KARL ROVE IS TERRIFIED OF DENNIS KUCINICH

[MIMStigator]

Not really but he's terrified of Gen Wesley Clark. Discuss.

[ronzo]

1. you got me.

Ol' Wes certainly has stirred things up, hasn't he. Attacks on all fronts. Did anyone think he was a little heavy handed in his clarifications when the panel gave him shit for being vague? He sure did seem to shake Insana up.

[MIMStigator]

2. Don't know about heavy handed but

he was much better prepared than I thought he'd be tonite

[RobertSeattle]

3. Seeing Bush pronounce "KUCINICH" would be worth it

[MIMStigator]

4. "DENNIS PENINCHOOOLA" n/t

n/t

[JohnKleeb]

12. He'll get Croatia mixed up with Czech Republic

Just like he did with Slovenia and Slovakia which happen to be my ancestral countries after Ireland and Germany.

Slavic Irish Germans For Kucinich :)
I am gonna get one of my own in the white house lol. BTW that bush story is true.

[indigo32]

46. ROTFLMAO

I love it.

[Renew Deal]

5. Kucinich is the Alan Keyes of this race.

He is the party line.

[RichM]

6. What does this mean, exactly?

It certainly sounds like a ridiculous comparison, but you make the point so poorly that it's hard to be sure.

[cherryperry]

9. Amen!

Where is the person who posted that bit? Anyone for PMing?

[Renew Deal]

10. Well

He is the party line. He is ultra democrat on every issue. Not bending on anything. He also has no chance of winning. Like Keyes to *, Kucinich is just going to (annoy) keep the front runners honest.

[salin]

11. I hear you - see my post below

on a similar theme. But I think it is bigger than keeping the frontrunners honest. I think it is also about a run to demarginalize the left. He may not win - but if he does decently - and stays in (out of tenaciousness rather than fundraising - sort of like Keyes) he, and others like him (remember Wellstone - and his marginalization), are tougher to keep ignoring in Congress.

[MuseRider]

14. If he is the ultimate

democrat then why is he just being used to keep the others honest? I keep saying this but here goes again....he is only unelectable if those who believe in his policies don't vote for him.

[cherryperry]

19. I certainly agree with you here 100%!

:pals:

[JohnKleeb]

23. I agree with both of you

Why must we let fear and superficalness make us nervous about DK, when in reality the principles of peace and justice should guide us in support of DK. I dont know about you all but I am sick of war, this is my generation over there.

[cherryperry]

33. Yes, please all of us past draft-age:

pay attention to John!

Thank you...

[MuseRider]

34. Both of my sons

are draft age. In two months my youngest will be 18, the oldest is almost 20. I am terrified about this.

[JohnKleeb]

40. I told you I am not eligible because of a simliar heart condition that DK

himself has. I dont want the guys of my generation suffering through war, war is terrible, you realize how common war is these days. I am sick of it. Why cant peace happen?

[JohnKleeb]

39. your welcome

[Jose Diablo]

48. I am sick of war too

But my generation sent those boys there. sigh

[JohnKleeb]

49. Yeah I know

Sorry thats sad, its just a pity that theres been so many wars in my young life. Thats why I support DK and the department of peace.

[Renew Deal]

21. He is not being used.

I don't think he is being used.

[IrateCitizen]

44. Your assessment of Kucinich's run is completely off here

Dennis Kucinich is hardly the "party line" for Democrats. Of course, it is easy to point to his vigorous support for labor and workers' rights, and say that -- but that does not make it true. If it were true, why would he be relegated to the role of permanent backbencher rather than given a leadership position within the party ranks? Nah, I'd say that John Kerry, Dick Gephardt and, regretably, Joe Lieberman are the "party line" candidates.

What Dennis Kucinich's campaign is doing -- and forgive me if I get a little existential here -- is planting the seeds for a paradigm change. What I mean by that is that he is the only candidate in the race who recognizes the destructive power of militarism as foreign policy and a dog-eat-dog economy as domestic policy.

His "Department of Peace" is ridiculed by many as pie-in-the-sky idealism. But for those of us who not only dream of a better world, but are committed to working toward it -- we see it as something that is badly needed. It's entire purpose is centered around the nonviolent, multilateral resolution to international problems.

