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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:00 PM
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Do you go to right wing web forums, and if so, WHY?
I have no interest in what is going on at other messageboards. Why go there just to be infuriated?

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:03 PM
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1. I'm a mole on one...
...that I'll leave un-named, of course. It's fun to post stories there with a liberal bent-- as a winger, of course-- and watch their heads explode. It keeps their anxiety level high.
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:07 PM
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5. How in the world do you become a mole? n/t
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:21 PM
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14. I was once bitten by one that had burrowed under a toxic waste dump....
Now I have super mole powers....

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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:32 PM
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20. LOL! No seriously
how do you mole on a RW forum?

Dee
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:46 PM
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25. well, you register (preferably under a different user name)...
...and then post occasionally about things that make wingjob heads explode, like military recruiting troubles, or the refusal of young republicans to enlist, conservatives under indictment, and so on. Don't argue with them, and don't post from an obviously liberal perspective-- choose stories that are themselves anathema to wingers. The mayor of Spokane's troubles was an excellent story when it broke.

Be prepared for them to spin things in utterly irrational directions, and don't argue the points. Let them engage in hypocrisy all they like-- the smart ones will know it's bullshit, even as they engage in it themselves. Like I say-- it keeps their anxiety level high.
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:08 PM
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27. I also heard that if they are crazy enough
they can track you down and make threats. Like your IP and addresses and stuff.

I am not a hacker or even a computer geek but what do I do if something like that happens and how do I know if it is happening or has happened?

You get what I am talking about?

Dee
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:21 PM
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28. well, I doubt that it would ever amount to anything more...
...than a nuisance, but no one needs the hassle. More likely they'd just ban you if they caught on, much as they are banned here when caught. That's why you shouldn't arouse suspician by opposing conservative viewpoints when you post on wingnut forums. Just post as a fellow wingnut, but choose stories that make RWers question their own positions, or get defensive, or uncomfortable, and so on. Participate in the discussion a little bit so it doesn't look like a hit-and-run, and participate as a wingnutter yourself, but damning with faint praise whenever possible. Be subtle.

It's likely that one of our own lurkers or moles has found this thread, so my work here is done....
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:04 PM
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2. I went for a while
but found the freepers unable to carry on an honest dialogue. Lots of name calling, lots of vilifying the messenger, lots of putting you on the defensive. Lots of hate. Little of any substance. It wasn't good for my temperament, though, so I never go anymore.
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:05 PM
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3. old saying of keep friends close enemies closer
just to see what they are saying, i find it good to prepare for debates or other things going on
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:06 PM
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4. I listen to Limbaugh from time-to-time too...
It's good to see all sides of life, but I'll also say: "A little dab'll do ya." ;)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:31 PM
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19. ..although I've NEVER posted at such a site...
I can't imagine giving such a site my email address.. :scared:
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:07 PM
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6. I visit occasionally...

...to see if any information can be gleaned about upcoming talking points/etc. It sometimes pays to ponder their bullshit so you are ready with a comeback much faster than they expect you to be. It's a war of words, so why not wander around behind enemy lines since there's no risk in doing so?



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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:30 PM
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32. me too....found out about them since coming to DU...
I guess I'm a bit naeive...it's simply amazing to me to read some of their stuff.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:08 PM
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7. I go to several
mostly to keep up on the talking points being spewed.

To defeat your enemy, you must know your enemy.

I do not post on any as I've found that to be an utter waste of time.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:38 PM
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21. If I Want to Know the Talking Points
I just turn on a radio. Or watch some teevee. Or open a newspaper. Or go outside. Or talk to my neighbors. Or go to work.

If Karl Rove or Condi or whoever says something on a Sunday morning talk show, I will have damn well heard the same thing fifty times before noon on Monday, guaranteed. Then Rush comes on and even though I have NEVER listened to his show, I can guarantee that I will hear everything he has to say. I know this because my coworkers and neighbors will all say the exact same Republican things to me, word for word.

Nope, I gots no use for the right-wing websites.

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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:56 PM
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33. It's a matter of timing...

By the time talking points hit those other outlets they are at least a day old. FR and such are used as a sounding board to test them. Online you can see them when they are first dropped -- heck sometimes you can even see them develop, as I suspect that occasionally there are enough brain cells even there to rub together and the leadership keeps tabs on what's going on there to pilfer any ideas of merit.


