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Champ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:06 AM
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Man beats 3-Year Old Son to Death to prevent him from growing up a "Sissy"
Dad Boxed With 3-Year-Old, Mom Says In Murder Trial

TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.''

Even Sheldon Bostic, who was Ronnie Paris Jr.'s Bible- study friend, said he warned the father several times not to play so rough with his son.

``He really did what other fathers do - slap box,'' Bostic said. ``He always said he didn't want his son growing up to be pushed around.''

``Did Ronnie use a term for that?'' asked Jalal Harb, an assistant state attorney.

``He didn't want him to be a sissy,'' Bostic said.
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 AM
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1. He didn't want his son to grow up to be gay?
Well, I guess he got his wish. This is so f*cking horrible that I really just don't know what to say. :(
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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16. I coulda told him it wouldn't work
all that happens is that gay son grows up able to box better than dad. And mad as hell.

If he survives.

dumbass.

Well, one saving grace is that he'll get some instant karma in prison when they find out he beat a child to death.

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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:10 AM
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2. Apparently, he didn't want him to grow up, period.
One more casualty of the war on gays? This is really disgusting. That child must have been terrified.
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:19 AM
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38. not a war on gays
a war on sensibility.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:45 PM
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46. What's the difference?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:10 AM
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3. why yes, all us fathers slap box with our 3 year olds
of course. So says his bible study partner.
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H5N1 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 AM
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7. Ronny's good days are behind him. Hope he enjoys life in a cage.
I have never seen an adult slap box a three-year-old.
I certainly would not permit it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:27 AM
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24. exactly. be offended
gosh this is how the boys are raised here. you know how hard it is for my boys. oh lordy
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:27 AM
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25. No shit
My son will be three in about six months. I cannot imagine slapping him or "boxing" with him for any reason. This is simply horrible. Just awful.

That poor child.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:39 AM
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27. and the hurt of it is all that kid wanted was for his dad to love him
and he got beaten to death instead.

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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:10 AM
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4. I nominate this guy for Family Value father of the year award.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:11 AM
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5. file under "Stories that make me rethink the death penalty" . . . n/t
.
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teenagebambam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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13. I second that
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:49 AM
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33. Death is too good for him.
What, you get to be put asleep like a dog? That's punishment?

This piece of worthless shit is better off being assraped and beaten daily. In prison, anyone who does fatal/sexual harm to a child might as well tattoo a bullseye on his body.
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 AM
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6.  This is sickening: and, for the record- most fathers do not 'slap-box'
their sons. The father is a murderer- his twisted rationale notwithstanding.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 AM
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 AM
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8. This is an extreme example
But it certainly shows what happens when homophobia grips someone's mind that they're so scared, so ignorant, so vindictive, that smacking a 3-year-old to death seems like a reasonable course.

I'd really like to see Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Fred Phelps and the rest of the gay-hating crew have to sit through this trial so they see the results of the hatred they so blithely preach. As I say, this is an extreme example, but the physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual battery goes on in hundreds and thousands of ways all over the country, teaching good, decent people to hate themselves for no other reason than to promote bigotry and ignorance, and line the overstuffed pockets of our own latter-day pharisees and saducees.
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:44 AM
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41. Homophobia gripped his mind
now other men will grip his waist and shoulders in prison, so they can dickrape and fistrape his rear end.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :grr: :grr: :grr: :puke: :puke: :puke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:13 AM
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9. The Hatred Starts With Our Leaders, Both Political And Religious
In another thread that's discussing this topic, a DUer makes the observation:

<< A country in which, from the top down, condones discrimination and second-class status to LGBT persons is the breeding ground for continued violence. >>

How true!!

Starting with our government officials and particularly with RELIGIOUS LEADERS. They all create, foster and contribute to the climate of intolerance, hostility and violence toward GLBT people.

Equally culpable are those within the political system, AND within their religion who do nothing and say nothing... thereby offering their consent and approval.

It sickens me. I'm so sad for that child.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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11. Well, It Worked
The kid isn't going to grow up to be a sissy. He isn't going to grow up at all.

Throw this guy in a deep dark hole.
The Professor
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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12. This sounds really horrible, but
that child would have suffered for the rest of his life. Years of therapy might have helped, but if his "dad" succeded he would have been too "manly" to admit that he needed help.

I'm so sorry he died, but I'm also glad he won't suffer any more.

PS his "dad" should be castrated.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:14 AM
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14. Yeah, better to bring him up as a sadist.
--IMM
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:16 AM
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17. His mom would take him to the hospital for vomiting but not this
:grr:
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:16 AM
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18. In between bouts of Bible study
he boxed his 3-yr. old to death. Demons must have made him do it.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:17 AM
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19. Dad's heterosexuality not going to get a big workout during life sentence.
Just saying.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:19 AM
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20. His BIBLE STUDY partner?
This guy needs to be put under the jail. Good grief, what a fricking lunatic
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:04 PM
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45. His Bible Study partner
asked him not to "play" so rough. PLAY????
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:01 AM
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50. Why are you so surprised?
they must be able to find something in that book which convinces them that you should beat your children senseless to stop them growing up to be gay. God Hates Fags, remember?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:11 AM
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51. Actually there is
Beat your kid and don't stop if he cries...
"Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

Beat your kid hard and often...don't worry about breaking a few bones, he won't die!
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

Your kid will be slaughtered for the 'iniquities' of his father
"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers"


There's a quite a bit more...I wonder where this guy got the idea, huh?
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:13 AM
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55. Some sick stuff in that book, just waiting for the right sicko to read it.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:19 AM
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21. That is so awful.
I'm practically ready to cry here at work. SO fucking deplorable. I hope they fry the bastard.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:20 AM
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22. Well Dad will no longer need worry about his son growing up a "sissy"
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:21 AM
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23. Oh yeah, in Florida gays cannot adopt b'cuz they are unfit parents
I read this story this morning and was sickened by it.
That:
- Dept of Children and Families returned the child to this home is abhorrent.
- A mother could stand and witness this abuse by the father is appalling.
- Sheldon the bible toter didn't act like a man and deck the father for smacking the little boy around makes him an accomplice in my view.

