Did you see XM radio's Air America Lineup?

[Postman]

Weekday Schedule:
5AM-6AM ET Rachel Maddow Dr. Rachel Maddow
6AM-9AM ET Morning Sedition Marc Maron, Mark Riley, Wayne Gilman
9AM-Noon ET The Jerry Springer Show Jerry Springer
Noon - 3PM ET The Al Franken Show Al Franken, Katherine Lanpher
3PM-5PM ET The Ed Schultz Show Ed Schultz
5PM-7PM ET The Randi Rhodes Show Randi Rhodes
7PM-10PM ET The Majority Report Janeane Garofalo, Sam Seder
10PM-1AM ET The Alan Colmes Show Alan Colmes
1AM-5AM ET Mike Malloy Mike Malloy

Randi Rhodes' show is cut in half as compared to Sirius having carried the entire 4 hour program.

Ed Shultz is not part of Air America. On Sirius Radio he is on Sirius Left 143 for 3 hours, not the 2 hours XM has him for.

Alan Colmes is not part of Air America either and is cutting into Mike Malloy's air time that Sirius Radio had scheduled 10pm - 1am

I got Sirius Radio last year specifically for Air America Radio. Sirius provided the entire programming from Air America uncut and uninterrupted. Seems like XM Radio wants to slice and dice Air America.

Sirius Left 143 has a great line-up that led me to make my decision to keep Sirius and not switch to XM.

If you switched to XM from Sirius are you happy with what XM has done with Air America?

[Rosco T.]

1. The schedule hasn't changed yet...

It's been that way for many months (exception: Malloy came on end of April)..

Things are in the works, but it will change..

If you dig about here you'll find a thread from a DU'er at a Malloy event (Atlanta?) that was told by an AAR honcho that the changeover would be July 18th for 'full and untouched' AAR.

[Deep13]

2. same here

My wife bought a Sirius subscription just for AAR. We feel like they lied to us.

[T Roosevelt]

3. Same here

I still have Sirius, and am reluctant to switch UNLESS XM fixes the AAR lineup...currently it is crap (come on, Alan Colmes delaying Malloy?)

[ET Awful]

7. Well, that's why I bought Sirius originally as well, but I can't say

I feel like I was lied to. I was never told "Sirius will always have AAR."

But, as I said in the other (extremely lengthy) thread on this subject, I'm more interested in having AAR than in having a particular satellite provider. The receivers were cheap enough now that it wasn't too painful to switch.

[ET Awful]

4. That's been XM's lineup for a long time.

XM has always done that to AAR. I still switched primarily because the times I listen to AAR remain intact (I usually listen to Randi after 5:00 and the entire morning lineup).

I've been told by numerous sources that XM's lineup will change to have all of Randi's show and to put Malloy's show where it belongs. My theory is that the holdup is due to contract issues with Schultz and Colmes.

Am I happy? To be honest, I'm indifferent because those changes are pretty much irrelevant to my listening. Would I prefer to have the entire lineup intact? Sure, but I wouldn't listen to it if I had it :).

I actually get better reception in my car with XM than I did with Sirius, so I'm happy in that regard :).

[Hokie]

5. Contact XM Radio

Try this link and select XM News and Talk channels. They need to hear from us.

http://www.xmradio.com/contact_us/contact_us.jsp

I hope they carry the full AAR schedule on 167 and move Schultz and Colmes to another channel. They carry plenty of right wing shows on the other channels in addtion to a full rightie talk channel on 166.

[ET Awful]

10. Thanks for the link.

As I said earlier, I don't NEED the whole lineup that bad, but I still sent them this:

I'm a new subscriber having recently switched from Sirius (to follow Air America Radio).

I'm writing to inquire as to your intentions pertaining to the AAR lineup. I'd be very intersted in having the entire Randi Rhodes show available from 3:00 on, and to have Mike Malloy's show run live in it's normal timeslot.

Currently, Ed Schultz and Alan Colmes' shows interfere with the normal AAR schedule.

Is there a plan to expand the AAR channel to include the entire uncut AAR lineup?

Please advise.

Thanks.

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Glad I didn't get either one.

Thankfully we have AAR in LA again.

[LaPera]

8. It's disgusting, shoving moderates down our throats and Malloy's show

pushed to a non listening time slot 1 am to 4 am? Putting the asshole Shultz in place of the excellent & great Randi Rhodes?

