"I bet ppl that voted for Bush feel pretty stupid about now"

[GeekMonkey]

That is what can be heard if you pass me in a store, bank, or other public area as I pretend to talk on my cell phone.

I'm pushing the message that people will think you're stupid if you supported Bush. This is the kind of social pressure that works.

Social pressure, not increased punishment, is what took drunk driving from a 1970s sport into a 1980s evil act.

Social pressure is what has removed the 'cool' form smoking cigarettes.

Social pressure can be used to sell the truth.

Having it come in the form of an overheard cell phone conversation takes away the resistance people have of being 'preached to'.

I usually continue with "yeah, now that all the bad news is coming out about their scandals, most people are finally realizing that Bush and company are bad for America"

It's a small thing, but could be a powerful thing.

[LynneSin]

1. Unfortunately they hate Clinton too much to see their stupidity

:cry:

But as long as Bush does not receive a blow job while in the white house, these people will go on supporting him blindly even when the rest of us see the truth

[Hugin]

2. "as long as Bush does not receive a blow job while in the white house"

Who says he hasn't?

I think we should spend over $70Million dollars and 6 years
to find out. ;)

Might stumble on something else scandalous and go with that.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

27. There could be photos of Gannon...

going down on Smirk (just one scenario) and his followers would still support him. NJ what's-his-name in #3 below is a perfect example of someone who would turn a blind eye to it.

[Hugin]

32. I agree...

njrules... Probably a typo for "njdrools".

Perfect example of one who is lost to the truth.

However, they are a small minority. I don't get
what they think is being accomplished by posting
that tripe here. It only increases DU's traffic.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

38. "Your" right. LOL

I'm noticing increased hostility among the Kool Aid crowd. Perhaps "their" realizing "there" emperor has no clothes. Should be fun to watch "they're" meltdown!

[Hugin]

51. I read somewhere...

That in the final stages of cognitive dissonance victims
become extremely dangerous and agitated as their perceived
reality is suddenly stripped away.

Be careful...

I'd predict we'll see more of this and worse.

"Bright sunshiny day!"

[WorseBeforeBetter]

61. That's a scary thought.

I suppose it wise just to stay out of their way, although my first inclination would be to say "I phucking told you so!".

Yes, bright sunshiny..."serenity now"...

[AndyTiedye]

49. "Jeff Gannon" Sure Spent a Lot of Time in the WH

[fob]

4. Use that against them too! If they bust out their anti-Clinton cred then

"You must really be pissed that he's hanging with the bush*s so tightly then. Who's the puppet and who's the puppetmaster again?"

Send em into a tailspin.

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tanyev]

6. Welcome to DU.

enjot yer time heer.

[fob]

7. I hope I'm not too late for this. It's "You're" not "Your", Einstein.

[lateo]

14. You gotta love that troll...

who calls someone an idiot and uses incorrect grammar to do it.

Haw.

[kliljedahl]

23. Freepers can't spell either

Keith’s Barbeque Central

[fob]

24. Yeah, and this is a good one. Mistake on word ONE.

[Drifter]

29. You can't write stuff this good ...

I wonder if he is the Moran guy. Maybe he just got his first computer.

Cheers
Drifter

[uppityperson]

21. It is also spelled "enjoy" though perhaps it does "enjot" things?

[sinkingfeeling]

8. Sorry, we only listen to those who can spell and are above 6

years old.

[cry baby]

9. Bye-bye

[bloom]

12. I think you meant to write "you are an idiot" or "you're an idiot"

"your an idiot" is not grammatically correct.

[Clark2008]

13. You won't find too many DUers who support Hillary

Enjoy your stay here, freeper. It will be short.

:hi:

[Toots]

19. Feed the LIES

:shrug:

[Clark2008]

31. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean.

He wants us all to vote for Hillary and I told him she doesn't have a whole lot of support on this board.

No lie there.

[Toots]

40. You want to aid in bashing other Democrats that is your concern

Whoever gets the nomination for President will get my vote. Every single one of them are head and shoulders above any Republican but you seem to continue to drag some down into your mud pile. The freeper troll suggested his loathing for Hillary and you confirmed his belief as the same as ours. I don't agree with you even the slightest bit.

[trotsky]

47. I didn't see any loathing of HRC promoted by anyone but the freeper.

It's a simple statement of fact that not many at DU want to see Hillary run. Many feel sold out by some of the conservative positions she's taken. But I'm willing to bet that IF she runs, and IF she gets the nomination, she'll still get 95%+ of the DU vote.

[Clark2008]

50. Thank you. That is exactly what I was pointing out.

That the media is driving this alleged Hillary support by grassroots Dems, even though I, personally, see no evidence here or in real life.

However, I'm doubting she'll get 95 percent of the DU vote in the primaries. Maybe in the general election, but not the primaries.

[trotsky]

53. Oh yeah, that's what I meant.

95% in the general. If I had to guess at her support in the primaries I'd put it at 15% or lower.

