Netherlands - Mohammed B. on killing filmmaker Theo Van Gogh - Sick!

[demo dutch]

Mohammed Bouyeri's statement to Van Gogh's mother in court:
"I don't feel your pain," he said. "I have to admit I don't have any sympathy for you. I can't feel for you because I think you're a nonbeliever."

According to Dutch newspapers, the Marrocan native did it out of conviction and stated "I follow the law which orders me to chop off the heads of anyone who insults Allah and the prophet(Mohammed)"

Mohammed B. received life in prison for killing filmmaker Van Gogh

This was the only English piece I could find
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/13Jul2005_news32.php

[maxsolomon]

1. another victory for the healing powers of religion

monotheism, yay.

does it really SAY that in the Koran? does the Koran have a section like Leviticus or Revelation that only the fundy wack jobs take seriously?

[Endangered Specie]

2. IIRC the Qu'ran is seen as the direct, exact, unabridged

word of God, but only in the original Arabic. Whether that means literal or figurative interpretation is kinda up to the reader, but, indeed, The Koran does have some not so great parts in it, just like the Bible:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.html

[1932]

7. The thing about racist xenophobia is that if it there weren't a religious

element, it would manifest itself some other way and crazy, criminal, unstable people would still react with murder. The same rightwingers who beat people with baseball bats would still do that, and the same people who murder filmmakers would do that, and we'd probably be in the same place.

[etherealtruth]

14. Hey 19 ....

I'm with you on this one ------ religious belief is a convenient excuse. World peace with out it ----- No, just a different convenient excuse.

[Doc Bottom]

12. Re: Does it really say that?

No. It doesn't.

[drdon326]

15. uhhhh....yeah, it does.

[Endangered Specie]

3. Shame that Holland does not have capital punishment

or keel hauling as punishments now.

[Lefty48197]

4. They should burn that pig alive

Fuck them murdering terrorists. I'm sick of them.

[tocqueville]

5. both of you above (death penalty, burning alive)

talk as if you were freepers

one of the main differences between democracy and all the values associated to it and non-democracy is that you treat even the worse criminal as an human being, which means that deprivation of life, cruel punishment and suffering are banned. Get into your heads that a condemnation is an act of justice, not of vengeance.

According to your above statements, since there must have been at least some really guilty people at both Abu-Grahib and Gitmo, the way they were treated can not only be excused but even condoned...

I can understand the anger after crimes like the bombings in London, but treating our enemies the same way they are treating us, puts us at their level : retrogading from the 21th century to the Middle-Ages...

[Lefty48197]

8. NO! It is not a "freeper trait"

to want to kill those that want to kill you. It's a trait that has kept humans alive for thousands of years.

[tocqueville]

11. Killing in self-defense is OK

Killing a prisoner is another story. Specially burning him alive...


Don't you see that you use exactly the same vocabulary than the warmongers ?

[NawlinsNed]

9. Uh, no.

As long as there are free elections where the majority of the citizens are able decide which rules and laws are established and which people are allowed to represent them or administer the government, it's a democracy. Democracy is ultimately about fairness and an equal say, not about whether or not the laws include the death penalty. This is why we have impartial juries, so that it isn't about vengeance, but about justice.

[tocqueville]

10. Name non-democracies applying what's below

UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.


then you can ask yourself if the death penalty cannot be included in the above

________________________________________________________________
Death Penalty Permitted

Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Korea, North
Korea, South
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States of America
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

Name a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY amongst above countries besides the US and Japan

Find the worse dictatorships and human rights abusers among them : you'll find all of the countries the US is saying to belong the Axes of Evil etc...

[smirkymonkey]

6. This is fucked up:

"I don't feel your pain," he said. "I have to admit I don't have any sympathy for you. I can't feel for you because I think you're a nonbeliever."

A non-believer. And what exactly does Mohammed Bouyeri believe in?

I've had it with these ignorant religious freaks. Life in prison is too good for him.

[drdon326]

13. The Dutch arent the only ones dealing with it.....

COUNTRIES SUFFERING SUSTAINED ISLAMIC TERRORISM AND/OR REPRESSION

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bangladesh
Bosnia
Chechnya
China
Croatia
Cyprus
East Timor
Egypt
Eritrea
Georgia
India/Kashmir
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Ivory Coast
Kosovo
Lebanon
Nigeria
Pakistan
Philippines
Russia
Saudi Arabia
Serbia
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Tajikistan
Thailand
Uzbekistan
Yemen

COUNTRIES SUFFERING OCCASIONAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM

Argentina
Bali
France
Germany
Indonesia
Italy
Jordan
Kenya
Kuwait
Morocco
Spain
Tunisia
Turkey
United Kingdom
USA

COUNTRIES SUFFERING MUSLIM MINORITY UNREST & CRIMINALITY

Australia
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
France
Germany
Netherlands
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Turkey
United Kingdom

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003721.php




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