What else does XM have in store to further ruin AAR and make it a nice sweet, cute, mellow, moderate voice.

AAR allowed it, alls fair and OK as long as they made money on the deal.

And the AAR peoples only excuse is, XM might change the AAR roster, what bullshit, what changes to more moderates?

[xultar]

11. To be fair they may change if XM customers complain. I thought that they

were going to carry AAR in full. There may be changes down the pike.

I love my Sirius Left though. I can't wait for 144 reborn.

[ET Awful]

15. As Rosco said above, I've heard that XM is planning on expanding

the lineup to have AAR in full. I haven't seen proof of it yet, but I've also heard the dates he mentioned referenced before.

[LaPera]

18. The facts are, XM was able to knock a complete network (Sirius)

from carrying AAR off the satellite airwaves, by buying "exclusive" rights, XM then proceeds to all but silence the most important liberal voices on AAR (or anywhere)...Randi Rhodes & Mike Malloy.

Now will XM add even more moderate voices to further dilute AAR's liberal impact? No one knows for sure, but it appears to me that's where they are headed.

This is typical republican tactics, buy up, and then silence voices they don't agree with.

Who owns XM? What is their corporate agenda?

But it's all OK I guess, because AAR made money on the deal?

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[Rosco T.]

25. Actually, Malloy was added AFTER the deal...

.. but contracts already had Colmes in his slot, so for the time being, he's on a delay..

do you think Mike Malloy would be advertising AIR AMERICA ON XM promos if he was unhappy? we are talking MALLOY here...

[LaPera]

96. Just ask Malloy if he would like his time slot pushed back three more

hours on XM, AAR or anywhere. Get real, how many will be listening at 3 am?

The reason Malloy would do a XM promos' is no doubt it was asked of him by AAR, who after all signs his check and with the Internet and AAR radio affiliates, XM doesn't make up much of AAR's overall audience.

Still I ask you, to ask Malloy if he would mind AAR pushing back the start of his show on AAR (not XM) three more hours (1 am) in favor of Alan Colmes or anyone...

I absolutely know the answer to that one. Go ahead and ask Mike.

[Rosco T.]

104. Unless of course...

it was..

"Mike, we can't get you on realtime till after Colmes contract is up. Would you rather wait till then, on be on a time delay to get out to the listeners now?".

Go ahead, ask him?

I'm so amazed that the simple answers are being so painfully overlooked.

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[Taverner]

26. Who owns XM?

Rupert Murdoch has controlling interest I believe

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[Rosco T.]

30. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go to the NASDEQ site and you can see..

No RUPERT
No HALLIBURTON
No CLEAR CHANNEL

this has been debunked many times here before

[otohara]

110. Clear Channel Was One of the Original Backers

behind XM? They don't own any stock in XM any longer?

http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/press_release_1999_06_08.html

[NYCGirl]

112. Nope, Clear Channel is not part of XM. NT

[otohara]

122. When You Have Time....

could you post a link bringing this up to date. The link provided is a press release from XM - but it was from 1999

Now I did find this from Rhino Records it says CC does own tiny bit of XM and I trust the folks at Rhino, but there is no date on this story.

http://www.rhino.com/rzine/StoryKeeper.lasso?StoryID=188

[NYCGirl]

124. Here's the major holders:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=XMSR

[otohara]

127. Thanks, But...

Still, knowing Clear Channel - I bet XM has branches of Clear Channel consulting XM. CC bought up many of the independent consultants, so they couldn't consult for any others. Who better than to consult XM, than the rulers of radio?

[Rosco T.]

129. Your Tinfoil hat is a little tight there :) by that logic, Clear Channel.

OWNS SIRUIS!!!!!!

[Rosco T.]

120. In the beginning, they provided some feeds for channels (including KISS FM

but XM dropped them (KISS when Phfft when they fired Rick Dees). They sold off their stock in late '03/early '04 and lost their place on the board at the same time.

[NYCGirl]

31. You'd be wrong.

Murdoch has nothing to do with XM.

[LaPera]

53. Makes perfect sense to me, now!

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[LaPera]

102. Facts? Like The facts are XM has cut Randi Rhodes show in half to

make room for a moderate? The fact that Mike Malloy's show is on three hours later, in favor of a moderate...THESE ARE FACTS!

[Rosco T.]

108. Been that way for a LONG TIME... I suppose you wouldn't honor..

.. any existing contracts??

