MSNBC Reporting there is an Amendment

[dogday]

on the Senate Floor to strip Karl Rove of his security clearance

[WLKjr]

1. link?

oh please please please

[dogday]

3. Ron Reagan just said it on MSNBC

[writes2000]

9. I saw it as well.

[Pachamama]

29. Oh Please, please let the GOP stand there & vote against this!

Let the GOP and this administration explain in '06 and '08 how they are committed to the National Security and to protecting us....

It will then be pointed out that they protect those that make others less safe and expose us to National Security threats, all in the name of their loyalty to the "party" not their country...

:bounce:

[Pirate Smile]

39. maddezmom just posted the story and link:

Dems Call for Bill on Security Clearance
WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats moved forcefully into the controversy surrounding White House aide Karl Rove on Thursday, calling for legislation to deny security clearances to officials who disclose the identity of an undercover agent.

Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., sought to attach the proposal to a spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security, and aides said he hoped for a vote by day's end.

Reid, the Democratic leader, made his move as Republicans watched nervously to see whether the controversy over Rove's involvement in a news leak that exposed a CIA officer's identity would pose a credibility problem at the White House.

While the president passed up another chance Wednesday to directly voice confidence in his deputy chief of staff, his political team engineered a series of testimonials from members of Congress who praised Rove and condemned Democratic critics. And Bush's press secretary, Scott McClellan, told reporters the president has confidence in his longtime confidant.

more:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050714/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_investigation_36

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1627642

[helderheid]

2. yesssssssssss!

[xultar]

4. .Dear GOD puhleez....

O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8) O8)

[jsamuel]

5. wow, bringing the issue right down infront of the Republicans...

be careful how you vote... haha

[central scrutinizer]

25. are you soft on treason?

bwah hah hah - watch them squirm

[Wickerman]

6. hee-hee!

:D

[WLKjr]

7. I wish I could see this, anyone got a clip?

[writes2000]

8. Reagan & his guest are kicking MC's ass

I cannot believe how desperate they are to keep the focus on Wilson. Yet, when you point out that there is no excuse for outing a CIA agent, they're completely silent.

[dogday]

11. There's the rub now

you cannot argue with that.. there is no excuse for this. One of these days someone is going to mention Rove called Chris Matthews and said Joe Wilson's Wife is fair game... No excuse for that either....

[writes2000]

16. Has Matthews been called to testify?

I think that is such an important piece of info. It shows that Rove had no concern about Plame's status as a CIA agent.

[dogday]

22. Yes he did testify n/t

[wtbymark]

10. this will also render Rove completely useless

in his position - no more briefings, he will be forced to resign because he can't do his job - yeah baby!

[ellenfl]

14. don't believe it. he will still be pulling the strings. he needs

to go to prison.

ellen fl

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Yes. In some ways he's much more dangerous

with free reign and no oversight. A VERY public trial resulting in a jail sentence is the only thing that might restrain this evil, anti-Democrat.

[Ian David]

27. Remind me again: what is the maximum penalty for treason? n/t

[merbex]

52. Death,if I'm not mistaken

How would Bush reconcile that

His best bud possibly convicted of treason against the US with Death a possible sentence

Pardons anyone?

[tblue37]

67. Presidential pardon--

and a lucrative post in private industry, as well as the freedom to continue engineering dirty-tricks-riddled elections for Republicans.

[sam sarrha]

15. Mountain Oysters for Dinner ....!!!!

[ck4829]

12. Who in their right mind would vote to protect Rove?

We will soon find out who the traitors are.

[kansasblue]

13. really? they can do that? .... or is it just a resolution to request

an agency to act.

Security Clearance are handled by Congress.

[ktowntennesseedem]

19. Either way, it puts them on record.

Come on, Frist! Rove deserves and "up-or-down" vote!

[Lex]

24. Exactly. That's the beauty of it.

You're either for a traitor to the US, or against him.

Let 'em go on record with their answer.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Yes

Then we'll see what happens in 2006 and 2008. They're in a tough spot. I'd hate to be a republican today. If you vote to protect Rove then you can lose your seat to the public. If you vote to not protect him then you could still lose your seat.