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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:09 PM
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I wouldn't visit
such sites out of self preservation. Wouldn't want that vileness to enter my psyche.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:09 PM
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8. Forums, no.
News-related websites, sure.

When I was a teenager I knew that I wouldn't learn about Russia from the Baltimore Sun and network news; when I knew enough Russian, I subscribed to Izvestiya.

Conservative sites point me to news stories that I wouldn't have seen otherwise. Sometimes I find them pointless, sometimes they add an important piece to the puzzle.
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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:09 PM
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9. not at all
... unless a link is posted by another DUer ... then I wonder if someone was dropped on their head as I read the comments written about DU members
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Parakeet Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:11 PM
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10. Right wing forums
Went there once, last year during the campaign. Nauseating and hateful things were posted about Kerry/Edwards. I wish I was more mischievious and post something to flip them out.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:15 PM
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13. May I be the first to say
Welcome to DU!!!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:12 PM
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11. No, I don't. But I am kind of amused that others do...
I used to participate on boards that had members that were very vocal about being Republican/conservative, to the extent of being abusive to the others that didn't see things their way. I chose to no longer post in such environments.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:27 PM
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17. I used to participate on a board which had all kinds
I think I discovered DU through a link that was posted there.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:38 PM
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22. Really? Me too! Actually one of the blow hards there was
complaining about DU and how unfair they were for banning him for offering 'another point of view.'

The way he offered his other point of view was exactly what got him banned, I'm sure. One of those guys that has to name call and demean people.

I knew any site that banned that guy was a site I needed to check out. I've happily been here ever since. LOL!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:14 PM
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12. NO! NEVER!!! I read the posts here of what others found.
That's the most self abuse I'm prepared to do.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:25 PM
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15. I used to.
I used to post on the hannity.com forum in an attempt to shake things up. But I found those whackos just made me angry. I mean, they are really scraping the bottom of the barrell at that forum. Every other post is how we should kick out everyone in America except white christians.

Now I stay away from right-wing whacko forums. It's like beating your head against a brick wall. Well... Like this: :banghead:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:27 PM
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16. I was sent a link which went to a RW forum and...
they tried to get into my PC - the firewalls stopped them. Needless to say they didn't reply when I wrote to them.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:28 PM
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18. once in a while to check their reactions to things
once I posted the first-hand experince of a soldier during the fight for Baghdad. Remember that, when all those pickup trucks were driving themselves at the troops and the troops just had to keep slaughtering them? A soldier described how freaked he was how he had to just constantly mow these people down. For some reason I wanted to see what FR thought about it.

Another time, on a Freeper thread about how Kerry's using a Langston Hughes line in his campaign proved Kerry was a Communist, I posted a quote from Laura Bush honoring Hughes and asked if she was a Commie too.

Also for some reason I went there when the space shuttle was out of contact, and discovered that the Freepers knew shitloads about the Space Shuttle.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:20 PM
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39. Yes freepers are smart and good people.
Thanks for promoting them here.
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BushFungus Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:40 PM
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23. You guys should check out
http://rr-bb.com

Rapture Ready. Where all you need to do is post a few comments that criticize President Bush (or any Repub for that matter) and see your butt get banned REAL QUICK LIKE.
:headbang:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:53 PM
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26. jeez, now I need a shower....

"Springfield these are the equivlent of bible scriptures directly from the Muslims Holy books or Qouron You tell me the muslims are a peaceful group of fun loving understanding souls? They are even instructed by their holy book and mohamoud to lie to and make false deals with the infidel, definition being Christians and jews or anyone else that has not accepted Mohamoud as G-d's messenger, Until they are able to fully destroy thier enemy. The muslims will be the Tools of the antichrist"


:puke:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 09:46 PM
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24. Well, since I am Karl Rove undercover
Yes I DO!

Woops, I didn't knowlingly mean to say that!!!! Dam! :banghead:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:24 PM
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29. Karl sweetie...
you left your leather chaps at my loft.
Love ya,
Mr. Thrust (aka Jeff Gannon):evilgrin:
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:42 AM
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36. Oh Jeff
No body does it better! No body does it quite the way you do....baby your the best!!!!

Dam, I was missing those leather chaps! I will meet you at the Washington Monument tonight at 11:00! :loveya: Love ya more!
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:00 AM
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38. I'll bring the nipple clamps...
you bring the self loathing and KY.
Can't wait stud,
Love,

Jeff:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:
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The Jacobin Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:26 PM
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30. No, but
I do listen to quite a bit of right wing radio.