[LaPera]

130. Man, you obvious didn't have Sirius, or you would understand...

how perfect it was to always turn on Sirius and get untouched AAR programing 24/7!

So you don't understand how fucking mad we are, when we see this jack-off XM schedule for AAR instead, that was put in place many month's ago (XM knew what it was doing buying and putting in place that moderate schedule month's and month's ago).

Now, if you don't have an AAR radio affiliate in your area, there is no way one can receive AAR in their vehicle or the beach, etc...except to listen to the moderate interlaced shit on XM!

Even at home, the same thing...unless you want to sit in front of your computer to listen.

No, you don't have a clue how nice it was with Sirius carrying the untouched AAR schedule. yes, we were spoiled and now we are angry.

All that is being offered is empty thoughts that XM MIGHT bring the untouched AAR schedule to XM.

Very doubtful, since XM knew they were going after AAR many, many month's ago. I see even more moderate being put in place on the XM horizon.

[ET Awful]

132. I had Sirius, from the day AAR first went live I had Sirius, I bought

Sirius equipment expreslly for the purpose of listening to AAR. Sirius said they would provide me with AAR, when presented with an option to continue to carry AAR or not, they chose not.

I left Sirius because they no longer provided the programming I subscribed to them for.

[drbtg1]

76. You might be thinking of another satellite system

That being DirecTV

[xultar]

55. READ THE POST BY LaPera! IT IS BRILLIANT! Up one from this

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[ET Awful]

131. So you question "moderates" on XM . . .why don't you question them

on Sirius? After all, Sirius carries more of Ed Schultz' show than XM does.

I have yet to attack anyone. The only thing I attack is the poor decisions made by Sirius that caused me to have to switch to XM.

So you complain because XM has Alan Colmes and Ed Schultz? Have you looked at the Sirius 143 lineup?

Let's see . . .

The Alan Colmes Show.
Monday to Friday 10 pm - 1 am ET

The Ed Schultz Show
Monday to Friday 3 pm - 6 pm ET
Replays Weekends 5 pm - 8 pm ET

Geee, looks like Sirius has moderates too . . . why aren't you attacking them?

[ET Awful]

133. Sirius crams "that asshole Ed Schultz" down your throat too

They also carry Colmes's show.

Why aren't you attacking Sirius for carrying Schultz and Colmes?

[xultar]

9. AAR left me I'm sticking to Sirius. When Sirius gets 143 & 144 up to full

volume it will be MAGICAL.

Mark my words.

[Postman]

12. Do you know something that is in the works at Sirius?

I hope they keep 144 a lefty channel.

They could put Thom Hartmanns entire program on the air instead of the 1 hour they currently air.

I would like to see them try to get Lionel from WOR 710Am out of New York City, he's really good.

[xultar]

14. We're over @ http://www.siriusbackstage.com in the news, talk & entertain'

forum trying to get a campaign started to keep 144 active and get some new progressive training on it.

Sign up and start posting. From what I hear the Sirius folks realy pay attention to that board. http://www.siriusbackstage.com

[ET Awful]

13. I still say it's more like Sirius turned AAR away in favor of NASCAR

NFL, Martha Stewart, etc.

I mean . . . NASCAR????? . . . EWWWWWW. It's bad enough watching it, but listening to cars drive around in circles?

Imagine how much they must have paid for exclusive NASCAR access, then think of what they could have done with that money if they'd passed on the redneck raceway.

[xultar]

16. So you think AAR and NASCAR are = in revenue enough to warrant your post

puhleez.

AAR is a fledgling network. Though I hate NASCAR I can't say they are equal in that way.

I suppose Martha is a redneck too based on your post.


You're not making sense.

[Lex]

17. I just found out about the XM - Raytheon defense contractor link.

That's pretty weird. XM and the military teaming up on "The Mobile Enhanced Situational Awareness Network?" :tinfoilhat:

http://billboardradiomonitor.com/radiomonitor/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000968940

[ET Awful]

20. I read that before, it seems more like defense piggybacking on

XM satellites than anything else. It would use different receivers and different frequencies than the radio does.

I'm not convinced that it has any effect on the radio or not. I'm no fan of Raytheon, but I don't see this as a major issue . . . yet.

[Lex]

22. Wonder how much money Raytheon is paying XM for this?

Wonder why the military wouldn't put up its own stuff--god knows the defense dept. gets enough money to do so.

