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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:08 PM
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How long do you give this post...
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 09:10 PM by Fridays Child
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:11 PM
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1. About thirty seconds after one of their moderators sees it.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 09:11 PM by benburch
90 seconds if he is still fucking his sister/wife at the time.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:12 PM
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2. LOL!!!
As if a freeper could last that long! :)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:14 PM
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7. True.
Likely sex is the best twelve seconds of their day.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:59 PM
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31. My hubby was an R when we met but, after I converted him...
...he became a much better lover--proving, of course, that there's no such thing as a good piece of elephant.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:13 PM
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3. Gone
At 10:13 EST.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:13 PM
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4. freepers are just dumb individuals. Period.
My husband comes from freepers. He grew a heart and brain in spit of their stupidity.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:13 PM
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5. it's gone
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vogonjiltz Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:13 PM
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6. Long enough for me to read it.
Suicide mission from one of our's?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:16 PM
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10. Who knows but it would be great to see more suicide posts over there.
If a flower can sprout through a concrete sidewalk....
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:14 PM
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8. What'd it say??
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:18 PM
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13. It was an essay by E. L. Doctorow. Here's the URL they posted...
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:26 PM
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27. Thanks for the link.
God forbid the "dark side" hear the truth. There's a line from a rock opera I did that is fitting: It's the WEAK who expect, tawdry untruth's about freedom."
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:19 PM
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16. You can read Doctorow's 2004 essay here:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:21 PM
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22. Yup, I have read it before
What a great essay...I can always read it again
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:15 PM
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9. Gone at 10:13
It might have lasted about 6 or 7 minutes. It was too much truth for them.
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TheGoodCitizen Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:17 PM
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11. These replies are truely scary.....
To: PerseusLongfellow
If you believe the President does not agonize over every single casuality in this war, I pity you.
Start the Countdown to Zot!


5 posted on 07/11/2005 7:10:24 PM PDT by Rummyfan
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >
______________________________________________________________

Yeah, he said he thinks about Iraq every single day!

What a bunch of shit!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:20 PM
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17. Machiavelli foresaw them.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:17 PM
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12. That's all, folks...
I love that he used the word "dissemble".

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:19 PM
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14. What did it say? n/t
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TheGoodCitizen Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:20 PM
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19. Here:
GUESTWORDS: By E.L. Doctorow
East Hampton Star ^ | 09/16/2004 | E. L. Doctorow


Posted on 07/11/2005 7:07:30 PM PDT by PerseusLongfellow


The Unfeeling President

I fault this president for not knowing what death is. He does not suffer the death of our 21-year-olds who wanted to be what they could be. On the eve of D-Day in 1944 General Eisenhower prayed to God for the lives of the young soldiers he knew were going to die. He knew what death was. Even in a justifiable war, a war not of choice but of necessity, a war of survival, the cost was almost more than Eisenhower could bear.

But this president does not know what death is. He hasn't the mind for it. You see him joking with the press, peering under the table for the weapons of mass destruction he can't seem to find, you see him at rallies strutting up to the stage in shirt sleeves to the roar of the carefully screened crowd, smiling and waving, triumphal, a he-man.

He does not mourn. He doesn't understand why he should mourn. He is satisfied during the course of a speech written for him to look solemn for a moment and speak of the brave young Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

But you study him, you look into his eyes and know he dissembles an emotion which he does not feel in the depths of his being because he has no capacity for it. He does not feel a personal responsibility for the 1,000 dead young men and women who wanted to be what they could be.

They come to his desk not as youngsters with mothers and fathers or wives and children who will suffer to the end of their days a terribly torn fabric of familial relationships and the inconsolable remembrance of aborted life . . . they come to his desk as a political liability, which is why the press is not permitted to photograph the arrival of their coffins from Iraq.

How then can he mourn? To mourn is to express regret and he regrets nothing. He does not regret that his reason for going to war was, as he knew, unsubstantiated by the facts. He does not regret that his bungled plan for the war's aftermath has made of his mission-accomplished a disaster. He does not regret that, rather than controlling terrorism, his war in Iraq has licensed it. So he never mourns for the dead and crippled youngsters who have fought this war of his choice.