[mmonk]

38. Right On!

The American people DESERVE an up or down vote!

[jsamuel]

17. HAHA, every time Bush talks to Rove, Bush would be LEAKING!!!

[ktowntennesseedem]

21. We ought to start sending the White House some Pampers!

I hear they can stop leaks.

[hvn_nbr_2]

53. I like that idea. n/t

[mmonk]

20. Anyone getting excited yet?

:bounce:

[FredStembottom]

30. Yes!

Ok. Today's the day. I dare to be excited again.

This has already moved far beyond the other issues that I hoped would come to justice - and then they didn't.

This looks different.

What will the DLC infiltrators do?

Let's see.............:popcorn:

[Tommymac]

23. Link?

[dogday]

26. Ron Reagan Said It On Coast to Coast today

He was handed a piece of paper and said that there was an Amendment on the floor of the Senate to remove Karl Rove's security clearance...

[The Stranger]

28. Link:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Democrats_introduce_security_clearance__0714.html

[Lex]

32. self delete

[Tommymac]

33. COOL!

Thanks!:bounce:

[dogday]

40. I think they are piggy backing this Homeland Security Appropriations Bill

with the bill to strip security clearance. So if you vote for the appropriations, you vote for this bill.

[jsamuel]

41. first the amendment must pass, then it would piggy back

[Emit]

42. Would it apply retrospective, in Rove's case, do you suppose? n/t

[jsamuel]

44. no laws apply retrospective criminally, but i am not sure about

policy of the executive branch. I would think that it would apply retrospectively because it says anyone that did that would have their clearances revoked, not that it is a "punishment", but a security hole.

[jsamuel]

45. How about all those ppl in the Pentagon from the Iran Contra

would it apply to them too?

[Az_lefty]

31. Finally...his security clearance should have been pulled by now

Congress shouldn't have to do it. There is no way in the world KKKarl would know the names of CIA agents, even with a TS clearance that information is on a "need to know" basis. Someone had to tell him. Rove needs to be dragged before a GJ and grilled on who this person is.
:mad:

[dogday]

35. Rove should of known better

Either way with his security clearance, he either did not check her background and leaked the information which makes him extremely negligent to handle classified information or he did know and intentionally revealed this information in which case he used classified information to get back at a individual.

I don't see him winning in either scenario....

[LeftNYC]

34. This is beautiful...kick the repugs square in the nuts...watch em ...

"flip flop" if Karl gets canned.

[Catfight]

36. at least someone is taking the action seriously. Treason is treason. nt

[Emit]

37. That news, coupled with this:

Dragging the Media Down Downing Street
Thursday, 14 July 2005, 10:45 am
Opinion: David Swanson

Dragging the Media Down Downing Street

By David Swanson
AfterDowningStreet.org
From: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/739The U.S. corporate media has begun to awaken to the fact that top Bush adviser Karl Rove exposed an undercover CIA agent's identity and then lied about it. But reporters, editors, and producers remain slow to pick up on the heart of the story, namely that this was part of an extensive campaign to deceive the media, the public, and the Congress about the justifications for an unjustifiable war.

<<snip>>

The cable news pundits had acknowledged the story and yelled at each other about it. If there were serious reporters waiting for a timely hook that would persuade their editors to allow them to do their jobs, now was the moment. Alas, either there were no reporters or the editorial wall was still standing. Even news stories about how there were no news stories stopped seeming interesting to editors unwilling to do actual journalism. No polls have been done, but it seems likely that many Americans still don't know what the Downing Street Minutes say.

In recent weeks, a FOIA request from 52 Congress Members has gone uncovered by the media. A letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee from 10 Senators has passed unnoticed. A Resolution of Inquiry is expected to soon be introduced in the House, thus far unremarked upon. And the three-year anniversary of the meeting on Downing Street that gave us the minutes is rapidly approaching, without comment. Many media outlets in the United States have done one or two stories about the Downing Street minutes. Some have done none. None have created the endless echo chamber that's so badly needed, but which is apparently reserved for celebrities and sex.

<<snip>>
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00194.htm


Is Good News. Maybe they are starting to connect the dots.

[dogday]

43. They just announced it again on MSNBC

Durbin is one of the Senators who signed it...

