Breaking - Huff Post: Newsweek About To Nail Rove!!

[ruggerson]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/david-corn/explosive-new-rove-revela_3933.html

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I don't usually log on Saturday evenings. But I've received information too good not to share immediately. It was only yesterday that I was bemoaning the probability that -- after a week of apparent Rove-related revelations--it might be a while before any more news emerged about the Plame/CIA leak. Yet tonight I received this as-solid-as-it-gets tip: on Sunday Newsweek is posting a story that nails Rove. The newsmagazine has obtained documentary evidence that Rove was indeed a key source for Time magazine's Matt Cooper and that Rove--prior to the publication of the Bob Novak column that first publicly disclosed Valerie Wilson/Plame as a CIA official -- told Cooper that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife apparently worked at the CIA and was involved in Joseph Wilson's now-controversial trip to Niger
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And the Newsweek story is up!

What Karl Rove Told Time Magazine's Reporter

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek

[Melodybe]

1. God let this be true!!! kick kick kick!!

[lizzieforkerry]

2. I hope it is true!! "documentary evidence" scares me, though!

It sounds too much like a Rovian Scam.

[goclark]

4. Please don't bring on the Swift NBoat Liars again

America don't go along with his shell games again - please!

[orleans]

3. yeah! it's about time! n/t

[Scooter24]

5. GREAT!!

I see Rove wearing a nice shade of orange in the future

[inthebrain]

10. Rove is toast

And it looks like Bush is going next.

If this is look like what I think it looks like, this maay be a brilliant strategy employed by Democrats. If they get Rove in jail it makes it increasingly difficult for them to spin stories when impeaching Bush.

Its a domino effect and w/o Rove, the rights powerfull media mahine is relegated to what it was in the ninetes; An extremely massive and wastfull expenditure by Scaife!!!!!

[kevin881]

6. it would be like christmas in july if this were true. -nt

[lovuian]

7. got him on perjury!!! Now will Bush as for his resignation!!!

:bounce:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Heck, no! He'll stay the course just as he's always done........

...more grounds for impeachment, IMHO!

But, either way he goes on this, he's going to get slammed.

Gee...I wonder what Herr Busch said during HIS sworn testimony?

Is it posible that Herr Busch ALSO committed perjury? Hmmmm.

[FourStarDemocrat]

60. No, probrably Rove'll get the Medal of Freedom, knowing how bush operates

This is the no-accountability administration reporting for duty.

[Egalitariat]

65. Got who on perjury? When? I didn't see that in there***

nm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. Gee...I wonder who supplied that document?....

The CIA wouldn't have any reason to do that, would they?

Heh-heh-heh-heh!

[ruggerson]

9. If Rove Leaked her identity

Can there really be any doubt whatsoever that Bush knew that he did and that this White House has been engaging in a massive coverup of a felony?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Bingo! And it may go even farther than that...

...if the Grand Jury determines that the NeoCons outed Plame and her network because they were one of the last obstacles able to verify that Iraq DID NOT have WMDs.

[mahina]

15. See your notes on Watergate,

the coverup gets em, more than the crime.
I will dance when that horrible excuse for a president is tossed on his saggy white ass.
We're waking up...

[buddha8]

20. rove

IT will be a cold day in Hell when they get to Rove. Not possible. Heard this all before. To out an undercover agent and get taken down for it you have to prove intent and you have to prove that the leaker knew the position of the victim. And even if you can you must have a favorable political climate for a prosecution. The special prosecutor will either be fired if he gets too close as Archibald Cox was or the Media will bury the story on marching orders from the White House or some combination of both. Rove essentially runs political strategy for the Junta. Does anyone in their right mind beleive he is even remotely vulnerable? Are you the same people that beleived that Kerry was a 'fighter' and was principled and tenacious? Are you the same people who beleived that 10 million people in the streets in February 03' would prevent the Iraqi Invasion? The same people who still beleive that their vote is actually counted and that the elections of 02' and 04' were actually won by Republicans and not rigged by scanners and computer software?

Come out of denial. Facists make their own rules. They never play by the rules. And this country is being run by American facists. Since December 00'. Get over it.Stop dreaming. Stop hoping to be rescued by someone else or a dead system. You want to change the situation you are going to have to mobilize en masse and make your voices heard. King could do it. Ghandi could do it and countless others. Did they wait around and hope that a local,state or federal 'representative' would end their victimization? OR did they march spontaneously and often, sit-in,strike and civily disobey?

