Tom Delay - Plame Wasn't Covert Agent Because...

[WillyT]

She Drove Back and Forth To Langley - News Hounds

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Yes, it's all over the news, CNN, MSNBC and even Fox. The president did not offer a vote of confidence for Karl Rove today, he preferred to stay tight lipped regarding the leak in the White House.

The Republicans sent out their best to defend Karl Rove and the White House today when they sent that king of ethics, Tom Delay, to give the latest Republican talking points.

My transcript follows, paraphrased but pretty much verbatim, between Shepard Smith and Tom Delay on Studio B.

However, the funniest explanation (after blaming the media, Joe Wilson, the Democrats and others) was that Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent because she drove in and out of Langley.

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Link (Statement near bottom): http://www.newshounds.us/2005/07/13/delay_plame_wasnt_covert_agent_because_she_drove_back_and_forth_to_langley.php

They bring out DELAY, to vouch for ROVE?????

They really do not have any shame.



:evilgrin:

[Jack Rabbit]

1. Yeah, right

. . . and all the slots in Vietnam were taken by blacks so poor Tommy couldn't get in the army.

[Erika]

2. How amusing

Delay is having a hard time keeping himself out of jail. The GOP cultists keep getting sillier and sillier :-).

[ailsagirl]

3. Oh God, now slimebucket is getting into the act...

Scandals just don't have that extra ZING unless
Delay is involved!!

[Bleacher Creature]

4. Now that's rich.

Exhibits #1 and #2 on why we may actually have a chance after all in 2006.

[goclark]

They have hit the bottom of the barrel

with De Lay HA HA

[bushisanidiot]

5. yes, according to the freeptards, plame shouldn't have let anyone know her

name.. they equate her being seen in public with her announcing to everyone that she's an undercover agent for the CIA.

gawd. how do the freeptards manage to tie their shoes in the morning, let alone operate a computer to try to "out-dumb" eachother in freeptardland??

[roguevalley]

6. doesn't the statute require that a noc live outside the country and

run their thing within five years of the offense to be legally considered a noc? He may be blathering that aspect.

[WillyT]

7. So... They Don't Get To Come Home For The Holidays ???

Doesn't seem fair.

;-)

[MuseRider]

8. Nahhh, really?

None of them thought that was too dumb to report? They really said that out loud and on the news?

I expect that from Delay but I would also expect SOMEBODY from one of those stations to crack the hell up and stop the report for stupidity.

[madaboutharry]

9. Tom Delay

has brain damage from all that termite spray he worked with back before he became a congressman.

[lyonn]

10. All the talking Rep. heads are out in full force

One station mentioned the talking points memo that went out to the Repubs and sure enough, we heard the exact babble by them all, mostly, Wilson lied and Plame wasn't anyone of importance. Same-o, same-o.

[EC]

11. Plame was, a former NOC, he's full of shit....

http://foi.missouri.edu/iipa/nocnoc.html

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Some Bush partisans have suggested that the outing of Plame is no big deal, that she was "just an analyst" or maybe, as a G.O.P. Congressman told CNN, "a glorified secretary." But the facts tell otherwise. Plame was, for starters, a former NOC — that is, a spy with nonofficial cover who worked overseas as a private individual with no apparent connection to the U.S. government. NOCs are among the government's most closely guarded secrets, because they often work for real or fictive private companies overseas and are set loose to spy solo. NOCs are harder to train, more expensive to place and can remain undercover longer than conventional spooks. They can also go places and see people whom those under official cover cannot. They are in some ways the most vulnerable of all clandestine officers, since they have no claim to diplomatic immunity if they get caught.

Plame worked as a spy internationally in more than one role. Fred Rustmann, a former CIA official who put in 24 years as a spymaster and was Plame's boss for a few years, says Plame worked under official cover in Europe in the early 1990s — say, as a U.S. embassy attache — before switching to nonofficial cover a few years later. Mostly Plame posed as a business analyst or a student in what Rustmann describes as a "nice European city." Plame was never a so-called deep-cover NOC, he said, meaning the agency did not create a complex cover story about her education, background, job, personal life and even hobbies and habits that would stand up to intense scrutiny by foreign governments. " are on corporate rolls, and if anybody calls the corporation, the secretary says, 'Yeah, he works for us,'" says Rustmann. "The degree of backstopping to a NOC's cover is a very good indication of how deep that cover really is."

For decades, a varying number of NOCs (the exact figure is classified) have been installed abroad in big multinational corporations, small companies or bogus academic posts. The more genteel rules of traditional espionage do not apply to NOCs. When the Soviets caught a diplomat doing spy work during the cold war, they roughed him up a little and sent him home. Unmasked NOCs, on the other hand, have met with much harsher fates: CIA officer Hugh Redmond was caught in Shanghai in 1951 posing as an employee of a British import-export company and spent 19 years in a Chinese prison before dying there. In early 1995 the French rolled up five CIA officers, including a woman who had been working as a NOC under business cover for about five years. Although the NOC caught in Paris in 1995 was simply sent home, "it might not have been so easy in an Arab country," says a former CIA official familiar with the matter. " have no diplomatic status, so they can end up in slammers."