[ET Awful]

24. Because they're broke :)

Hell, all the money is getting shoved in duffel bags and spirited off by Halliburton contractors, how the hell is there any left over for Raytheon :) :) :)

[Rosco T.]

28. No real effect on XM.

it's a one-way system (obviously)
One low bandwidth channel that only comes active when needed.
They could use standard XM receivers if necessary that only get a single channel activated/authorized.

actually a smart deal -

- take a platform that is ALREADY ESTABLISHED
- has a superior coverage area
- you don't have to pay for the birds

All you're doing is 'leasing a channel' when you need it and give them a list of specific receiver numbers to be authorized for only that channel.

[Lex]

32. So XM is partnering with Raytheon defense contractor & that's hunky dory?

I suppose it was a smart business decision for XM.

Good for them.

[Rosco T.]

33. So Sirius is carrying FOX NEWS is ok???

same difference, XM is leasing a channel to them.

[Lex]

35. That's different. Fox News is a media outlet, however dumb they are.

Raytheon is growing fat and happy off supplying weaponry for the Iraq War and now is queuing up to create a "Mobile Enhanced Situational Awareness Network" through XM?

Compare the two if it makes you happy but they are hardly comparable.

Hooray for XM's good business decisions.

[Rosco T.]

38. It's a COMMUNICATION WARNING SYSTEM, not a weapon...

.. if it saves some soliders lives by being able to warn them out of a situation, then that's bad???

[Lex]

57. I didn't say it was a weapon. Read carefully.

I said Raytheon gets its money by building weaponry and has grown fat and happy off the Iraq war.

I'm sure they'll build a fine "Mobile Enhanced Situational Awareness Network."

[ET Awful]

34. If you quit doing business with every company that also has

defense contracts, you'd be limiting yourself greatly in what you can purchase.

Motorola phones? Nope, they have defense contracts.

GM products? Nope, they have defense contracts too.

I hope you don't fly anywhere, I mean . . . Boeing has military contracts, and you're bound to fly in a Boeing plane at some point.

You have to draw the line somewhere and if you decide you'll never do business with any company that has defense contracts, you might as well just lock yourself in your house, disconnect your phone and internet and never leave the house again.

[Lex]

36. Defend XM all you want. Doing business with Raytheon?

XM is wonderful. Now you've convinced me.

[ET Awful]

45. I'm not defending XM, I'm pointing out the flaws in trying to say

that because a company does business with defense contractors, you shouldn't do business with them.

Once again, if you stop doing business with anyone who has defense contracts, you might as well just never leave the house again. Shit, even Tabasco sauce has defense contracts, I used to get it in MRE meals.

[Lex]

64. Yeah, but buying from Tabasco is not the same as partnering with Raytheon

to carry a "Mobile Enhanced Situational Awareness Network", whatever the f*ck that really turns out to be.

[NYCGirl]

37. Heaven forbid first responders have good communications...

might have saved a lot of lives in the WTC.

[Rosco T.]

39. yeah.. really, damn them for trying to have an effective..

..warning system to keep them from walking into an ambush.

[Lex]

73. Yeah, these defense contractors just have our best interests at heart.

What was I thinking?

[Lex]

68. Do you really trust that that's what Raytheon and the military are doing?

I don't trust Raytheon to build anything that doesn't have as its final goal a way to destroy the hell out of something.

[Rosco T.]

78. Let me know how you can 'destroy' something on a one-way broadcast... n/m

[Lex]

119. Fine, if you trust Raytheon, that's good then.

I'm sure they're doing precisely what they say they are. For homeland security and all that.

[ET Awful]

19. No, I'm saying that if Sirius wanted to they could have had AAR

instead they went with other programming, none of which appeals to me (or to most AAR listeners for that matter).

I'd venture a guess that not many AAR listeners are interested in NASCAR, no doubt there are some, but they are in the minority.

Sirius only has so much to spend on programming, they made their choice of where to spend it and AAR was not part of their choice.

[xultar]

41. Sirius is not an AAR station. That is Sirius does not program based on

Air America.

Even RANDI is pissed about this deal. She still recommends Sirius.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. ;)

[Rosco T.]

42. Don't think so.... n/m

[ET Awful]

49. Umm actually, as she just said and as was rightly pointed out below

SIRIUS PASSED. They could have had AAR, they passed.

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[rinsd]

You're kidding right....