The Kucinich campaign, while it will not win, has the capability of making more of an impact than any of the others can, even if they DO win. Why? Because the Kucinich campaign is all about sowing seeds into the wind. It seeks permanent change based on a paradigm shift of the perceptions under which we live as a society. All the other candidacies are based on electoral victory alone, which, while important, is short-term and transitory.

The Kucinich campaign is a campaign of the spirit. And even many of those who will not take him seriously will be affected by what he says -- and perhaps then we might just take a little step toward making some of these radical proposals -- peace, fairness, compassion, cooperation -- a reality.

[MuseRider]

45. BRAVO!

No need for further comment.

[Dhalgren]

47. Beautifully said.

When I feel disheartened over this seemingly insurmountable task, I will read your post. The paradigm shift starts inside of each person, that is what I have to remember. Thank you.

[salin]

7. I would think that he WOULD be afraid of Kucinich

not for "electability" - but for getting old time liberal ideals discussed again. The longer Dennis is in - the less marginal the liberal ideas are. Hearing him in the debates (and he sounds very reasonable), gives me hope that the momentum/following he builds - will make it harder and harder to marginalize liberal voices in Congress - as they did (and still do) with Wellstone.

That should scare Rove - because sometimes the power of ideas take on their own life. And these ideas are a threat to the current status quo - of class warfare and policies to further divide wealth creation/accumulation in this country. Those ideas get more traction - then bush has to try to respond to them - and then bushes money folks (and his conservative folks, and his racist folks, etc., etc.,) are unhappy. They know the country is in bad shape - but they see the possibility of short-term financial gains and are willing to keep paying to stay on the ship. They start questioning if they are going to get those gains and their long-term financial interests will kick in - those won't be with Kucinich - but they will also not be with bush - they will abandon him for someone more like.... *gasp* Clinton (underwhom both THEY and the country did well.)

[JohnKleeb]

13. yep

[cherryperry]

22. Oh, John has entered!

Thank you, dear, CASE CLOSED - THE EXPERT HAS SPOKEN!!!

Right on, John!


:yourock:

[JohnKleeb]

24. expert far from it

Just a point made.

[cherryperry]

41. Your modesty coupled with your coy shyness and

passionately held beliefs in what America is supposed to be all about will serve you well as you follow in DK's footsteps...

[MuseRider]

8. Got me to look.

He ought to be afraid of Dennis. He is the antithesis of Rove. Exactly what many of us are looking for.

[Shakeydave]

15. I simply love Mr Kucinich!

He speaks to my heart!

[BackDoorMan]

37. I too love Dennis!

[SeveneightyWhoa]

16. The title of this thread...

...is the FUNNIEST thread title I've ever seen on DU.
LMAO!

[JohnKleeb]

17. Whats so funny about it

Theres a certain site at there that only disses DK.

[MuseRider]

18. John, I have to admit

that I pictured Rove and DK in a face off and giggled like a little girl!

[JohnKleeb]

20. thats ok

Rove reminds me of a shadow man. We gotta keep our wits, I can handle it.

[cherryperry]

25. Johnny, more appropriate music courtesy of Tom Petty this time:

well i won't back down, no i won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But i won't back down

Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around
And i'll keep this world from draggin' me down
Gonna stand my ground and i won't back down

Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
Hey i will stand my ground
And i won't back down.

Well i know what's right, i got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But i'll stand my ground and i won't back down

Hey baby there ain't no easy way out
Hey i will stand my ground
And i won't back down
No, i won't back down

[JohnKleeb]

27. I gotta hear that song

Ive heard it before too, I was at the football game my school one and I heard it. Really liked it, :thumbsup: I twist honestly non lyrical songs to my beliefs, I am not that good but the music is beautiful, I mutter lol.

[Oracle]

26. So is the republican owned media..."terrified"

so they ignore him...but if you donate to Dennis before 9-28 he recives matching funds...he's the only progresive liberal running and Rove, Bush and the media DO NOT WANT HIS MESSAGE HEARD.

But it must...donate a few buck and it will...even if he doesn't get the nomimnation it's just as important as if he wins it.

Dennis is THE MAN!

He truly does speak from the heart...fuck that moderate bullshit, who says he's too liberal for America...that's what the media and the Limbaughs want us to believe.