Incidentally how can anyone be so sure it was the shadowy Orwellian group Al 'Qaeda' that set the bombs off in London? It could just as easily have been black ops from out of the U.S. Who is now off the front pages? Who benefits politically? Who stands to profit from mass hysteria more than any other. And how the hell will the authorities ever prove that it was such and such a group using such and such a strategy. Are they going to find a Mohamed Atta's passport in the Tube somewhere to lead the really dumb ones on? Why the hell was Mayor Rudy just by coincidence in London on Thursday with Bush just up the road 500 miles. Think they have hopped all over this like it was an electioneering opportunity and photo shoot. Just who is pulling the strings here and how much reason does anyone wish to suspend in order to beleive these conmen. If they lied literally and openly about every other important event since December 00' and most brazenly about the Invasion why would anyone in their right mind give any credence or legitimacy to what either the mass media or the white house is saying now? Why? Why? Wake up out there.

[Goldmund]

37. Hm...

*scratching head*

[ruggerson]

38. Wheels of justice sometimes turn slowly

it took six years to get Nixon

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. Not many people here, if any

"beleive that their vote is actually counted and that the elections of '02 and 04' were actually won by Republicans and not rigged by scanners and computer software."

[JohnnyRingo]

12. Monday morning:

Yeah it's serious stuff......
But we're at war, see......and, uhhh....the terrists are watching the liberal media see.

And uhhhh...uhhhh if it looks like we're not all on the uhhh...same PAGE, the terrists WIN.

I plan to appoint an ...inves...PANEL, right after we WIN the war on terr.

That's why I'm the Commander in Chief.

[Scooter24]

13. and don't forget

another speech in front of the troops.

[JohnnyRingo]

22. HooRawh!

[darkism]

16. Hah! And that pig thought the London bombing was going to save him.

Rove, you are the weakest link.


GOODBYE.


(I've always wanted to say that :x)

[brettdale]

17. Please be true

That will make my year.

[ruggerson]

18. Newsweek Story Is Up!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek

[me b zola]

43. Ha!! Look who wrote the story!!!!

Michael Isikoff!! Hey KKKarl, put that in your pipe & smoke it :smoke:

[Cell Whitman]

19. we get to see how big a hold they think they have on the cult

see if Rush tells them it's no big deal.

McCellen should resign he has NO credibility.
Wonder who at the CIA said, "none of that Treasonous Republican BS here Karl"?

I hope Wilson is popping a bottle right now and grinning from ear to ear. No, not grinning, I hope he's rolling around on the floor laughing his ass off. He deserves it.

bringing a "new tone" to Washington. :)

FROG MARCHING TIME

[Bluebear]

21. Newsweek's revenge!

:popcorn:

[FreedomAngel82]

24. Yep

And it's out on my birthday too. :loveya: I do hope something happens. On the one hand I want to get excited after all these people have done but on the other hand I don't want to because nothing has happened to them so far.

[Bluebear]

25. Happy Birthday Angel!!!

[ruggerson]

26. Happy B'day!

Let's hope you get what you wish for ;-)

[globalvillage]

59. Happy Birthday!!!

Swell gift! You should write a thank you note, you know.

[enigmatic]

28. Boy, that's a great point

Dan Rather's got to be smiling about this..

[ruggerson]

23. Rove has been quoted as saying he didn't mention her name

Well who the fuck cares? If he outs Joe Wilson's "wife" to a reporter as a CIA agent, it doesn't take a rocket scientist for anyone to go figure out her name.

[Cell Whitman]

47. ruggerson, that little gem you posted there will

likely be hidden from the view of most for TV won't tell them. :)

I'd faint on the spot if Russert were to point it out.

Rush will tell the poddies that Cooper wasn't a good enough reporter to figure that out, so, no harm no foul. :)

[uppityperson]

27. hmm, this may get very interesting.

I would like it to be more directly implicating, the end of the story sounds like Rove did a coverup of Niger uranium, but not directly stating Plame's name. Unless I am reading it wrong which is possible after midnight on French/Irish creme.

[jsamuel]

31. Its the "name", stupid! (not the "knowingly")

He is still very smart. LOOK AT THIS HAND! THIS ONE!