It's all we had in Dallas/Fort Wort for the longest time.

Now AAR is on in town, I listen to Randi. But I still flip around. Man we have them all: Limbaugh, Hannity, Tony Snow, Allen Combs, Bill Bennett, Bill O'Reily, Glenn Beck, Hugh Hewett, that bitch Laura something, Michael Medved, Michael Savage, and countless bible-thumpers.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 10:28 PM
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31. Hell no.
It gets me too angry, just reading it. My blood pressure spikes, and I can get that to happen with my real-world life.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 11:57 PM
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34. NO
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:11 AM
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35. When others post links to specific threads from the Freakfest
I might give them a once over if my stomach is feeling strong. I also gave RR a once over last night for the heck of it. There's another board called Chronwatch. It's like FR only it's smaller, liberal posters are allowed into the debate as long as they don't act like arses and the conservatives actually have received education past the eigth grade. I have posted there in the past. Other than that I ignore reich-wing forums.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 12:44 AM
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37. Yes
If you don't know what's going on in the right wing grassroots, you don't know what's going on in politics as a whole.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 01:48 PM
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40. No...
I haven't had my hydrophobia shots and I haven't been able to afford a new flea and tic collar since Clinton was in office!


HYDROPHOBIA (Gr. i&ip, water, and 4b~9o~, fear; so called from the symptom of dread of water), or RABIES (Lat. for madness ),an acute disease, occurring chiefly in certain of the lower animals,

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in the large majority of instances the dog is inoffensive in the early period of the disease to those to whom it is familiar. It then flies from its home and either dies, is killed as mad, or returns in a miserable plight, and in an advanced stage of the malady, when the desire to bite is irresistible. It is in the early stage that sequestration and suppressive measures are most valuable. The dogs which propagate the disease are usually those that have escaped from their owners. After two or three days, frequently in about twelve hours, more serious and alarming symptoms appear, ferocious instincts are developed, and the desire to do injury is irrepressible. The animal has an indefinable expression of sombre melancholy and cruelty. The eyes have their pupils dilated, and emit flashes of light when they are not dull and heavy; they always appear so fierce as to produce terror in the beholder; they are red, and their sensibility to light is increased; and wrinkles, which sometimes appear on the forehead, add to the repulsive aspect of the animal. If caged it flies at the spectator, emitting its characteristic howl or hark, and seizing the iron bars with its teeth, and if a stick be thrust before it this is grasped and gnawed. This fury is soon succeeded by lassitude, when the animal remains insensible to every excitement. Then all at once it rouses up again, and another paroxysm of fury commences. The first paroxysm is usually the most intense, and the fits vary in duration from some hours to a day, and even longer; they are ordinarily l)riefer in trained arid pet dogs than in those which are less domesticated, but in all the remission is so complete after the first paroxysm that the animals appear to be almost well, if not in perfect health. During the paroxysms respiration is hurried and labored, but tranquil during the remissior,s. There is an increase of temperature, and the pulse is quick and hard. When the animal is kept in a dark place and not excited, the fits of fury are not observed. Sometimes it is agitated and restless in the manner already described. It never becomes really furious or aggressive unless excited by external objectsthe most potent of these, as has been said, being another clog, which, however, if it be admitted to its cage, it may not at once attack. The attacked animal rarely retaliates, but usually responds to the bites by acute yells, which contrast strangely with the silent anger of the aggressor, and tries to hide its head with its paws or beneath the straw. These repeated paroxysms hurry the course of the disease. The secretion and flowing of a large quantity of saliva from the mouth are usually only witnessed in cases in which swallowing has become impossible, the mouth being generally dry. At times the tongue, nose and whole head appear swollen. Other dogs frequently shun one which is rabid, as if aware of their tianger.

