The situation in Iraq is now officially out of control.

[janx]

Allawi is calling it the first stage of a civil war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1615305



The current government is calling for help from its neighbors, warning them that the violence will spread across borders.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1616473



And now French media are reporting that the bombs used in London are like the ones stolen from Iraq--full military munitions--at the start of the war.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4061784

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. Oh boy.

Just as we predicted. The ME is going to implode thanks to that warmongering bastard bush.

[justinsb]

2. What may come out of it though

is a muslim "republic" or something like it - uniteing the ME states (other than Israel) and making them a power to be reconed with (as well as the home of most of the world's remaining fossil fuel).

[janx]

4. Exactly. Funny thing, though--it doesn't feel too good to know

that we were right. :cry:

It feels like ____ to watch this whole thing unfold.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. I know, I know.

The lives that will and have been lost...:sigh: :cry:

[janx]

28. And not a peep from MSM, as far as I know.

To the average American getting news via television, not much is happening.

[BushFungus]

23. Well, they wanted a neverending war...

and you can't do much better than this.

[deutsey]

3. Fierce clashes in city of Talafar in N. Iraq

http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=750462

Don't know how reliable KUNA is, but http://icasualties.org/oif/ has this story posted on its site:

BAGHDAD, July 9 (KUNA) -- Fierce clashes erupted on Saturday between US and Iraqi forces on one hand and unknown gunmen on the other, in the city of Talafar, which is located northwest of Mosul, witnesses told KUNA.

The clashes had started earlier today, which involved the use of tanks, armored vehicles, and helicopter gunships, said the witnesses.

MORE

[janx]

6. "unknown gunmen" ?

Expletive.

[Botany]

5. MI 6 in England already had a report to Tony B saying that ....

.... civil war was not an if but a when in Iraq ......

26 million people 103 different factions 18 million of which want us
dead and or gone and we are going to control it w/ 130,00 troops.

when are the twins going?

[janx]

7. Right, but now we know. The WHEN is NOW. n/t

[Quixote1818]

12. Man would I hate to be one of the troops over their

it sounds like they are about to be caught up in the middle of chaos!

[janx]

14. From the sound of it, many of them already are.

(See post #3.)

[Botany]

15. I feel awful for them ....

.... i wonder how they really voted last fall? Kellog, Brown, and Root ( a
Halliburton company) handled the vote tabulation and transmission for
the military ...... I knew of one ship where 90% + voted for Kerry .....
funny has anybody seen the vote totals from the military?

[janx]

18. Yeah, the situation is deteriorating very fast, from what

these reports are saying. The fighting will become more intense and more confusing.

[Botany]

20. Billion curses on the slime that got us into this mess .....

From PNAC, to Fox news, to Dick Cheney w/ oil maps of Iraq on his
desk in March of '01 (Paul O'Neil), to Chalabi, and to that tool bush ....

In Feb. of 03 I heard an ex CIA chief from Iraq say:
1. Sure we could be in Baghdad in under a week
2. 103 different sides in Iraq
3. Iraq was drawn on a map by the brits in 1920
4. Not unless we gave real power and hope to the Iraqis quick
the situation would become hopeless PDQ
5. He would not wish governing Iraq on his worse enemy ......

NPR then had on a * talking head who said the guy just had
"sour grapes."

[janx]

21. Speaking of Chalabi--

Where is he, anyway? What happened to him?

[Botany]

22. Last I heard he was in charge of the oil .....

..... Gee, I hope he doesn't steal any $ ..... not like he had to escape
Jordan in a car trunk after looting the national bank ........

[janx]

24. In charge of the oil?!

C'mon... Who put him in charge?

[Botany]

26. I don't know .....

.... but with the new govt. he is the oil minister ....

[janx]

27. That is insane.

It's more corrupt than I thought possible.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. It hasn't been in "control" since the first GI crossed the border.

It's been a fiasco since ShruBubbya decided to expand his jockstrap with the blood of Iraqis and GIs.

It's only going to get worse. The whole region is unstable and a lot more unnecessary blood is going to be spilled in the name of patriotism and religion.

Rummy was being optimistic when he said, "12 years".

[HysteryDiagnosis]

9. Hey watch this.... I'm gonna outdo Poppy... yepper.... I am gonna

smoke Saddam right the hell out of Iraq and replace him with total chaos that is going to lead to who knows what... do I care? Naw, I'm gonna be famous.

[janx]

11. This is one hell of a mess that is going to last for many years.

:cry:

Many more innocent people are about to die.

[Inland]

10. "But NOBODY could EVER have predicted blah blah blah blah"

All those warnings before the invasion said all of that, plus most of everything that has occurred, was likely.

But the Bushbots continued to be surprised, again and again, by events.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. So what does that make us... thinking persons who KNEW where

all this crap was headed... straight down the toilet.... what does that make us? Seers? Visionaries? Or just people who have seen the past and know that repeating it, while expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

[janx]

17. The latter,

of course.

[janx]

19. Zarqawi link?

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Londonattacks/0,,2-10-1854_1735259,00.html

Washington - Investigators in London are probing whether Iraqi explosives - possibly provided by al-Qaeda's top agent in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - were used in last week's terrorist bombings, Time magazine reported on Sunday.

[janx]

25. Wave of attacks kills nearly 50 in Iraq

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050710/ap...


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