A) There are many channels to choose from on either. That's like saying Gore's new network shouldn't be carried on cable systems with the Outdoor life network because people won't watch both. The two are not mutually exclusive.

B) NASCAR - Though I'm not into it its the biggest sporting event in this country. I think it even rivals the NFl in revenue. That vs. a fledgling network is business no brainer though again this might not have been an either or situation.

C)Sirius was spending its money with AAR. When AAR signs an "exlcusive" with their chief rival, how is that their fault?

[Rosco T.]

65. Randi said about 30 minutes ago that Sirius "PASSED"...

what does that say?

To me, they PASSED on the exclusive.

Sirius walked away.

Q.E.D.

[rinsd]

90. So its AAR's fault then....

...if they're the ones seeking the exclusive.

If XM offered the exclusive deal, the AAR went to Sirius seeking the same deal with more money and Sirius passed, that's AAR fault for limiting its exposure and the bashing of Sirius is stupid.

[Rosco T.]

99. Unless....

- XM offers an exclusive deal.
- Sirius refuses to match it (ie. Passed)
- AAR goes back to see if they can get non-exclusive deal
- XM says exclusive or nothing.

SO, AAR has choice.

a) take XM deal with 4.4 million subs, lose 1.4 million on Sirius

b) take SIRIUS deal with 1.4 million subs, lose 4.4 million, less money.

Sounds like b) is the no-brainer to me.

[rinsd]

111. LOL...

...so does that mean if the situation was reversed we would see "XM abandoned AAR!" posts ;-)

[Rosco T.]

121. Of course not! Then it would be....

AAR got away from XM and the evil Clear Channel (even tho it's been well proven that Clear Channel dosnen't control XM).

[ET Awful]

95. Once again . . .

Sirius COULD HAVE HAD THE EXCLUSIVE DEAL. They passed on the exclusive deal. They chose to instead spend their programming dollars on NASCAR, Howard Stern, Martha Stewart, etc. They spent over $500 MILLION dollars on this programming. In order to be profitable, they must add hundreds of thousands of subscribers for at least a 4 year period, otherwise they will be running in the red.

They chose to spend their money on something else, they fucked their AAR listeners in the process. Personally, I'd rather listen to AAR on XM than NASCAR on Sirius. Sirius screwed me, I moved to XM

[rinsd]

115. Sigh...

If the deals for NASCAR, NFL, Howard(which I know for sure), Martha were signed before any of the exclusive business then Sirius was spending their money on both.

Again, I don't begrude someone switching to XM because they only got sat radio for AAR but this abandonment crapola is just so much farting in their general direction.

[Touchdown]

85. So, you're saying AAR went to Sirius first?

Where's the link to that?

It seems to me that Sirius bought into a pre-programmed talk network, placed it on one of their channels, and really didn't have any reason to think they would be shut out of it due to their competitor's love interest. Why would they think that they'd have to coddle NPR, CNN, or Discovery Radio, lest they sign an exxclusive deal with a rival? Where's the precedent in that?

Why would they think the rug could be pulled out from them? Oh' I know. Sirius beat out XM on NFL play by play. XM knew that 1/3 of new Sirius subscribers since April were because of AAR, so they went and sold AAR a bill of goods to steal those 1/3rd customers away from their rival. See? It makes about as much sense as your theory.

[Rosco T.]

23. Here's your 'sense'... hard facts and figures.

In the past 12 months, SIRIUS committed

$500,000,000 in programming costs.

Howard
Martha
NASCAR
NFL
NHL
NBA

The market analysts think SIRIUS is approaching a 'flame out' (see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4074514&mesg_id=4082049 ) and is WAY OVERESTIMATING their audience, they don't give it a good future.

To pay for JUST THAT PROGRAMMING, they will need 9.6 million subs @ $13/month for the next FOUR YEARS (that's the contract lengths for the above cost).

they only have 1.4 million subs now. They're adding at about 300,000 subs a quarter (based on their last 10Q report).

Remember that is what it will take to pay JUST FOR THE NEW PROGRAMMING, not including their EXISTING costs. Most are expecting them to kick their monthly sub up to near $17 by the end of the year.

They are hemmoraging debt with bad, bad business decisions.

That's not opinion, that's cold hard numeric fact.

