Should we stop calling for Rove's resignation?

[jobycom]

I'm wondering if we should instead be asking whether Bush or Cheney authorized Rove's leaks. Has Scottie been asked that? The questions should start assuming that Rove is done, and reach beyond to see if we can pull Bush or Cheney down, too. Rove didn't do this in a vacuum--his ego is too strong to not have told one of his bosses what he was up to. He loves the praise.

[proiowadem]

1. interesting

[Goldmund]

2. Yes -- therapy and understanding for KKKarl

Mushroom clouds for Crashcart!

[Avalux]

3. It's my understanding -

Rove did not have the clearance to be privy to classified information such as Valerie Plame's identity. He was probably told by someone who did. I don't think the circle stops with Rove - there are others involved here, and Cheney is probably part of it.

To answer your question though - we should continue to call for his resignation but also find out who else was involved and call for their resignations too.

[longship]

4. All in good time.

It was well over a year between the resignation of Haldeman and Erlichman in the Nixon WH before Nixon fell. Connecting the dots takes time. There's little doubt in anybody's mind that * is connected but one cannot go on suppositions. But it may take a Dem majority in the Senate and/or House to move this forward. You know, hearings and all.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. I think so too

I think so too. I also think Fitzegerald is going for something else too. He's taking his time and the steps needed.

[dbonds]

5. Of course not.

Rove was the one who did it. Rove is the media wizard. It may have been with the agreement of the other admin players (most likely was), but proving that would be near impossible if Rove didn't confess (and he won't). But ALL of this ties in with DSM and the 'fixing intelligence' , so never fear. It won't be over after this. One step at a time.

[skids]

6. Yeah, screw the resignation.

...outright firing would be better. :evilgrin:

[Sapphire Blue]

9. Kerry has a petition to FIRE Rove

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rove.php

Edited to add:

Video - CNN: Kerry and Clinton say "Fire Rove" at Press Conf: http://www.sublimedegree.com/media/vid/cnn/cnn_kerry_clinton_fire_rove_050712-01.wmv

[jobycom]

21. Thus proving Kerry and Clinton are running in 2008!

Hillary has been reading DU, she's trying to court our side, lately. Alfred E. Neuman, now this?

[oneold1-4u]

22. I love the SIGNING

Would like to see this used on DU everywhere. People could learn it and use it. It is the one international language!

[evlbstrd]

7. Call for indictment, not resignation.

[lady lib]

11. Yes, yes, yes!!

INDICTMENT.

[FormerRepublican]

8. Even more important -

- we have to get him out of there so he can't do further damage to the national security of the United States.

[oneold1-4u]

19. Immediate removal

Should have been last week! The man is dangerous to the nation! He certainly has never been alone! Indictment should bring a thorough investigation but the whole apparatus is in place for that to never happen! The AG is only another puppet of the regime and soon the whole Supreme Court will be, if action isn't somehow quick! That necessitates quick action by the congress, so the people must make the demand very loudly NOW!
This one thing is more important than Iraq, terrorists, or anything, because this nation is in a crippling, crumbling government very ripe for an ugly result!

[TahitiNut]

10. Removing one turd from a septic tank ....

... doesn't make it a swimming pool.

The inference that removing Rove from the adminstration would make any improvement whatsoever is completely without merit. Thus, lending any credence to such an inference by suggesting he resign or be fired is, imho, unproductive.

Instead, call on them to force Rove to disclose absolutely everything ever said about Plame in any meeting by anyone.

[lady lib]

12. That line about the septic tank is great! n/t

[jobycom]

20. That's exactly what I'm thinking

I'd like to see the pressure the media is putting on Rove be put on Bush and Cheney. Make them squirm and lie publicly. If the media has really been liberated, as keeps being proclaimed, why would they stop at Rove? Are reporters asking publicly what Bush or Cheney knew?

I saw the Mark Rich column proclaiming this "worse than Watergate." That's heading in the right direction.

[Gothmog]

13. Bush promised to restore honor to the White House

That campaign promise was a slam against President Clinton but we need to hold Bush to this standard

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Exactly

Rove is "Bush's Brain" for a purpose and they don't call him that for nothing. When Bush came into the White House they claimed the "grown ups" were back in town. So how "grown up" is it to leak a CIA agents name and risk national security?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Yes. And, start paying attention to the war and the SCOTUS.

I don't buy that this Rove thing is going anywhere important. Unless it can be tied directly to Bush or Cheney. And, even then it can be dismissed as "bad judgement", or, "politics" or, squirmed out of with an apology, or delayed interminably by "investigations".

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Rove spends a long time in the crossbar hotel. I hope that Bush & Cheney are implicated. I hope that the Democrats miraculously do more than talk about it and grow the spine to demand impeachment.

I just think that none of it's going to happen. So far, all I've seen is a lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

[shraby]

17. I agree, the next question the press should be asking

is "Where and how did Rove get his information"? Hammer that one home.

[jobycom]

23. That's my point. Rove shouldn't be spared, but he shouldn't be our

goal. We don't need to feel like we've won if Rove goes down. Just that we fired the first shot.

[ConfuZed]

18. No

You don't have a chance in hell bringing down those two over something like this.

[jobycom]

24. Oh yeah you do

Two ways: One, if Cheney or Bush lied to Fitzgerald to protect Rove, then you've got perjury and obstruction, and the Republicans have set the precedent of impeachment for those crimes.

Two, if Fitzgerald can link Bush or Cheney to the admission, they are guilty of treason, and that's a legitimate impeachable offense.

Clinton was impeached on less, and Nixon resigned on less. Americans don't really care if you kill 100K innocent brown non-Christians halfway around the world, apparently, but lie about a more trivial issue, and they go bananas. This isn't exactly trivial, but it may be minor enough for the American people to care.

[ConfuZed]

25. They lied about iraq and the american people quickly forgave them.

[jobycom]

26. Yeah, as I said

Americans don't see big lies. They only see smaller ones.

And think about it. Americans largely supported the war. To admit it was a mistake means they have to admit they are guilty of supporting mass slaughter. That's too hard for some. No one has supported the leaking of secret agents' identities, so it's easier for them to blame him for it. Everyone saw Mission Impossible, they all know what that means.