The rabid dog, if lodged in a room or kept in a house, is continually endeavouring to escape and when it makes its escape it goes freely forward, as if impelled by some irresistible force. It travels considerable distances in a short time, perhaps attacking every living creature it meetspreferring dogs, however, to other animals, and these to mankind; cats, sheep, cattle and horses are particularly liable to be injured. It attacks in silence, and never utters a snarl or a cry of anger should it chance to be hurt in return it emits no cry or howl of pain. The degree of ferocity appears to be related to natural disposition and training. Some dogs, for instance, will only snap or give a slight bite in passing, while others will bite furiously, tearing the objects presented to them, or which they meet in their way, and sometimes with such violence as to injure their mouth and break their teeth, or even their jaws. If chained, they will in some eases gnaw the chain until their teeth are worn away and the bones laid bare. The rabid dog does not continue its progress very long. Exhausted by fatigue and the paroxysms of madness excited in it by the objects it meets, as well as by hunger, thirst, and also, no doubt, by the malady, its limbs soon become feeble; the rate of travelling is lessened and the walk is unsteady, while its drooping tail, head inclined towards the ground, open mouth, and protruded tongue (of a.leaden color or covered with dust) give the distressed creature a very striking and characteristic physiognomy. In this condition, however, it is much less to be dreaded than in its early fits of fury, since it is no longer capable or desirous of altering its course or going out of its way to attack an animal or a man not immediately in the path. It is very probable that its fast-failing vision, deadened scent, ,and generally diminished perception prevent its being so readily impressed or excited by surrounding objects as it previously was. To each paroxysm, which is always of short duration, there succeeds a degree pf exhaustion as great as the fits have been violent and oft repeated. This compels the animal to stop; then it shelters itself in obscure placesfrequently in ditches by the roadsideand lies there in a somnolescent state for perhaps hours. There is great danger, nevertheless, in disturbing the dog at this period; for when roused from its torpor it has sometimes sufficient strength to inflict a bite. This period, which may be termed the second stage, is as variable in its duration as the first, but it rarely exceeds three or four days. The above-described phenomena gradually merge into those of the third or last period, when symptoms of paralysis appear, which are speedily followed by death. During the remission in the paroxysnis these paralytic symptoms are more particularly manifested in the hind limbs, which appear as if unable to support the animals weight, and cause it to stagger about; or the lower jaw becomes more omless drooping, leaving the parched mouth partially open. Emaciation rapidly sets in, and the paroxysms diminish in intensity, while the remissions become less marked. The physiognomy assumes a still more sinister and repulsive aspect; the hair is dull and erect; the flanks are retracted; the eyes lose their lustre and are buried in the orbits, the pupil being dilated, and the cornea dull and semiopaque; very often, even at an early period, the eyes squint, and this adds still more to the terrifying appearance of the poor dog. The voice, if at all heard, is husky, the breathing laborious, and the pulse hurried and irregular. Gradually the paralysis increases, and the posterior extremities are dragged as if the animals back were broken, until at length it becomes general; it is then the preltide to death. Or the dog remains lying in a state of stupor, and can only raise itself with difficulty on the fore-limbs when greatly excited. In this condition it may yet endeavour to bite at objects within its reach. At times convulsions of a tetanic character appear in certain muscles; at other times these are general. A comatose condition ensues, and the rabid dog, if permitted to die naturally, perishes, in the great majority of cases, from paralysis and asphyxia.

In dumb madness there is paralysis of the lower jaw, which imparts a curious and very characteristic physiognomy to the dog; the voice is also lost, and the animal can neither eat nor drink. In this condition the creature remains with its jaw pendent and the mouth conseqtiently wide open, showing the flaccid or swollen tongue covered with brownish matter, and a stringy gelatinouslooking saliva lying between it and the lower lip and coating the fauces, which sometimes appear to be inflamed. Though the animal is unable to swallow fluids, the desire to drink is nevertheless intense; for the creature will thrust its face into the vessel of water in futile attempts to obtain relief, even until the approach of death. Water may bepourecl down its throat without inducing a paroxysm. The general physiognomy and demeanour of the poor creature inspire the beholder with pity rather than fear. The symptoms due to cerebral excitement are less marked than in the furious form of the disease; the agitation is not so considerable, and the restlessness, tendency to run away, and desire to bite are nearly absent; generally the animal is quite passive. Not iinfrequently one or both eyes squint, and it is only when very much excited that the dog may contrive to close its mouth. Sometimes there is swelling about the pharynx and the neck; when the tongue shares in this complication it hangs out of the mouth. In certain cases there is a catarrhal condition of the membrane lining the nasal cavities, larynx, and bronchi; sometimes the animal testifies to the existence of abdominal pain, and the faeces are then soft or fluid. The other symptomssuch as the rapid exhaustion and emaciation, paralysis of the posterior limbs towards the termination of the disease, as well as the rapidity with which it runs its course are the same as in the furious form. more...

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HY/HYDROPHOBIA.htm

I couldn't help but think about the queen of FReepers, dAnn Coulter when I was reading that!




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