[ET Awful]

27. Yup, like I said, if they'd passed on Martha and NASCAR (for instance)

they could have secured AAR most likely. Not to keep picking on Martha and NASCAR, it's just that it seems to me that neither translates to radio too well. . . I mean . . . Martha tells you how to make doilies and snack cakes, kind of a visual thing. Nothing against Martha personally, I just don't see her as a radio personality. As to NASCAR, the only thing more boring that watching cars drive around in circles is listening to other people describe cars driving around in circles. :)

Seriously though, if they'd passed on those two, they probably could have kept AAR, but they went with NASCAR (obviously to try and draw more subscribers) and Martha (who knows why they did this).

[xultar]

44. Passed on all that established shit for a fledgling network that almost

went bankrupt.

PUHLEEZ. How stupid do you think they are?

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[xultar]

43. First of all it isn't all subscribers. It is advertising too. Just wait.

till shit gets rolling. Not to mention other products and services in the works.

[Rosco T.]

63. Yeah, I'm listening to the AAR stream...

FOX TV is advertising the baseball game.

FOX Advertising on AAR.

Ponder that.

[xultar]

74. FOX is advertising on AARs stream. WTF! I'm glad they aren't on

Sirius.

Isn't that the shit. Franken lambasting Fox and his show is brogut 2 u by FAUX.

[rinsd]

46. Some thoughts...

Howard is going to be huge for them for subscribers as soon as he's exclusively there.

NASCAR is not something I am into but the fact is its the largest growing sporting event in the country that may soon rival the NFL in revenue.

NFL - if that's an exclusive then thay will be fine. DirectTv just upped their exclusive for sat TV for $3.5B they made so much with their first deal.

[ET Awful]

51. That's my point. SIRIUS chose to go with what they thought would

give them the most profit. They abandoned AAR in favor of getting NASCAR, etc.

If they wanted AAR they could have had it, they passed to get NASCAR, Stewart, etc.

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[xultar]

92. OK so what is the real story then? Tell it. I'm waiting.

[ET Awful]

98. I'm waiting for your proof that Sirius was offered content

after an EXCLUSIVE contract was signed. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while.

XM made AAR an offer, AAR presented the offer to Sirius for a counteroffer. Sirius passed. Sirius could have made a counteroffer, they did not. They chose to instead spend millions on other programming.

This is the information relayed to me by XM, Sirius and AAR via numerous phone calls when the agreement was first announced months ago.

Rosco has shown you articles illustrating the dollar amounts involved, your chosing not to read them is your loss.

[Rosco T.]

100. I though YOU KNEW IT (you implied it..) so you're just blowing smoke then?

[rinsd]

71. Siius didn't abandon anything....

...AAR may have been trying to leverage XM vs. Sirius for the exclusive rights looking for the biggest bucks. Sirius decided to pass for whatever reason. Maybe they didn't think AAR was worth the price.

Why aren't you mad at XM for making the deal exclusive or with AAR management for limiting their reach? They're the ones who made the deal.

And why people keep mentioning NASCAR like its a bad business decision is lunacy.

[ET Awful]

79. I never mentioned NASCAR like a bad business decision

I mentioned it to illustrate what audience Sirius values more than the AAR audience.

Sirius could have had AAR, they passed. That means they abandoned their AAR audience, like it or not.

I originally subscribed to Sirius to get AAR, if Sirius isn't willing to engage in any steps necessary to keep AAR, then there is no reason to subscribe to Sirius.

[Rosco T.]

84. Actually, Sirus going after NASCAR was a bad decision..

.. when they bid THREE TIMES what XM had bid for it 2 years ago.

and are trying to buy out XM's last year for a grossly inflated price.

[rinsd]

123. Possibly....

Check out this article dealing with NexTel's association with NASCAR

http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/06/08/nextel_qtrone/

Plus NASCAR has 75 million fans. AAR has maybe 1 million hardcore listeners of which a large percentage get their AAR for free.

[rinsd]

109. That's fine...

That would be your decision in regard to whether to keep Sirius and no one should begrudge you for it.

"I mentioned it to illustrate what audience Sirius values more than the AAR audience"

If the deal with NASCAR was already in place before the exclusive happened than this means nothing, since they were going to carry both.

It's not people saying they will now drop Sirius because they on;y got it for AAR that bothers me. It's these baseless demogogic(abandoned? could you possibly use a more loaded word to describe a business decision) diatribes against Sirius that are.

[Rosco T.]

116. Actually, the demogogic diatribes (nice phrasing, I like it) are more..

.. being aimed at XM/AAR than Sirius for making the deal.