[dogday]

46. Here is another Link

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Waxman_Resolution_of_Inquiry_o_0714.html

[The Stranger]

48. After Durbin signed it, did he break down and apologize effusively?

[ck4829]

49. Durbin strikes back

This is what Rove will hopefully get when Rove smeared him with his Gulag comment saying that it was being broadcast all over the ME when it wasn't.

[catmandu57]

47. DO IT BY GOD DO IT

When my repuke senators vote against it, I;ll be on the keyboard emailing the papers, I'll be on the phone calling the papers, television stations and any other form of media available.
The people in my state will know who is soft on terrorism and supportive of treasonous dogs.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. Isn't it too late??

[Peregrine]

54. I question whether Congress has the authority

Clearances are within the powers of the Executive Branch. See even the clearances that some of the congressman have were given to them by a clearance authority (CIA, DOE, DOD) within the Executive Branch. And there have been Congressmen stripped of their clearances before by DOD and CIA.

[derby378]

55. Hate to admit it, but that's a good point

Only Congress has the power to declare war, for example. Technically, I don't think they can secede that authority to the President for him to initiate an undeclared war on another nation - Iraq, for instance.

[mmonk]

58. Won't he have to sign

or not? Then he will make a choice everyone can see. This is all connected to Homeland Security funding.

[OzarkDem]

56. Not enough

Does anyone really think Bushco will obey it? Of course not, he'll still get whatever information he wants second-hand.

Such and amendment would actually be worse than doing nothing because it would provide a veneer of credibility for the WH.

Strip him of his job and throw him in jail.

[RedstDem]

57. Rove Ain't Going Nowhere

Rove & Cheney Are Both Higher Up The WH Ladder Than Bush, & I Don't Think Either Of Them Will Allow Georgie Boy To Cut Turd Blossom Loose, No Matter If He Gets On His Knees & Begs...

[dogday]

59. It's funny how you think that-- but I got news for

you. The cry to fire Rove is going to be so loud, that there will be no choice but to can his fat ass. Also I am hoping that an indictment is in his future.

Either way Rove screwed up, if he did not know Valerie Plame was a NOC, he should of checked and is guilty of negligence of handling classified information, and if he did know, he is just damn guilty of treason....

[RedstDem]

61. I'm Not Being Funny

Cheney Is CEO, Rove Is Just Under That At The President Level, & Bush Is Somewhere Around Vice President In Charge Of Marketing Or Some Such.
If He's The Only One Who Can Kick Him To The Curb, It Ain't Going To Happen, Unless They So. But So Much The Better, He Can Keep Stinking Up The Whole House.

[dogday]

63. I did not think you were funny

what you said though like Rove is some untouchable person who will never be held accountable for his own actions. He will be, the stink will be so bad a few of them might just make the exit door....

[RedstDem]

65. Untouchable To Bush Only

If Georgie Wants To "Fire" The Turd, He'd At Least Need Dick's Permission.
btw Can Turd Boy Be Shit Canned By Congress ? Or Just By His "Boss" ?

[dogday]

66. Dick is thinking better Rove than me

You know this is Dick's style, I have always thought he might play a part in this, if it comes down to it. I don't know about Congress unless maybe an act of treason is involved?

[Lex]

60. Martha Stewart went to jail on the COVER-UP and obstruction & so will Rove

and I hope a few others who CONSPIRED with him.

Martha Stewart wasn't even found guilty on the underlying crime, but the cover-up and lies.

Remember, the Feds got Al Capone on tax evasion.


This guy Fitzgerald is no dummy.

[jim3775]

62. I am convinced that Bush and Cheney are...

going to cut Turdblossom loose from their mafia family and totally disown him once the indictments come down. As soon as the finger starts to point away from rove and toward bush and cheney they will dump everything on him to minimize the damage to themselves.

[RedstDem]

64. Your Right About That

I Just Hope The Feds Can Get All The Way Up The Ladder To Take Cheney Down Before It's All Over, I Know Damn Well Dicky Boy's Hands Are In This Too, Hell, The Shrub Won't Know WTF To Do,...Being In Charge At Point. He'll Probably Visit Them In Prison Everyday To Ask What Today's Business Should Be...