(in the other is the "name")

I did not knowingly reviel her name

(doesn't mean he didn't say Wilson's wife)

[uppityperson]

33. aha

more bushlies, state the truth in a manner meant to deceive. And they complained about "is"

[ruggerson]

34. Exactly

what's the difference legally between telling a reporter that Wilson's "wife" is a CIA agent or that Wilson's wife named Valerie Plame is a CIA agent. It doesn't take any work for the reporter to find out who WIlson's wife is for Pete's sake.

This is Rove's "depends on what your definition of 'is' is".

He outed her. And there's no way he didn't know she was covert ops. No. Fucking. Way.

[Cogito ergo doleo]

45. He outed her all right

and like Rove was going to say, "Hey, Coop, I want you to out Joe's wife who's an undercover operative with the CIA!"

Reports say Cooper is a decent guy. Rove takes us all for fools.

[ruggerson]

53. what's disturbing is that the media often repeats Rove's spin

verbatim

[Cogito ergo doleo]

61. You nailed it -

Anchors quote the spin verbatim, as you say, throughout the news cycle, and those who know the actual story and are willing to speak it, don't get a chance to explain it until they are invited to be in a shouting match on a talk show. Traipsing through the “rovian” maze and trying to explain the finer details in order to illuminate the reality of a situation can't be done in a 3 second sound bite, and it doesn't help that show hosts harken back to the spin as the basis for reality. :grr:

[brettdale]

29. Do we Send this to all media

Now that the newsweek story is up, do we send the newsweek story to all media? This has to get out there, because in a few hours the hurricane story will take over.

[ruggerson]

30. heh - they all read newsweek, this will be everywhere tomorrow

[Bluebear]

32. Oh it will get out there!

Newsweek = no problem seeing the story! :toast:

[Hissyspit]

35. Nominated, Kicked, and watching my mail for my hard copy of Newsweek

just so I can hold it in my hands.

[Hissyspit]

36. Be sure and rate the article up. It's already third best-rate. n/t

[brettdale]

39. Remeber to rate the newsweek story up

The freepers will try and rate it down. So rate it up!

[Cogito ergo doleo]

40. He's is in over his head this time

No way this sorry excuse will wash:

"A source close to Rove, who declined to be identified because he did not wish to run afoul of the prosecutor or government investigators, added that there was "absolutely no inconsistency" between Cooper's e-mail and what Rove has testified to during his three grand-jury appearances in the case. "A fair reading of the e-mail makes clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity, but was an effort to discourage Time from publishing things that turned out to be false," the source said, referring to claims in circulation at the time that Cheney and high-level CIA officials arranged for Wilson's trip to Africa." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/page/2/

Clear? Oh Sure! And that's why Cooper insisted they not source the White House - and even went so far as to suggest they have another reporter call the CIA??? After all, the ONLY point Rove was making was that Wilson "lied" about the VP wanting him to go on that trip - and Rove didn’t want a direct statement to the contrary from the White House about that?????
:rofl:

[blogslut]

46. look closer

at that paragraph:

"A source close to Rove, who declined to be identified because he did not wish to run afoul of the prosecutor or government investigators, added that there was "absolutely no inconsistency" between Cooper's e-mail and what Rove has testified to during his three grand-jury appearances in the case. "A fair reading of the e-mail makes clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity, but was an effort to discourage Time from publishing things that turned out to be false," the source said, referring to claims in circulation at the time that Cheney and high-level CIA officials arranged for Wilson's trip to Africa."

Therein lie the neocon talking points.

"It was Wilson that was the liar. Karl was just trying to tell the truth. Wilson didn't go to Niger at the request of Cheney or the CIA. It was all his wife's idea."

[Cogito ergo doleo]

48. I got that

It's obvious that if the reason for the call from Rove to Cooper was only meant to clear up the alleged misstatements by Wilson that may have implicated Cheney's arranging for Wilson to go on the trip, then an official statement from the White House should have been preferred to secrecy, and at least, in addition to a statement from the CIA.

In that light, to say that "A fair reading of the e-mail makes clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity, but was an effort to discourage Time from publishing things that turned out to be false," is ridiculous.

[blogslut]

50. I know

Just pointing out the points. There's a catch to this fun bit of news. With KKKarl, there always is.

[Cogito ergo doleo]

51. Great points!

Sorry, I misread.

[ruggerson]

62. There's no way Karl didn't know she was covert ops

this is the right hand man to the Prez. And anyone is going to believe that he did not know what this woman did? It is ludicrous to think that any sane person would buy that.

