It's Sunday! Look at all the Christians that are being trampled

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

in their right to practice their religion!

Somehow they're on every local TV station and you can't throw a rock without hitting a church... I don't get it? What else do they want?

[undeterred]

1. Why do you need to keep making inflammatory religion posts?

Its really tiresome. :boring:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Ummmm.... Could you direct me to one?

Please?

[undeterred]

5. "My Posts"

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

13. I just checked them.... Nothing even remotely religious...

Try doing an Author search from the lobby with my name. I couldn't find anything.


Help me out here. I'm sure you wouldn't lie or obsfucate so I await your response.

[undeterred]

15. I don't see any links or arguments in your post

Just a broad brush hostile remark which wasn't worth posting in the first place.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

18. The only hostility here has been in your posts.

You make crap up and act indignant because someone pokes fun at the people who are trying to hijack a religion and a country.

Not very Christ-like.

[WilliamPitt]

20. I hope he forgives you

;)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

21. LOL... Al I have to do is ask and I'm sure he will, Will.

[undeterred]

23. There is no hostility in my post

I am so sick of the same topic day after day. You use the broad brush to tar all Christians with it. I am a Christian and I am not trying to hijack a religion or a country. Last week my denomination publicly announced that they support gay marriage and some of "those people" committed arson against that denomination. I am sick of being lumped in with "those" Christians by people at DU who should know better after thousands of posts on this subject.

Drop the broad brush. If you want to make an argument against a group of people, make it, and be specific.

[zanne]

4. Stop acting persecuted.

It's really tiresome.

[undeterred]

9. Here we go again

The Sunday morning religion bashing thread! Whoopee! So intelligent! So respectful! So much fun! Call out the "troops"! :sarcasm:

[phylny]

28. It's a shame there isn't a filter that will pre-empt the types of posts

similar to the OP.

It's beyond annoying.

[whatever4]

16. Tell that to my kids

While they wait on the bus, while the "good" children and teachers and parents participate in the annual "Prayer around the Pole", early in the morning. Tell me about how it's tiresome it is to read complaints from the non Christians, and I'll say, you didn't see the beady, hateful eyes of the preacher they chose to lead the prayer. Religious fervor was all over the guy, and it was intimidating as hell. What I saw in those eyes was nothing close to the love of Christ. Tell me how the separation of children in public school isn't persecution. Tell me how bringing that ugliness into the classroom helps.

Unless you're agreeing that their cries of persecution are crocodile tears. And then we'll agree.

[Maestro]

8. Well he has a point.

It's not inflammatory especially given some of the latest remarks by the religious right. They think that Christianity is under attack. It's not.

[whatever4]

19. They don't just think it, they SAY it, loudly

at every turn. Family values, as if their idea of family, being Christian, is correct, and somehow those not Christian are less family.

They don't just think it. They say it, loudly, to any and all that don't agree with them. I've heard it myself. They specifically say they are persecuted, here, in America. They believe the entire nation is theirs. They say that TOO. Every time. Christian nation.

Forgetting ALL ideas of freedom from religious persecution; they want freedom of relgion to be Christian. Period. Nothing else matters.

And this idiotic nation elected the fools. For that, I have no forgiveness.

[CrispyQ]

25. Family values =

MY family is valuable; YOURS is not.

I'm sick of that phrase. We are the party of COMMUNITY values, not just family values. We care for the whole, not just a few of the parts.

:hi:

[BOSSHOG]

11. Because I listen to American Family Radio about 1 hour a week

Constant whining about christians being persecuted and unending hate for anything non-christian. What is tiring is their lust for the destruction of the constitution and its replacement with the bible. Keep the spotlight on all those persecuted christians so at least we know what they are up to.

[zanne]

2. "What else do they want"?

Everything. That's the problem. As long as there is one person of another faith, they'll say they're being persecuted. If you disagree with them, you're persecuting them. It's a psych tactic that works pretty well. Tell them they're being persecuted, identify the enemy they can all hate, and you've got yourself a strong, loyal group of fanatics.

[BOSSHOG]

6. They are being persecuted

They have to smuggle their families into underground huvvles to practice their beliefs. Ministers must have armed guards 24/7. This is America, Christians cannot practice freely, just ask them. But you can't until about noon local time when all the big doors of the big churches are thrown open. You can then find all the persecuted christians at the all you can eat catfish buffets conveniently located right down the highway from their churches. Then they'll have to sneak home and hide from persecutors in their boarded up houses in front of their big screen TV's or out by the pool. Their lives have just been devastated.

[okieinpain]

12. you want to see some real fighting get a baptist, and a catholic

together and ask them to talk about god. man I almost started a riot with that one.

