.

I love America, but I think I need to start seeing other countries. And maybe taking out a restraining order.

[JimmyJazz]

42. I love this country. And, one of the things that I love the MOST

about it is the fact that you can write what you just did and not have a damned thing happed to you.

Yes - this government is fucked up right now. But, we don't have to stand by and watch it happen. We do have a voice. That voice seems weak right now, but it's a shitload more than what other people have.

Damn - that almost sounded patriotic, didn't it? Which is most odd, considering that I'm really not. :D

edited for clarity.

[Mutley]

43. I love America.

At least what America is supposed to be. I hate what has been done to America by RW fanatics. And I hate many of the things that America has done to people around the world.

[hiphopnation]

48. there's lots of "may be"s and "if"s and such

in your post. You think these things are going to sprout up magically as a product of your ennui and angst? Or anyone elses for that matter? Not likely. Action's the only solution. But I guess recognizing the problem is one step, but if you're unwilling (or too lazy to) act upon it then it's all moot.

[OnionPatch]

49. The whole love and hate thing about America

Is just another instance of the right trying to make everything an absolute, trying to make everything black and white. Before you can say you love or hate America, you have to define America. That's no easy task. There are so many aspects of "America" that one can simultaneously love and hate it.

Personally, I love the values our country was founded on, (freedom of speech, equal opportunity, rule by the people and not an aristocracy.) I discovered not all that long ago, that America has not always been the shining beacon of hope and justice that I believed it was. And I hate that. But I still love the ideal. I still love that so many Americans WANT this to be America regardless of whether or not we have achieved it. I hate that so many are pushing us away from that idea in this current political atmosphere.

I am outraged everytime I hear a rwer call us the "hate America" crowd, or the "blame America first" people. For one thing, it's just plain stupid. Why would half the people in the country hate their homeland? That people buy this is nauseating. Why would we even care enough to say anything, if we hate America that much? And notice that "hate Republican politicians = hate America." What nerve. It can be argued that they are actually the ones hating America, because it's always been very American to disagree with politicians. Even up until the last president (Clinton) every red-blooded American was allowed to, even encouraged to confront the sitting president. Suddenly dissent is not allowed and we must love our politicians as if they themselves were "America." This is not American. This is fascism.

Try explaining all this to a simple-minded right winger. I just tell them, no, I don't hate America, I hate what you would have it become.

[MadisonProgressive]

53. Great post - thank you!

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. I despise and loathe republicans!

America would be better off without these self serving, self absorbed and self righteous assholes.

[Mythsaje]

52. Hate America? Hardly...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4056937&mesg_id=4056937