[classof56]

15. Gee...another child left behind!

Stick around, njrules. Exposure to the truth will do ya good. So..welcome to DU!

[uppityperson]

17. Bye. Are they coming out in force today or was it just a 1-off?

Come on, you can be more creative than that, especially for your first post.

[In Truth We Trust]

18. Proud to be a fucking MORON!!!

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[In Truth We Trust]

28. Typical moron. You've been told once how to correct your grammar, but

like your stupid support for an asshole, you refuse to accept reality and correct a mistake. Go volunteer to fight in Iraq douchebag!

[uppityperson]

30. here's a webpage which should be of interest to you

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

by the way, "the" is spelled "the", unless you really meant "eh"

[bloom]

33. You are a perfect example of the Bush* voter... eom

[Hugin]

36. Dick!

Hey, man, long time no see.

How'd the ticker check out?

Do you have one?

[Bouncy Ball]

39. When you are trying to say "you are"

you write it as "you're."

When you are trying to use the word as a possessive, you write it this way: "your books."

Get it? Possessive: your, contraction for "you are": you're.

Now go write fifteen sentences correctly using the two spellings of the word and report back here with them when you are done.

[uppityperson]

46. Although technically the problem could be with the "an"

"Your an idiot" doesn't work at all. "Your idiot" would work if this poster is claiming to be our idiot.

I am your idiot. You are (you're) an idiot. Both of these are correct grammar.

[Midlodemocrat]

41. Buh, bye now. Don't come back, ya hear?

[Flubadubya]

42. It's "go fuck yourselves"...

If you're talking to us as a group. But it is "go fuck yourself"... from US to YOU!

[Bouncy Ball]

43. Oh and

shut the fuck up, asshole. Learn to SPELL.

[RandomKoolzip]

20. For an idiot, the OP sure spells better than you.

BTW....Aren't Dems "elitist?" So explain the "crack pipe" and "unemployment" lines, please.

Methinks you guys are getting confused; mixing up your made-up slurs is a sure sign of that. You can't decide if we're crack-smoking poor people or limousine-riding elitists anymore!

On edit: here's the post which will be deleted soon:

njrules (1 posts)
Mon Jul-11-05 11:13 AM
Response to Original message



3. your an idiot







Well idiot, I am proud I voted for him and not Kerry, too bad he cannot run again, he would win again too. Please vote for Hildabeast so she can run your party down the drain.I proudly tell people of my vote, I voted for my future and my kids future. enjot your4 unemployment checks and crack pipe, loser


Those mature, adult conservatives are at it again!

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. You voted for your future and that of your kids?

By voting for bush**? :crazy: Typical MePublican, it's all about you, isn't it?

[countingbluecars]

34. Please tell me you're not

home schooling your kids.

[saracat]

35. And he and his administration have done a lot for you haven't they?

Did you get a tax cut? I doubt it. I hope you are enlisting or sending your kids to fight since the Iraq conflict is so important to you and you are "proud". What are you "proud "of? The Chimp in chief can't remain upright on a bicycle or sofa, let alone lead a nation!

[GeekMonkey]

37. i probably make more money than you do, dipshit

i'm a software engineer, and, yes, i would like fries with that

[tanyev]

5. Bee-yoo-ti-full idea!

I will have to try it sometime. Has anyone stopped to argue with you?

[tubbacheez]

10. I agree with your point, though cell calls really don't work for me.

A lot of Bush voters I know have really mixed feelings. Nobody likes to discover they've been fooled.

So I don't rub it in, though sometimes I really want to, and I know they'd rub it into me if the tables were turned.


I give people straight sensible talk. I let 'em know that most progressives and liberals are really on their side. I show them we have better plans for living together, not at each other's expense.

[GeekMonkey]

45. the thoughtful types you describe have already left the GOP

I'm trying to reach the sheep.

Bush/Cheney is not the only shephard in town.

[tubbacheez]

54. Maybe in your town that's true.

I'm still getting decent results with the folks I run into.

From what I can see in my immediate sphere, some thoughtful types have remained with the GOP, either hoping to take it back from the neo-cons or otherwise enjoying being on the "winning" team regardless of views.





I am also somewhat surprised that your "overheard" badgering is reaching these "sheep" you find out and about.

But hey, if it's working for you, great. You recruit sheep. I'll work on thoughtful ones. And maybe together we can deliver some serious votage in 2006 and 2008.

Rock on amigo!

[GeekMonkey]

55. It's not so much about selling them

as making them think a little about their own party line

most bush supporters I have met are not very informed and they just 'go along with the crowd'

my goal is to make 'the crowd' not as single minded as it is in their mind

ppl fear ridicule, and this is a great way of confronting their beliefs without confronting them personally, which makes it more about the idea than about them

i see the looks i get, and that tells me it is working

even if all i do is get them to bitch about what i was saying to their co-workers, it creates an opportunity for discussion. they may just tell a coworker that will say something like 'well, i voted for bush, but he sure has turned out to be less than i had hoped'

[tubbacheez]

56. We're doing the same thing from different angles.

For those who voted Red just to be part of the mob, I like showing them how our mob is better than their old mob.