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Though Plame's cover is now blown, it probably began to unravel years ago when Wilson first asked her out. Rustmann describes Plame as an "exceptional officer" but says her ability to remain under cover was jeopardized by her marriage in 1998 to the higher-profile American diplomat. Plame all but came in from the cold last week, making her first public appearance, at a Washington lunch in honor of her husband, who was receiving an award for whistle blowing. The blown spy's one not-so-secret request? No photographs, please.

© 2003 Time Inc.




http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:BnKmWSGTX4MJ:www.jsmineset.com/+CIA+%2B+noc%27s&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Regarding Mr. Rove, Joseph Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame, it is critical to keep in mind that only three people in the USA outside of the CIA Director of Opts and the DDO have the legal right to know the name of a NOC (Non Official Cover Officer).


Even within the CIA ,the NOC's have code names when on active duty. Their private names are no where to be found in the Langley Noodle Factory. The stars on the wall at the entrance to Langley headquarters look directly at the words, "The Truth Will Set Us Free," representing those who died in the line of duty but carry no names.

Those three people with the legal right to know a NOC's name are the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State. This privilege is certainly not available to a political strategist or an administration Chief of Staff no matter how well positioned that individual is within the administration. This is why the defense is that he did not give the name of Valerie Plame because he didn't know it.

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The most protected and secret asset that the USA's intelligence service has is its NOC list. Therefore it is inconceivable that Carl Rove had access to the information that was transmitted to many reporters as they did not figure out Plame was a NOC on their own.

[Roland99]

12. I thought that was a good article until I got to this:

Though Plame's cover is now blown, it probably began to unravel years ago when Wilson first asked her out. Rustmann describes Plame as an "exceptional officer" but says her ability to remain under cover was jeopardized by her marriage in 1998 to the higher-profile American diplomat.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. Yes...that remark was pretty stupid. If anything, it gave her MORE cover.

[gratuitous]

16. She got married to Wilson in 1998

Now, maybe my math's a little fuzzy (I am, after all, a liberal), but if Valerie Plame was a covert operative when she married Joseph Wilson in 1998, and Karl Rove blabbed her name to Robert Novak in 2002, that would mean that (a) she had been a covert operative within five years of Rove's disclosure, making that disclosure a felony under the law; and (b) the Republicans who are claiming otherwise can't count.

[The Magistrate]

19. That Is An Important Point, Ms. EC

"Only three people in the USA outside of the CIA Director of Opts and the DDO have the legal right to know the name of a NOC (Non Official Cover Officer)....Those three people with the legal right to know a NOC's name are the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State."

This makes it quite clear "someone else" violated statutes for that reptile Rove to have the information he broadcast....

"Loose lips sink ships."

[EC]

26. I know,

and I notice when Bush is talking about it now, his head is lowered, and he has the 3 points of white showing in his eyes, that betray him as a LIAR...(he also looks like he wants to crack up laughing like someone with hysterics) I do believe this will reach to him...

[The Magistrate]

27. That Is My Surmise As Well, Ma'am

For all the customary disparragement of his idiocy, the Crawdord Coward has a pretty canny political mind, and does involve himself in the calculation of political lines and actions of the administration: it seems doubtful to me a thing like this was done without his being aware of it....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[mmonk]

14. .....

:spray:

[ProfessorGAC]

15. So, Why Doesn't Tommie Call Fitzgerald?

Maybe Toxic Tommie can call the prosecutor and tell him this fact. Then Fitz can go home. Or. . .

Maybe Fitz actually knows the facts and knows Tommieboy is an idiot.
The Professor

[Swamp Rat]

17. Tom DeLay eats cockroaches

[comsymp]

25. Oh, please

Isn't DeLay's reputation bad enough without adding accusations of cannibalism?

:evilgrin:

[zanne]

28. LOL!

I just got that. Funny.

[comsymp]

29. Glad somebody did

Sometimes, my sense of humor is too "special" to be appreciated by normal humans... maybe I should acknowledge my Thetan roots and hook up with Tom Cruise?

[zanne]

18. What is the "false story"?

I'm running it through my head, and I can't think of anything that Joe Wilson said that could be construed as false. What are they talking about?

[EC]

20. Go to Raw Story, they have the talking points

the crux of it is that Chaney didn't ask Wilson to look into it, Wilson never said that, he said that Chaney asked the CIA to look into it and they in turn had him go,,,

[EC]

21. Now I notice in today's paper

op writer Jay Ambrose is using the same logic...what(on edit: they are spinning, because I'm sure they really realize this) they aren't considering is that the law reads at least 5 years prior. As stated by a poster on down, she married Wilson in 98, which pretty much took her out of the field, but Rove did give her id up within the 5 years...so she doesn't need to be "undercover" now..

[warrens]

22. So I guess ALL CIA agents should just give up

That's pretty damn funny. Next, they'll say she wasn't undercover because she put down her CIA cover as her employer on her tax forms. Oh, wait, they beat me to it.

I think this is a measure of how serious this is that they're spewing all this nonsense. They have nothing legitimate to use, so they just make shit up.

[AlCzervik]

23. Well Delay also claimed that he didn't serve in the military because all

minorites took the spots so disregard eveything he says.

[Ganja Ninja]

24. Well, who better to vouch for you than Tom DeLay!

FOX is looking more stupid every day. I think it's safe to say that anyone that still watches FOX news and believes what they are seeing and hearing is a moron and should have their voting privileges revoked.