Candidate A says everything you want to hear but he'll lose in 2004

[private_ryan]

meanwhile candidate B is a more moderate, don't agree with 100% of what he says but he'll kick chimpy's ass in 2004.

who would you support in the primaries?

Dean is A and Clark is B.

[goobergunch]

1. I dissent from your premise (n/t)

[Nevernose]

2. I already asked myself this one

And Kucinich was Candidate A, and Dean was B. I'm a pragmatic sort of guy, so I'll vote Clark.

But since when has anyone at DU been pragmatic?

[JohnKleeb]

4. got me I accept pragmatism

me well I am a revolutionary lol.

[mlawson]

3. GENERIC candidate B!

That is, Dean is not necessarily A and Clark is not necessarily B, at least to me.

[private_ryan]

7. well Dean seems to be leading (despite the latest Newsweek poll)

and you can't deny that Dean is more to the left (at least he's been framed that way).

I also excluded the ones who really have no chance, we know who they are.

[JohnKleeb]

9. FRAMED keyword

[JohnKleeb]

5. Kucinich is A I thought

[JVS]

6. Kucinich!

That's who I pick.

[JVS]

8. Incidently this thread is flame bait

[private_ryan]

11. and why is that?

we can't discuss strategy anymore?
If you can't take that someone likes another candidate the DK you shouldn't get involved in discussions.

[JVS]

13. Because you are just spreading the lie that nobody but Clark can win

and you know that people will flame you for it. Hence, flame bait.

[JohnKleeb]

15. oh thats your point

good one

[private_ryan]

17. that's a lie?

or an opinion? do you even know the difference?

as far as being flamed: bring 'em on!

[JVS]

19. Lie or opinion, either way it is not a fact, which is how you present it.

[private_ryan]

21. if it was a fact they would just my word for it and cancel the election

Just because you took it as such is not my fault.

[JohnKleeb]

14. I dont think thats the point

in fact JVS youre a recent convert to our side IIRC right, what I think JVS meant was that if you look at things Kucinich is the liberal "rebel" your candiate A.

[private_ryan]

18. see second sentence of post #7

n/t

[JohnKleeb]

26. We cant just say they dont have a chance

Thats the kinda talk that makes me *cuckoo* not really but its annoying.

[Renew Deal]

10. Clark, we need Bush out.

[AP]

12. In that situation, most voters are going to vote for Candidate B

so, if you vote your conscience, it won't make a difference. That's sort of what happened when I voted for Jerry Brown over Clinton.

The problem is when you've been fooled -- when time passes and you realize that Candidate B was actually the flaming liberal cloaking himself in moderation, while Candidate A was the guy pretending he was liberal because that was the only way anyone was going to pay attention.

Of course, it might have been that Candidate A's presense was only so that Candidate B could appear to be moderate -- Candidate A's candidacy was meant to help B attract moderates and center-right voters. If that's the case, voting for A early helps B, so long as A doesn't win.

It's all very complicated.

[JVS]

16. Candidate B might not really be a Democrat and has no record as such

[JVS]

20. gotta run some errands

I' sure there will be at least 60 posts and some good infighting by the time i'm back.

[kayleybeth]

22. I'm voting for

General Clark in the primary. My vote in the general election will go to whomever is the Dem candidate. After watching the debate I am more convinced than ever that ANY of these candidates would be so much better for the country and the world than shrub.

[gully]

23. Dean doesn't say everything I want to hear..and Clark hasn't said much at

all...

Granted he just entered the race.

[Enraged American]

24. Candidate A, hands down.

[ALoeppert]

25. The question...

is essentially:
Do I vote for the candidate that I like, or someone else?

It's a PRIMARY! Vote for the one you want to win. Of course the candidate that you WANT to win but WON'T VOTE for won't win... if all his/her supporters are just like you.

Now, if your primary guy doesn't win, you compromise in November because I don't think that anyone wants Bush over any of the 10 dems.

Incidentally, I'm not for your choice A.

Kucinich is my guy.