Really, there's a lot of different personalities out there. No one method is going to persuade all of them.

In fact, the ideal argument is an ad hominem argument (meaning "to the man"), in which you make your conclusion fit into the other person's priorities and values. (This is unrelated to "ad hominem attack", which is a logical fallacy.)




Get the joiners. We need their votes too.

[leveymg]

11. Not so long ago, someone who walked around talking into his sleave

was assumed to be nutz. Today, he's a subscriber with a plan.:eyes: :tinfoilhat:

[whatever4]

16. NICE one! I run my mouth in public too.

Piss them off, make them think, whatever it takes.

I also target Christians, because like it or not, this admin has used them, and when he falls, he'll likely take much of that comfortable conservative attitude in this nation down WITH him. Give Christians a bad name, eventually far worse than he already has. Just another fear to give them, a realistic fear.

Forget prayer in school, you people. Any and all OTHER religious beliefs will look better than Christianity before this admin is done. Siding with this admin has done more damage to Christianity than anything else I can think of short of the crusades. With as many as they may have killed and ruined in this war, and with depleted uranium perhaps having far reaching effects for many generations, they will be remembered as vicious killers of other religions. There will be so many mained and disfigured people to remember them, for generations, for potentially millions of people.

I don't think they're going to recover. Christianity is DONE. I'm so sorry for my Christian friends. They think things are going well for them, at least, aside from all the other problems. They think, well, at least it's Christian. They're happy with their Christian president. But sadly, in the end, there won't be much to hold your head up about being Christian.

Persecuted forevermore. As they always say they are. A self-fulfilling prophesy?

It's going to happen. It's just a matter of time. Amen.

[Drifter]

26. Gives Me an Idea ...

Set up number that people can call (small fee perhaps).

When it answers it feeds you something to say. You simply repeat outloud, what you hear on the Phone.

Cheers
Drifter

[Bouncy Ball]

44. Don't let anyone tell you not to do this.

Keep doing it. Hell, I'm going to start doing it. Great idea.

Free country, free speech, EXERCISE IT.

[GeekMonkey]

48. Thanks for the support!

I don't limit my topics to just Bush. I talk about the folly of the drug war, the selfishness of SUV ownership, etc.

Example:

"Hey man, you find me a car yet?"

"That's not a car, that's an SUV"

"No way, I live in the city, having an SUV would be stupid!"

"I don't care about the gas mileage, it's about cornering"

"I don't want to be the asshole holding up traffic while I have to stop to take a right turn"

"Find me an old 3 series beemer, those corner great and I won't have to look like an idiot driving a 4x4 truck on pavement"

"Maybe if you gave it to me for free, but then I'd just sell it and buy something that makes sense"


but then again, im an asshole, i like to piss ppl off when it's a good cause

[mmonk]

52. Forget it

They're too stupid to feel stupid.

[seabeyond]

57. Social pressure can be used to sell the truth.

and used to sell the lies.

dui
smoking

the social pressure is a huge lie born to create such massive fear that the truth isnt visible anymore

as with many things the republicans do with exactly this method.

liberals arent christian
not family oriented
evil
feminist bad
muslim bad
gays bad
blacks bad
mexicans bad
french bad

[GeekMonkey]

58. It's a tool, and like a hammer, can be used to build

homes for the homeless, or to beat the homeless to death.

I propose using the tool for good.

[seabeyond]

60. homes for the homeless, or to beat the homeless to death.

you.....
are so right on

[GreenPartyVoter]

59. LOVE it. What a great social experiment. *g*

[baby_mouse]

62. Thats CHEATING

And so you should have spread the tactic via word of mouth rather than on this message board. :-)

Mind you, I guess the chances of a lurking Freeper calling you out over it in public are fairly slim... Besides, there are any number of permutations of this one...

[GeekMonkey]

63. I'm not a small guy, I doubt any chickenhawk freeper is

gonna challenge me on what he overhears.

I will make it about him listening in on my phone calls and publically embarrass him with my witty retorts

[Lilith Velkor]

64. Corporations do it (undercover marketing)

Why not you?

I highly recommend the documentary "The Corporation."

[GeekMonkey]

65. Great flick

I recommend it to everyone.

I also recommend playing the cell phone game. It's fun.

[Jack Rabbit]

66. If you jump over to the FReak show, you'll see a lot of people in denial

I'm pushing the message that people will think you're stupid if you supported Bush. This is the kind of social pressure that works.

It's too late for those who supported Bush; therefore I suggest the following alternate message:

People will think you're stupid if you are still supporting Bush.

Offer them the hope of redemption. It's never too late for a sinner to mend his ways.

[Bouncy Ball]

68. Good point, indeed.

Always leave room for redemption.

[raysr]

67. The stupid fucks

that voted for Bush are obviously too stupid to FEEL STUPID!