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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:27 AM
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Why Does Karl Rove Still Have His Security Clearance?
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 11:29 AM by leveymg
If he were anyone else, it would have been taken away the second the WH security office learned about his role in the Plame matter, and he would have been out the door.

Wonder whether he's been questioned. What did he say, and was it under oath?

Why aren't our leaders asking these questions?

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:31 AM
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1. For the same reason Jeff Gannon had unlimited access to the WH...
Rove and Co. run the joint!

It's pretty hard to take the keys away from the owner of the house. You know?

TC

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jjstopes Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:34 AM
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2. Here is the answer.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 11:41 AM by jjstopes
Because nothing has happened yet. Thats why.

Until there is an indictment everything stays the same.

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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:43 AM
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3. If a police office is suspected...
...of misbehavior or even if he or she fires a gun in the line of duty, that office is taken off patrol.

When a teacher is suspected of abouse and other behavior that affects his or her job, that teacher is taken out of the classroom.

I would expect no less for those who work in the White House and who have access to very sensitive material.
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jjstopes Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:55 AM
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6. Fact of Life
You can't compare a cop to someone in the presidents inner cricle. If we could every single politician would be in prison right now. This is Karl Rove, not some $30,000 a year person living in a 2x2. Even though you hate the man, that doesnt take away that he wields power. Those that have power are treated differently - because they buy there way out of it - or influence there way out. Its just a fact of reality.

Just like Michael Jackson hanging his kid out that window. If anyone else did that Dyfus would be in there in two seconds to take those kids away.



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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:17 PM
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12. No hate for anybody.
This is Karl Rove, not some $30,000 a year person living in a 2x2. Even though you hate the man, that doesnt take away that he wields power.


I don't hate people. I don't know Karl Rove. I do hate what the current administration is doing to my country.

So the powerful should be treated differently? Your arguments make my point. There is enough out already, that Karl Rove should be kept out of the White House for now, before he's able to buy or weasel his way out of the mess.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:47 AM
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4. Not true. You don't have be indicted to lose your clearance.
You just have to present a threat of unauthorized release of classified materials. There's plenty of cause to believe that. If I were in the WH security office, I would be demanding Rove's keys.

In fact, if the security office doesn't make that demand, they should be investigated. Anybody in the FBI or SS reading this, please pick up the phone and call your colleagues at 1600 Penn.

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jjstopes Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:59 AM
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9. No you wouldnt.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 12:01 PM by jjstopes
No you wouldnt because if you took Karl Roves keys, they would fire you and give back his keys. You think its just that simple to go in there and say .. sorry man.. gotta take away your clearance... you know what kind of shit storm that would cause? Karl Rove cant work without his clearance. You would have to fire him. The White House would never fire Rove over an email, a reporter and what we post here. It would be a PR killer and the White House wouldnt deal with that. Short of a confession on Karl Roves end .. The White House will back him up.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:05 PM
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10. I believe the duty security officer could do that on his/her own.
I think it unlikely that person would be fired. Think about it.

In fact, under these circumstances, it may be mandatory.

If the issue gets raised by someone in a position of visibility, they will have to do that. We should all be raising hell about it until someone hears us.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:50 AM
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5. When did he receive his special clearence?
I do not believe he had any clearence when this was done..
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:59 AM
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8. Rove has a security clearance. He can't work without it.
He is a demonstrated threat to national security. He shouldn't even be in a secure area, such as the office areas of the WH West Wing.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 10:48 AM
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13. When this leak happened all Rove was, was a Political Advisor
He had no official title and NO CLEARANCE. Now he is Officially Assistant Chief of Staff and has Proper Clearance. But when this leak occured he had none.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:56 AM
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7. "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? "
"For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
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fugwb Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:12 PM
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11. Yeah you're right-who the hell are we fooling. We may as well
give up now and just let whatever happens happen. Not like anyone cares to change it anyway. Hey we loose cause bush will always win. He could light babies on fire on the White House lawn and everyone would cheer and call him a hero. While we're at it lets go ahead and give up lights and electricity and start using candles again. Thanks george.
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