And also without fault, the police who failed to investigate numerous previous incidents where the child was sent to the hospital.

Floriduh.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:30 AM
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26. isn't it funny - the scrutiny they give to adoptive parents
but zero scrutiny to natural parents.

Flori-damn-duh.

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CitrusLib Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:41 AM
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28. It's these kind of stories that FUCKING PISS ME OFF that I'm infertile
Why are so many kids born to fuckwad losers????????

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:52 AM
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43. I feel for you
I expressed a similar sentiment a while back (and was accused of being sexist!) when I bemoaned the fact that a negligent, unfit parent could have numerous kids, while kind, loving people who would make excellent parents are left without (I know a couple in your same situation.)
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:24 AM
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56. I know how you feel
I can't have kids either (and my fiancee doesn't want them, anyway), but to see the kind of b@$^@%#$ who are able to, is...sickening.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:42 AM
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29. What small men do.
"She testified that she witnessed Ronnie Paris Jr. being rough with the child several times, including once when he ``slammed'' the baby against a wall because the child was vomiting."

:mad:

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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:45 AM
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30. What 3 year old child does not wet him/herself?
I hope all of the relatives of this poor child noticed that. I hope this idiotic monster goes away forever.
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QueenJane94133 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:48 AM
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31. How horribly sad!
You should have to have a license to have kids!
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:48 AM
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32. And over at Free Republic................ silence .........
I always love to read their rants about crime - anytime someone posts some report about violence against people, including children, they go off the macho deep-end, with lurid fantasies about what they would do to the perpetraitors.

Also in abundance are all news stories about homosexuals battles for civil rights and the right to marry. On each ot these threads you can read some of the most hate-filled, venemous verbal attacks on homosexuals outside of a Saudi Arabian law against gays.

So I figured I'd check to see just how they were going to square themselves with this one, see how they can look squarely in the face what a nationwide campaign of homophobia does to that population.

And of course, there is nothing there.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:24 PM
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47. I can't say that I'm at all surprised
Those Christian fundamentalist types over at FR will be the first to use their homophobia to justify why gay people should not be allowed to adopt children. However, you have here a documented case of gross negligence and abuse of a child by his heterosexual parent, and you get stony silence and indifference. How incredibly hypocritical, yet so very typical.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:51 AM
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34. Did anyone else see the author on The Daily Show
the other night who had written a book about how religion is being used in the courts? I only caught a snippet. Her gist was that state legislatures are passing laws which effectively give a "get out of jail free" card for people who break existing laws but have religious reasons for their beliefs...and consequent law-breaking. She cites numerous cases in her book which illustrate her point that religion is seeping into our legal system. And not in a good way. She includes cases of child abuse, spousal abuse, and sexual abuse which can be shielded under religious protections.
Yes, that's happening here. Not just in the Middle East.
Scary.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:14 AM
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35. So I guess the man got what he wanted...
HIS son won't grow up to be a sissy!


Wonder how he feels about the fact that his son won't grow up AT ALL????


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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:17 AM
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36. The World Is A Bit Darker Because of This
So sad. Sad. Sad sad. :(
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:18 AM
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37. American style "Honor Killing".
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:26 AM
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39. Makes you wonder
What was done to this man when he was a child.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:30 AM
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40. Other fathers "slap box"?
:wtf:?
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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:49 AM
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42. That bible study leader shoud serve time
for not stopping the crime. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:54 AM
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44. Why yes!
My husband routinely beats the shit of our son. He might grow up to be a sadistic murderer, but at least he won't be gay! :sarcasm:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:19 AM
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52. Maybe the ones they know do.
Because they wouldn't want any "sissies" in their neighborhood.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:59 AM
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48. Boxing with a three year old
What kind of depraved monster slaps a three year old around in an attempt to teach him how to box? :grr: What sort of imbecile doesn't know it is normal for a three year old to shake, wet himself and cry when being slapped around? :wtf:

I hope this SOB gets put away for the rest of his life. And I hope his new "friends" gang up together to teach him how to box. :evilgrin:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:21 AM
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53. put away for the rest of his life
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 03:22 AM by madeline_con
I have to advocate the Death Penalty for this one. He does not deserve to live.

Maybe he'll make lots of new "friends" in prison, and life will just be one big party. :evilgrin:
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 07:39 AM
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54. No need for the death penalty in this case.
Just sentence him to life without parole, put him in General Population, and the other prisoners will kill him.

I don't really like the death penalty in this case. All they do in Florida is give you a shot. But in the General Population Death Sentence, prisoners don't have access to those drugs nor do they need them; he'll either be beaten to death, raped to death or stabbed. Any of them are good.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:12 AM
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49. Poor baby, suffering and frightened. I could just die over posts like this
a little tiny boy being beat by a grown man. I could just hug that child. This is soooooo sad and rotten.
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