Sirius is making bad business decisions totally outside of the AAR situation. The only relevance is where they are spending them money.

But sure sounds like Sirius is the one that said 'no thanks' and not AAR saying "we're outta here"..

(BTW, your observation NASCAR, et.al. is perfectly correct, I know some people that are getting SIRIUS IN ADDITION to XM, solely for NASCAR and HOWARD AND AIR AMERICA. Heavens forbid people could think that reasonably).

[rinsd]

126. Well Xultar..

..has been holding up the Sirius end so I can't claim the diatribes are exclusive to the AAR/XM people.

"But sure sounds like Sirius is the one that said 'no thanks' and not AAR saying "we're outta here".."

I don't think we're gonna be able to resolve that one until the parties make their conversation known(which they won't) anything else is likely to be either corporate face saving or digs at the competition.

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[Rosco T.]

40. Comment from RANDI, about 15 minutes into the second hour...

(paraphrased) "Sirius Passed, I know...."


and that's the ONLY comment thus far.

[xultar]

48. Sirius passed AFTER they went EXCLUSIVE with XM.

Lets be clear. First they wanted more money then they went shopping.

[ET Awful]

61. BULLSHIT. Do you know what "exclusive" means?

They passed on being the exclusive carrier. They could have been the exclusive, they chose not to, and instead spent money on NASCAR and the like.

[xultar]

69. For more money on some shit that is already on most terrestrial

radio.

There's no exclusivity on that shit.

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[Rosco T.]

77. Exclusive SATELLITE CARRIER....

you rally need to get out of the Egyptian River...

[xultar]

82. Sorry but you don't know the whole story.

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86. Apparently you don't know ANY of the story. n/t

[xultar]

93. OK what is it then? I'm waiting!!

[Rosco T.]

87. and you do? so enlight us O! denial one.... n/m

[xultar]

97. I started another thread. Tell me what you know as the story.

I'm waiting.

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[xultar]

81. They did offer for Sirius to carry some AAR after the fact. Sirius did pas

KEY WORD IS SOME

[ET Awful]

88. No, they did not.

Of course, if you have some actual PROOF of it, we'd be happy to look. Please show us your proof.

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[xultar]

103. Exclusive to carry the entire schedule. KEY WORD ENTIRE....

Doesn't mean that others can't carry some shows
ala carte.

[Rosco T.]

107. Wrong again capital letter boy... that's not an 'exclusive'...

you know nothing about the radio business do you??

[Bill219]

105. she also just said about 5 mins ago coming back from a break

that she is about as pissed off at the deal as the Sirius people and AAR could learn a few things from the Bush administration

[Bill219]

117. see post 105 to see how she feels about the deal

[Touchdown]

52. Mac user flaming.

I can podcast them all on iTunes now. $5 a month to White Rose Society ($7 less that Sirius), and I also get the full Thom Hartmann show and everybody else. When my Sirius sub runs out, to the garage sale the crap will go, and XM gets ignored.:P

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[Eloriel]

113. Thanks for the info -- I certainly won't be "investing" in it now

And I'd considered it. Instead, if I can't get it via internet, I'll do without. I've heard enough about Ed Schulz here at DU that I would be hesitant to support and patronize any organization that has him at all, but to delete part of AAR coverage to have him seals the deal.

Nor do I think it's appropriate to put Malloy on in the middle of the night in favor of the incredibly ineffectual Alan Colmes. Blech. I'd rather listen to Michael Savage, probably. Well, scratch that -- but you get the idea.

Anybody contact XM ought to send them a link to this thread.

[NYCGirl]

118. Isn't that a bit like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face?

I'm lucky — being in NYC, I can listen to AAR anywhere, and get the full schedule.

But if I had to choose a slightly broken up AAR to NO AAR, I know I'd go with the broken up one, and hope that Colmes and Schulz's contracts run out soon.

[Imalittleteapot]

128. Listened to Sirius Left 143 this morning before work.

I liked it! You should try it before giving up you Sirius subscription.

I stream Randi at the office and hope that her schedule remains the same.
If Mike Malloy continues to stream at 9 CDT, I will have no need for XM. I certainly won't listen at 1 am.

I was about to sell my Sirius Sportster system, but I think I will keep it.

[Technowitch]

134. Locking

This has degenerated into a flamewar.

Please remember the rules of civility, folks. Thank you.

-Technowitch
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