[deacon]

41. This shows how important it was for them to manipulate the intelligence

or they wouldn't have been so incredibly vindictive--and I think that for sure they were using this "outing" as a shot across the bow for those who didn't want to walk lock-step in the pursuit of the Iraq War. I think this ties in with the DSM's--manipulating the intelligence and message to justify the war.

[togiak]

42. Okay, get this....

on another forum I'm arguing with a RWer about the Plame case and he is actually trying to argue that it wasn't Novak and the Bush admin that outed her but that it was her husband that outed her.

You gotta love these guys.

[psychopomp]

44. Please rate up the article at Newsweek!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[OneBlueSky]

49. things that make you go "hmmmmmm" . . .

just wonderin', mind you . . .

- who benefits from the removal of "Bush's Brain?" . . .

- could those who benefit be setting this up as a first step in bringing down Bush? . . .

- if so, who do they have in mind as his replacement? . . .

just wonderin', mind you . . .

[JohnyCanuck]

52. I agree; that's exactly what I have been thinking

Mike Ruppert predicted a couple years ago that since Bush was just a frontman to do the dirty work in launching the PNAC agenda and getting the US military into Iraq and in a position to control oil resources to help in dealing with Peak Oil, once the initial dirty work was done Bush would become more of a liability than an asset and would therefore be removed. His replacement would present a somewhat kindler, gentler front to the world but would still continue down the same path Bush has set under the guise that since we're in this mess (i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan etc) we have to stick it out and get the job done.

Beyond Bush Part 1

July 1, 2003 1600 PDT (FTW) -- Let's just suppose for a moment that George W. Bush was removed from the White House. Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz and Rove too. What would that leave us with? It would leave us stuck in hugely expensive, Vietnam-like guerrilla wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It would leave us with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and Total Information Awareness snooping into every detail of our lives. It would leave us with a government in violation of the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments to the Constitution. It would leave us with a massive cover-up of US complicity in the attacks of 9/11 that, if fully admitted, would show not intelligence "failures" but intelligence crimes, approved and ordered by the most powerful people in the country. It would leave us with a government that now has the power to compel mass vaccinations on pain of imprisonment or fine, and with no legal ability to sue the vaccine makers who killed our friends or our children. It would leave us with two and half million unemployed; the largest budget deficits in history; more than $3.3 trillion missing from the Department of Defense; and state and local governments broke to the point of having to cut back essential services like sewers, police, and fire. It would leave us with a federal government that had hit the debt ceiling and was unable to borrow any more money. And we would still be facing a looming natural gas crisis of unimagined proportions, and living on a planet that is slowly realizing that it is running out of oil with no "Plan B". Our airports however, would be very safe, and shares of Halliburton, Lockheed and DynCorp would be paying excellent dividends.

This is not good management.

Leaving all of these issues unaddressed is not good management either.

And this is why, as I will demonstrate in this article, the decision has already been made by corporate and financial powers to remove George W. Bush, whether he wants to leave or not, and whether he steals the next election or not. Before you start cheering, ask yourself three questions: "If there is someone or something that can decide that Bush will not return, nor remain for long, what is it? And if that thing is powerful enough to remove Bush, was it not also powerful enough to have put him there in the first place? And if that is the case, then isn't that what's really responsible for the state of things? George W. Bush is just a hired CEO who is about to be removed by the "Board of Directors". Who are they? Are they going to choose his replacement? Are you going to help them?

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

Beyond Bush Part 2

October 20, 2003 1000 PDT (FTW) --Since Part I of this series was published, the credibility of the Bush administration has - as predicted - been assaulted on a variety of fronts. W's approval rating has dropped below 50%. The Republicans are worried about whether he is re-electable. The political, military and economic situation in Iraq has worsened. The US economy staggers on the brink of meltdown, in debt and an anemic dollar. The reality of Peak Oil and Gas has been acknowledged in a number of mainstream publications including CNN, The Independent, and Jane's Intelligence Summary. Recent stories have confirmed reports that actual oil reserves may be 80% smaller than previously reported. The US has experienced the first of many major power blackouts yet to come. American military morale is plummeting as quickly as is its readiness for additional (inevitable) conflicts. And the military situation in Iraq and Afghanistan remains as dangerous, and uncertain, as Iraqi oil remains undeliverable.

