If Rove was Cooper's source-then who is Miller's source

[dogday]

any ideas?

[wtbymark]

1. the guy/girl that Rove told to call Miller

[wryter2000]

2. Chalabi?

That's only a half-joke. But couldn't Rove have told them both?

[dogday]

4. Why is she in jail if Rove has been exposed?

seems to me it would be moot to be in Jail if you source is already outed...

[Jack Rabbit]

8. No, it wouldn't be

The other side of the coin is that Fitzgerald cannot assume that Mr. Cooper and Ms. Miller had the same source; we shouldn't assume that they did not, either.

[dogday]

10. Not to mention Fitzgerald wants it on the record

even when he got Cooper's notes, he still wanted the testimony from the horse's mouth so to speak. My guess is he wants her to reveal this for the record...

[wryter2000]

18. According to O'Donnell

I imagine you can find a better explanation on www.huffingtonpost.com, but according to O'Donnell, there's more going on here than the identity of who exposed Plame. They probably want her testimony on other matters, too.

I wouldn't be the least surprised if she isn't in trouble for other things here. She's been in the White House and Chalabi's pocket for a long time.

[gWbush is Mabus]

3. ROVE, but

in that case, he actually used the words "Valerie Plame"

thus, his lame-ass excuse is invalid, so she can't talk about it.

[w13rd0]

13. Ooooh...yeah...

...that could be it...

[GOTV]

16. Is that really the difference...

... betwen legal and illegal?

If he said "Valerie Plame is a CIA agent", that's illegal, but "Joe Wilson's wife is a CIA agent" is not illegal?

Had they all been in the same room would it be ok to point directly at her and say "She is a CIA agent"?

Does he have to use both names? Can he say "Mrs Plame is a CIA agent" and be safe?

It seems like the kind of verbal game playing that might work in the press and the heads of Bush fans but not in the legal system.

If I knew of a large stash of US weapons in Iraq that were only minimally guarded would it be legally OK if I told Al-Qaeda where it was as long as I indicated the location of the facility without using it's actual name? Like using latitude and longitude?

[Walt Starr]

5. I'm guessing Cheney

:shrug:

[blm]

11. That's my guess. Miller sure was Cheney's PR Dept during the leadup to war

Cheney and Chalabi knew exactly what they were doing....and Miller did, too. She just expected that their collaboration would be kept quiet.

[dogday]

12. Be just like that coward

to let this woman go to jail for him....

[Just Me]

21. My guess, too.

However, the practice is supposed to include more than one source. I am thinking Libby and Cheney. Maybe, I am shooting for those two 'cause I know the whole friggin' administration would come crashing down if they are her sources.

[Walt Starr]

24. I'm just guessing, mind you

but my guess would be for most, Libby and Rove were the two sources because they are not linked as Libby works for Cheney and Rove works for Bush.

But in Miller's case, I woould guess either Rove and Cheney, or just one source which would explain why there was no story.

Just a guess, and the truth of the matter will be revealed in due time. Fitzgerald is on this case and is not letting go until he has completed his investigation.

[NVMojo]

6. Bush or McClellan?

[TriMetFan]

7. Cheney

[Snotcicles]

19. My moneys on Cheney n/t

[johnfunk]

9. One of Miller's many neocon-orbit intelligence folks

The explanation at http://cardcarryingmember.blogspot.com/2005/07/conspiracy.html makes the most sense to me.

[Zen Democrat]

14. Why do you assume it's not Rove as well????

Cooper got the release from Rove because Time, Inc. released his notes and emails to Fitzgerald. He had to fess up at that point. The press would really go after him for letting Cooper go to jail once it was officially known that Rove was his source.

Now, with Miller, there was apparently a much closer relationship between Miller and the administration than there was with Cooper. Judy, after all, had been carrying Bush/Cheney water on WMDs in the quick run-up to the war. Miller probably has much, much more incriminating information on Rove, and may be part of the overall conspiracy.

So just because he "had to" release Cooper -- he didnt' have to release Miller. And who knows how much Miller knows.

[dogday]

25. Because Novack described two Senior White House Officials

there has to be someone else besides Rove...

[LynneSin]

15. Georgia Tax Payers

Oh, you're talking about Judith Miller, not Zell Miller?

Zell Miller pocketed tax dollars for 'entertainment'
RAW STORY


Notorious conservative 'Democrat' Zell Miller has been caught with his hand in the taxpayers' cookie jar - sort of, Lenore Skenazy writes in his column in today's Macon Telegraph. Excerpts follow.

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When this nationally famous figure left the governor's office in 1999, he pocketed more than $60,000 in taxpayer funds earmarked for entertainment and other expenses at the Governor's Mansion, WSB-TV investigative reporter Dale Cardwell revealed last week.

Miller also picked up a check for more than $20,000 for "unused leave"-a sum to which he was not entitled as a constitutional officer, Cardwell also reported.

[dogday]

17. Is that for real?

Give Em Hell Zell In Jail....hahahahahhahahahahah

[LynneSin]

26. Yes it is - story is at rawstory

:D

[skip fox]

20. Indictment implications concerning number of original sources:

One or more indictments for Rove is nearly certain. One or more indictments for one or more high-ranking administrative official is likely.

The logic is very simple:

If Rove acted alone he made at least SIX calls (six reporters were contacted). Repeatedly and deliberately telling national reporters (at the least) that the Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and "arranged" his trip to Niger shows he KNOWINGLY exposed her identity (it was far from a slip or even a lapse), whether or not he used her name or knew she was covert. In addition, if he was the only primary caller, he would have had to arrange for confirmation by at least one other administration official at least THREE times (for Novak, Cooper, and Miller). (Since he could not control who the reporter would call for confirmation, he likely arranged for three or four others who would willingly--and "knowlingly"--confirm the story.) Therefore he CONSPIRED to expose a CIA official (since he knew the result of his leak would lead to exposure).

If Rove was the only primary source, however, that means he released Matt Cooper from his confidentiality agreement but he did not Judith Miller from hers. The logical reason is that his leak to her included a much more obvious case of illegal activity. Rove's hope, then, is that such a case will never be known. But with the national attention on the Plame matter and, especially, a tenacious and objective prosecutor tracking him down, Rove has little hope (especially with the fact that he had to have done this SIX times and arranged for at least one other to support his story THREE times).

But if Rove was one of at least two or more sources (which would explain why Cooper's released him but Miller's did not release hers), then it's far worse for him since he probably coordinated the entire leak with both planning and foresight (two elements which again indicate that he KNOWINGLY leaked Plame's identity).

Any administrative official originally realizing the Wilson-Plame-CIA link would immediately realize it could discredit Wilson, but much more importantly he would have known who to take the information to, the master of such discreditations (among so much else), Karl Rove. Rove would then insure that the leaks did not overlap and that at least FEW other officials could be counted upon who would readily confirm the information of the original sources (perhaps each having different details or a different slant to make it sound realistic and not a set-up), since he could not insure who the reporter would call for a confirmation.

How do you do ANY of this UNKNOWINGLY?????

Think of the possibilities! At least two indictments for Rove (leaking Plame and leading a conspiracy to leak) and likely indictments (leaking Plame) for other high administrative officials: Rice, Cheney, Libby, etc. Maybe even W.

[seabeyond]

22. i like the connection to cheney

when this first broke i got the distinct impression it was cheney and rove. bush sittin there rootin it on. all the arrogant bullshit laughing of, show em who the boss is

[proud patriot]

23. My guess is the office of the Vice President

most likely Scooter Libby