Wishing anyone physical pain is close to supporting torture

[Quixote1818]

Wishing any Republican or person who's policies we disagree with, physical pain and extremely painful deaths is almost the same as supporting torture. The main difference is they want God or Nature to do the dirty work instead of a human being putting the hood over Reagan's head or who ever and beating him to a pulp. Their is really not much difference. I have a feeling though that those who are saying these things are probably a lot softer than they realize and would change their minds if they actually saw the person in pain.

We can attack Reagan over his policies and even attack his character but the second someone wishes someone pain or burning in hell forever they have crossed way, way, way over the line of human decency and what it means to be a Democrat. I don't want ANY PART of it and frankly it disgusts me!

I wouldn't even condone the torture of Hitler. Two wrongs don't make a right. Someone has to end the insane cycle of solving problems with violence. Solving problems with violence condones violence and the cycle of violence goes on and on and on. Europe seems so far ahead of the US on this. They GET IT! Thats why violent crime is so low in Europe! Unfortunately their are still a small number of people here on DU that don't get it yet but I am willing to bet they really don't mean what they are saying. Wishing someone pain and backing a policy that causes it to happen are miles apart but the similarity's should be pointed out.

[AX10]

1. I must concur with you. At some point, it must end.

Europe mostly ended it and they are taking in the positive dividends. I oppose torture. I am a person of the modern/advanced world.

I must say, though, there is a difference between wishing for it and actually doing it. People say they wish he/she ill often, but it's not the same as actually hurting them, and are not intent on doing so.

It's not to say that violence will never be used again, unfortunatly, we need to use such force to deal with the problems of the world, but to what extent do we want to use violence?

I hope to realistically minimize the cycle.

[Der Blaue Engel]

2. I think there's a huge difference between wishing

someone ill and supporting an actual policy of harm. I wish my boss would fucking drop dead, but thankfully, that's not up to me, so he is safe from my hatred and frustration. People express frustration in sometimes ugly ways. Go ahead and be disgusted, but don't overblow the issue.

Or I'll send you to the cornfield. :silly:

[Quixote1818]

3. Well, thats probably true

I suspect those here on DU that are saying these things would change their minds if they actually saw the person in pain. Thanks for bringing me back to earth.

[NightOwwl]

5. Scariest.Twilight Zone.Ever

:scared:

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. An eye for an eye?

[Technowitch]

6. "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi

Just sayin'.

[atreides1]

7. We Get It, But the ones in power don't!!!!!

Whether a person burns in hell or suffers physical pain, isn't up to me or anyone else. If God thinks that it's an appropriate punishment,
then so be it. I'll never know.

I only wish that those whose policies hurt the less fortunate by cutting out any kind of assistance so that the rich can get tax cuts, or that we can drop bombs on people that did nothing to us, suffer the same fate that they have condoned.

If this is inhuman, then I'm inhuman, and I don't give a rats ass what you think about me. You want to be disgusted then go ahead, I'm not here to live up to your expectations, and I won't.

You're right someone has to end the cycle, unfortunately you're not the one, none of us are, the only ones with the power to end the cycle of violence are the politicians, and they won't be doing much about it as long as their main interest is getting re-elected, and satisfying that part of the electorate that enjoys bloodshed and death.

By the way how long did it take Europe to finally get a clue, over 1000 years I'm sure, and you expect this country to get it in less time?

With the direction that BushCo has taken us, we'll have to start all over again, which means at least 1000 years before we get it.

In the meantime let us disgusting members who are Democrats revel in the blood and pain of wishing ill on those that would execute everyone of us given the chance.

Have a nice day.

[JNelson6563]

13. You make a good point

In the meantime let us disgusting members who are Democrats revel in the blood and pain of wishing ill on those that would execute everyone of us given the chance.

You bet they would.

Julie

[bonito]

8. Peacemakers are refreshing. thank you!

[3waygeek]

9. Not necessarily...

as long as you don't wish for organ failure, it's OK :evilgrin:

[ChiDem]

10. I am sorry...

But there are many people I wish death upon.

Take a look around you, this is the world we live in, the harsh fact is that this world would be better with certain people dead.

"Two wrongs don't make a right"

Your right, but it can make the victim feel better.

[AndyTiedye]

11. I Just Wish them All a Fair Trial in the Hague

The International Criminal Court exists for people like them, and they
know it. That is why the Bush** regime is so afraid of the ICC that
they have bullied so many other countries into promising not to turn
them over to it. That is why ** started babbling about the ICC in
response to a totally unrelated question during one of last year's
Presidential debates. They have no fear of US courts, because they
have stacked those courts with allies, and they can always be pardoned
if they somehow get convicted anyway. Presidential pardons are not
accepted at the International Criminal Court.



If convicted, they would spend their days in this prison:

[two gun sid]

12. I wish no one a horrible death...

but, I have a hard time getting worked up about the death of Ronald Reagan. I feel sorrow for his family and those that loved him. But, I have to admit, when he died a smile crossed my face.

I think about his policies in Central America and the pain and torture suffered by the people of those countries, his refusal to confront the AIDS issue when it started and the senseless deaths it has caused, and an economic policy that was basically class warfare, and I feel no pity for the man.

In death, we owe the man nothing except the truth. The truth about what he really was. A monster.

So, you won't see me placing any flowers on his grave. In my opinion, the world is a better place with him no longer in it.

[SmokingJacket]

14. "Wishing" is different from "condoning"

Wishing has no power whatsoever, so it's safe -- you can give in to your weak self and know you aren't hurting anyone. It's pure fantasy.

That guy who (probably) murdered that whole family, kidnapped and raped the kids? I wish great, deep suffering on him. Now, I don't approve of the death penalty because I think it's barbaric and horrible government policy. That's the intellectual in me who actually runs my life, writes LTTE and has conversations. If I had a magic button that would inflict suffering on all the evil bastards of the world, I wouldn't push it. But I might fantasize about it.

My inner self indulges in revenge fantasies. I think that's okay.

It's important to distinguish between your emotional self and your intellectual one. Your intellectual self should hold the reins.

on edit: I should have read post #2 first, which put this so succinctly!

[Inland]

15. All I want is just desserts. That's all.

I'd be happy with them being out of power so that can't hurt us anymore and an empaneled grand jury.