The last development is perhaps the biggest of all the Neocon blunders, but it still accomplishes the primary objective laid out by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard: The oil and many rebuilding contracts have been denied to any powers "that might seek to usurp the US on the world stage". Even as the US has gone hat-in-hand to the UN asking for help in Iraq (and been rebuffed), it has made it clear that it intends to retain absolute control of Iraqi resources. Europe and Russia will not play that game. Oil in the ground is oil in the bank and, at least for the moment, by tweaking supplies and conflicts around the world, the US can maintain enough supply from other sources to keep the house of cards from falling. Within three to five years, that may not be possible.

The race now is to stabilize Iraq in time to rebuild the infrastructure, and bring its 11% of proven world reserves online. The US majors won't invest there until it is safe. On October 11, The Arabic News reported on a recent World Bank report stating that the reconstruction of Iraqi infrastructure would require four years and more than $50 billion (US). This is another reason why the Bush junta is in jeopardy. There are few left anywhere who believe that they have the cachet to pull it off. The oil companies have lost confidence in the oil men.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

[lonestarnot]

57. Stick it out and get the job done my ass! There is no job to be done....

we've already screwed the country we peremptorily invaded and now there is civil war in the cards whether we stay or go... get the hell out is the only option as our country is also going down the tube quickly... they're dragging us with them! GET OUT NOW!

[lonestarnot]

55. Wooo damn hoo!

[BushFungus]

56. Oh Yeah!

:kick:
:bounce:

Let justice be done and let the supporters of the Republican Party see how evil this man really is.

[BushFungus]

58. Pick up a copy of this book:

"Worse Than Watergate" by John W. Dean.

It'll really make you :think:

[Algorem]

63. This despicable diversion of attention from the hurricane will get people

killed.

[jazzjunkysue]

69. The Hurricane is Newsweek's fault!

Now, thousands of innocents will die, and it will all be Newsweek's fault.

I think this is called payback. Ouch.

[Peace Patriot]

64. Newsweek has been protecting Dick Cheney ever since Chandra Levy

disappeared. Cheney met with Condit on the very day, and during the very hours, that Levy disappeared and was killed. May 1, 2001, 12 noon. Two months later, and still no one--no reporter, no law enforcement--had questioned Cheney or his staff about that meeting, not even to verify that it had occurred, who was present and what was said. (The meeting was disclosed by Condit in June.) Newsweek then permitted Cheney staff to plant a story in its pages in early August giving Cheney's version of the meeting--a mere 20 minute meeting with other staff present, with routine political discussion, so they said. Three days after Levy disappeared, on May 3, Condit was one of only ten Democrats who voted for Bush's first tax cut for the rich--a very close vote in which Condit's support was critical.

So, Newsweek is a Cheney conduit, at the very least--having permitted the planting of what appears to be a Cheney cover story about the meeting with Condit (re: the length of the meeting, who was present and what was discussed). (Note: Condit had a 3-hour hole in his schedule that day, 12 noon to 3 pm; the only item listed being a meeting with Cheney at noon. His schedule for that week was released to be press in June.)

If Newsweek is going to out Rove, as this post (and others today) suggests, then I think it will mean that Rove is taking the fall for Cheney. (Everybody at first suspected that Judith Miller was taking the fall for Rove--but we'll see.)

I was trying to follow the political and skulduggery aspects of the Condit/Levy story back then. The news monopolies were wholly obsessed with the sleazy sex aspects, and no one was paying attention to this and other, far more interesting details. When Newsweek published the Cheney item on the meeting with Condit, I wrote them off as a news organization. The corruption that it indicated was mind-boggling to me. How could they permit that to be printed as truth, with no independent verification? How could they not be asking WHY no one had questioned or investigated that meeting?

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Added note: What I'm saying is, beware of Newsweek's part in this unfolding scandal. We don't know what they might be up to. (I frankly don't think they would be outing Rove without Cheney's okay. Or they may have some other ulterior motive--such as harming Fitzgerald's investigation.)

[zanne]

66. It's like that Damien movie!

Remember that movie where a US ambassador's wife gives birth to Satan's spawn? Then an old priest shows him pictures of people with mysterious rods going through their heads? Everyone so afflicted dies. (I just realized that I sound like a seventh grader trying to explain the movie I saw over the weekend). But seriously, does anybody know which movie I mean?

[proud patriot]

67. Wheeeeeeee !

:popcorn:

[osaMABUSh]

68. First line:"Time to get ready for the Karl Rove frog-march?"

That was the opening line in the blog...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/david-corn/explosive-new-rove-revela_3933.html