KUCINICH has so much to offer.

https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/sl/singlepledgebasket.asp?cid={FB0ABCB2-A3BE-48FC-B8F5-CC31FFF3E4A3}&bin_id={3949F48A-4616-4DEA-8243-98416B9F0DDE}&en=plKVK4OQLiLSL3OLLdK2LnMZLhIVKaOPJlL5IfP0KrJ0JgN4KzE

[MuseRider]

29. Donated twice

already, gonna start some meet ups. I swear to God that I am going to bring some of these great ideas to the kicking and screaming masses here in Repub land.

[cherryperry]

30. Thanks, Oracle, for your good advice, but

Dennis already has all the money I can spare ... hope it helped!


:toast:

:kick:

[MuseRider]

36. I am

sure they are very grateful. Now you are spreading the word. You are wonderful!

[cherryperry]

42. Aw, shucks, ma'am,

THANKS!


:pals:



:kick:

[mourningdove92]

32. Kucinich is the only true liberal

in the race. The others are liberal "pretenders". I really liked Kucinich tonight.

[revcarol]

28. Rove is afraid of anyone who threatens the corporatocracy....

and DK DOES....IN SPADES!!

[cherryperry]

31. By jove, I think she's got it!!!

:yourock:

[Oracle]

35. It seems so are many DUers, are also terrified of Dennis, why?

He's real and on the money...no need to be afraid, he's for the poor and the middle class, womens right's, "military industrial complex" running rampant,(that's the real fear) tax cuts that gut social programs, our environment, jobs going overseas,

And they won't let him speak, they push him aside like a pest...we've got to make sure he's heard. he's not a spineless democrat...he's the real thing.

Why do they think so many of us support him?

Donate a few bucks..it will indeed make a difference.

And thanks for all who have given all they can.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

https://www.kintera.org/site/apps/ka/sl/singlepledgebasket.asp?cid={FB0ABCB2-A3BE-48FC-B8F5-CC31FFF3E4A3}&bin_id={3949F48A-4616-4DEA-8243-98416B9F0DDE}&en=pvLVL4NQKiJSK3PLLdK2InMZKhJVKaOPLlI5LfO0JrI0JgM4LzH

[FDRrocks]

38. I think it is the whole idea

that we can gain more voters from the center than from the left.

Eh. I wholeheartedly disagree. The people out there don't vote for a reason.

[Jose Diablo]

52. I think its because many Duers think he will lose to Bush

It would be better to place a candidate that can beat Bush rather than a candidate that is best for America.

It is fear of the neo cons and getting them out rather than going for the 'brass' ring, the prize.

Personally, I am gonna go for the 'brass' ring. Kucinich is the best, he has proven his integrity when it counted. I am going for the gold, Kucinich is my choice for the primary.

But others in Du are more political savy than me. I don't critisize what they say. Maybe they are right.

Like I said though. I am voting for Kucinich.

[no name no slogan]

53. Afraid of REAL DEMOCRATS is why

IMHO, Dennis Kucinich is the heart and soul of what the Democratic Party used to be and what it can become again.

The political debate in this country has shifted so far to the right that candidates like Dean are now considered "moderate liberals". The right-wing media reinforces this idea so much to the point that people are convinced we need to select a "moderate" to head the party ticket, lest we be handed another defeat in November 2004.

But if you actually talk to prospective voters about the issues that matter to them, you'll find a great many are left-of-center, if not outright liberals on most issues like corporate power, tax breaks for the wealthy, the health care system, and civil rights. Heck, the Democratic Party platform reads like the Communist Manifesto when compared to the apologists and "moderates" who normally seek the nomination!

The conventional wisdom has not served us well in the past 30 years, so why should be continue to use it? Maybe if we appealed to those people who believe in candidates that stand for something (instead of modulating their views based on bogus poll numbers or "what's electable") we may have the makings of a new majority in this country!

[hiphopnation]

43. As well he should be

terrified of both of them. Even if neither of them get the nomination, which they won't.

[CMT]

50. well, if you are talking about winning "Reagan Democrats"

which has been a hot issue the last week or so, then maybe DK has better credentials than most on that count. He actually represents a blue collar, ethnic, heavily catholic district that has "Reagan Democrat" written all over it. They keep electing DK by big margins.

[JohnKleeb]

51. Thats what makes me think he has a chance

He has won where others have failed, yet not compromised his ideals