He wanted to go to war and he did. He had not the mind to perceive the costs of war, or to listen to those who knew those costs. He did not understand that you do not go to war when it is one of the options but when it is the only option; you go not because you want to but because you have to.

Yet this president knew it would be difficult for Americans not to cheer the overthrow of a foreign dictator. He knew that much. This president and his supporters would seem to have a mind for only one thing -- to take power, to remain in power, and to use that power for the sake of themselves and their friends.

A war will do that as well as anything. You become a wartime leader. The country gets behind you. Dissent becomes inappropriate. And so he does not drop to his knees, he is not contrite, he does not sit in the church with the grieving parents and wives and children. He is the president who does not feel. He does not feel for the families of the dead, he does not feel for the 35 million of us who live in poverty, he does not feel for the 40 percent who cannot afford health insurance, he does not feel for the miners whose lungs are turning black or for the working people he has deprived of the chance to work overtime at time-and-a-half to pay their bills - it is amazing for how many people in this country this president does not feel.

But he will dissemble feeling. He will say in all sincerity he is relieving the wealthiest 1 percent of the population of their tax burden for the sake of the rest of us, and that he is polluting the air we breathe for the sake of our economy, and that he is decreasing the quality of air in coal mines to save the coal miners' jobs, and that he is depriving workers of their time-and-a-half benefits for overtime because this is actually a way to honor them by raising them into the professional class.

And this litany of lies he will versify with reverences for God and the flag and democracy, when just what he and his party are doing to our democracy is choking the life out of it.

But there is one more terribly sad thing about all of this. I remember the millions of people here and around the world who marched against the war. It was extraordinary, this spontaneous aroused oversoul of alarm and protest that transcended national borders. Why did it happen? After all, this was not the only war anyone had ever seen coming. There are little wars all over he world most of the time.

But the cry of protest was the appalled understanding of millions of people that America was ceding its role as the last best hope of mankind. It was their perception that the classic archetype of democracy was morphing into a rogue nation. The greatest democratic republic in history was turning its back on the future, using its extraordinary power and standing not to advance the ideal of a concordance of civilizations but to endorse the kind of tribal combat that originated with the Neanderthals, a people, now extinct, who could imagine ensuring their survival by no other means than pre-emptive war.

The president we get is the country we get. With each president the nation is conformed spiritually. He is the artificer of our malleable national soul. He proposes not only the laws but the kinds of lawlessness that govern our lives and invoke our responses. The people he appoints are cast in his image. The trouble they get into and get us into, is his characteristic trouble.

Finally, the media amplify his character into our moral weather report. He becomes the face of our sky, the conditions that prevail. How can we sustain ourselves as the United States of America given the stupid and ineffective warmaking, the constitutionally insensitive lawgiving, and the monarchal economics of this president? He cannot mourn but is a figure of such moral vacancy as to make us mourn for ourselves.
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TheGoodCitizen Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:19 PM
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15. Shall I post what was said....
...."over there"?
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:20 PM
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20. Please do :) n/t
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TheGoodCitizen Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:23 PM
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26. done.....
Do you wish to read the replies as well?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:21 PM
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23. Go ahead. Sunshine is the best cure for their disease.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:20 PM
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18. It's still there
And after visiting FR, I feel sort of dirty. Perhaps it's because there's no way to argue with cultists.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:21 PM
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21. scratch that.
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TheGoodCitizen Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:21 PM
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24. I posted it above so no need for anyone to go back to be mentally raped
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:22 PM
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25. What happened? Did someone post something TRUE???
Edited on Mon Jul-11-05 09:23 PM by ailsagirl
OMG
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:09 AM
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32. Yes, and the effect was like water on the Wicked Witch of the West.
If they hadn't gotten rid of the post, it would have destroyed their "beautiful wickedness."

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 09:30 PM
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28. Try posting this?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:13 PM
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29. Excellent idea.
:thumbsup:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 10:29 PM
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30. Let me know when you post it. FR will not let me in for some reason?
Oh yes when they went off about UN troops being involved in sexual exploitation in the Congo I pointed out that the sex trade in Thailand and the Philippines was based on American troops on R&R from Vietnam. And they booted me off. That was a quick 5 minutes!!
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