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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:18 AM
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Experts fear 'endless' terror war

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8524679/

New York and Washington. Bali, Riyadh, Istanbul, Madrid. And now London.

When will it end? Where will it all lead?

The experts aren’t encouraged. One prominent terrorism researcher sees the prospect of “endless” war. Adds the man who tracked Osama bin Laden for the CIA, “I don’t think it’s even started yet.”

An Associated Press survey of longtime students of international terrorism finds them ever more convinced, in the aftermath of London’s bloody Thursday, that the world has entered a long siege in a new kind of war. They believe that al-Qaida is mutating into a global insurgency, a possible prototype for other 21st-century movements, technologically astute, almost leaderless. And the way out is far from clear.

In fact, says Michael Scheuer, the ex-CIA analyst, rather than move toward solutions, the United States took a big step backward by invading Iraq.

'Self-sustaining' jihad
Now, he said, “we’re at the point where jihad is self-sustaining,” where Islamic “holy warriors” in Iraq fight America with or without allegiance to al-Qaida’s bin Laden.

The cold statistics of a RAND Corp. database show the impact of the explosion of violence in Iraq: The 5,362 deaths from terrorism worldwide between March 2004 and March 2005 were almost double the total for the same 12-month period before the 2003 U.S. invasion.

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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:26 AM
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1. Add Turkey to the list
20 hurt in bomb blast in western Turkey

Explosion in trash bin in major tourist center on Aegean Sea

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8530921/
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:28 AM
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2. Perhaps they should retake a history course conceringing terror
wars, they have always been and always will be while there are humans that continue to desire absolute power and allow greed to overtake their good sense...

Its nothing new..
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:22 AM
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7. this is no war
Waging war on an abstract concept is absurd except as metaphor. The "War on Terror" is a propaganda slogan, nothing more.

Violent political protest is nothing but violence with a veneer of political motives. Criminal investigative and prosecutory processes have always sufficed for such. There is no more "history of terror" than there is a "history of love" or "history of flatulence".
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:28 AM
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3. I thought an endless war was the whole purpose
Our nightmare is the neo-cons dream.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:33 AM
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4. Yes
Chimp created a boogey man a surreal reality but now the reality is coming true.
All this news all this garbage and attack on Islam and such not healthy. WTF US want to take on a religion. Now all those religious nuts suddenly has moral high ground. No idea where this will lead too. Not losing sleep on this, US and UK the flypaper on this.

Where the hell are you guys headed.
There is no targets, no country, just a lot of angry religious nutcase and whacko who willing blow themselves up to kill people.

No stoping them cause Iraq Afghan is living proof of injustice. They not fighting the military they cant. But they sure can hit and run for all eternity. All this greed pay for with so much griefs and innocents blood. Pure Evil.
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:09 AM
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10. GWB and his administration are the anti-Christ, effectively
- anti-life.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 04:27 AM
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11. Hey
:hi: London , whee you sure don't like Da Pet Chimp, its ok me too.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:34 AM
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5. True leaders would guard against terrorism behind the scenes
- not use it to scare the shit out of the citizens! Bush and his defense department buddies are laughing their asses off at us foolish citizens. We've allowed our government and our media to create an atmosphere of permanent fear called - "The War on Terror". Well guess what - they are the terrorists!

terrorism - the act of terrorizing; use of force or threats to demoralize, intimidate, and subjugate, esp. such use as a political weapon or policy.

- Webster's New World Dictionary
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:17 AM
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6. Emmanuel Goldstein fait accompli
The entire purpose of the sham was to create a perceived perpetual threat. The actuality of it is a mere inconvenience.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:36 AM
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8. YAYYYY!!!!

GO GO LOCKHEED MARTIN!!!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:32 AM
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9. I saw that on the crawl as I was clicking
and it gave me a start...

But then I remember the class I took about fifteen twenty years ago about Terrorism...

My prof at the time told us that Terrorism would be the way of the future since it's cheap, disruptive, effective, depending on your target, and also is borderless......

Smart Man that Dr. Govea
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:23 AM
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12. Fear is a primal instinct.
The Axis of Evil, the evil doers, the killers, the terrorists, the brutal murderers, hate Amerika and freedom. Bring it on.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 05:25 AM
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13. welcome, tocqueville...
ever run into 'those' people who'd rather bring dislocation onto others than to admit they are profoundly wrong :shrug: imo they are they who've brought us this endless notion of terror, sadly, yet another database would indicate their portfolios to be steeped in war materiels as well, not: http://www.renewables.ca/main/main.php or http://www.arcosanti.org but kevlar, death & viagra :eyes:
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