[devinsgram]

29. Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

[whatever4]

7. Yes, their rights are trampled beyond recognition

Their morals are at risk and their eternal souls in terrible danger...because those that disagree are free to say so. It's not that we're wrong to disagree with their religious interpretations, it's just that we don't belong HERE in their Christian nation. That's really what they think. But they see no similarity to the Taliban.

It's in the bible, so it must be right...and those "rights" are higher than the law of the land. I don't think there's many of them that would even argue with that statement, including the president.

[CrispyQ]

10. They want you & me to capitulate to their beliefs

& if we don't they want the right to imprison us or kill us.

Ok, that statement was a bit extreme, but I fear that some day soon, the zealots will be encouraged to turn in the names of those of us who do not attend church on Sunday.

[whatever4]

26. It's not as if it hasn't happened before

But, as usual, people will REFUSE to predict negative outcomes, and they will act fairly well SHOCKED when persecution becomes not only acceptable, but legal. It won't be a topic until then, and forget any discussions of the possibilities until then.

It's something I've noticed. These trends haven't been difficult to predict, but I've taken much heat and many rude posts over such discussions. Discussion of future trends, and what it means. As if such speculation is meaningless. I beg to differ. Always.

No worries over legal and tangible persecution of non Christians from these insane zealots? No, NEVER happen? NOT happening now, so shut up about it? I see that even here. Even here.

We're friggin sunk. Done. Down. Shit like this, here? There is no hope, abandon ship, I SWEAR, this is ridiculous. WE ALL KNOW the neocons are using the Christian religion to further subvert the constitution. Yet folks on here don't even want to TALK about it? I see posters here putting down others over the issue? Oh, it's not an issue now??

Please. I was raised a non Christian. This IS an issue in daily life, and for those of you that don't believe it, you're likely Christian. Safe for now. But only for now.

[acmavm]

14. If someone would please show me where any of these people are

'Christ-like', I'll maybe entertain the possibility that they are being persecuted.

Since none of these asswipes fit the bill, I don't think that's an issue that I'll be spending a lot of time on today. So I guess I can go back to trying to figure out what in the hell can we possibly do to make peace with the people in the Middle East now that we've indescriminately killed so many of them for no better reason than we wanted the oil under their sand.

[BushFungus]

17. Well I am a born-again Christian

and I think I see the point of the OP.

Recently I saw a discussion on that heinous Rapture Ready board where a poster made a similiar point. The poster's point was that Christians want to say they are persecuted all the time, but how can that be since we have prominent Christians in government and ostensibly a Christian President (although I think he is a faker)? That poster did not receive a very good response from other posters!

The OP likened this idea to seeing Christian TV programs on Sunday morning. Then I guess the same argument can be made. Any persecuted group is ostracized from the rest of the community and their rights are taken away. This is not happening with American Christians today.

I think there ARE important issues at play, but we can still worship freely.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. I'm tired of them trampling my rights

especially when I go grocery shopping on Sunday mornings and forget about their stupid drinking laws. I shop for what I need, when I need it with no regard to time or day. Then I get to the check out line and the clerk tells me, oh no, you can't buy those bottles of wine because its Sunday morning. That's when I take the opportunity to rant very loudly about how I don't practice the same religion and why should I have to abid by their ridiculous law. Its not like its really going to deter anyone from drinking on a Sunday morning. If I was an alcholic, I'm sure I would have enough on hand to get me through till 1:00 PM.

[kestrel91316]

24. Yep, yessiree, those poor Christians ..........

are being persecuted alright. Just last week we tried and convicted 600 of them here in So Cal and hanged them in the public square. And we have made sure to burn all the Christian churches to the ground. Oh, and all the gays and lesbians have unlimited rights to do anything and everything they want. And Satanists hold all public offices.

Uh-huh.

Corrected spelling error

[ltfranklin]

27. They're being inconvenienced, not persecuted.

They should take a look at the early Christian martyrs or Jews in Europe during the 30's and 40's if they want to know what "persecuted" means. They've lowered the bar quite a bit.

If I arrive at the bank at lunchtime, and the lines are long, am I being persecuted? No, I'm being inconvenienced. Look, when you are not allowed to worship in your own way under ANY legal circumstances, THEN perhaps you can say you are being persecuted. Until then, you are merely inconvienced, and in no greater way than any other religious group in the USA. Hell, probably a lot less inconvienced than Wiccans or Satanists, or even Jehovahs' Witnesses.

[Deja Q]

30. Total dominance, if not Mind control for dessert.

[Moderator]

31. Locking....

This is flamebait.



DU Moderator