Lost a job over a DU post.. We are being watched friends....

[walldude]

Where to begin? I wanted to post this yesterday but I was told to keep my mouth shut until the show was over(read the post, you'll understand) if I wanted to get paid for the work I had already done. The night before last I made this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4087162

As you can see I had some great suggestions and was prepared to combine some of them into the flier yesterday to spread around today. I never got the chance. At 12:30 in the afternoon yesterday the head of the company I was working for came to the booth and told me the client hadn't paid the bill and I had to leave, they were shutting the booth down. This has happened before on rare occasions so I didn't think it was too strange. About 4:00 that afternoon I get a phone call. They called to ask me how to run the videowall. Well, at that point the guy just starts rambling about how they had to send someone else in, because "security" had called saying a guy working at the show posted a message on an Internet board under the name of Walldude and was "threatening to blow the place up". (I obviously let a little too much information out in the original post, they had no trouble figuring out who I was. I had actually tried to edit the post later to remove the city and booth info but the edit time had expired) Now, he's telling me this as he has a copy of the post right in front of him. I was so shocked all I could do was argue semantics with him for a few minutes. Then I told him what to do to run the wall so the show could continue and hung up. I was stunned. They had turned what I wrote into a "security risk" and had me removed from the show.
Now I only lost a day and a half's work over this, but I doubt the company will ever use me again. I have alot of friends working there and work is pretty thin in the summer, so that kinda sucks. But what's really bothering me, is the fact that someone actually saw the post and alerted someone about it. All anyone will tell me is "security called" and they have no idea how security found out. As more and more of the shock wore off, and my brain started functioning again, I started to get so pissed off that I couldn't see straight. I tried Googling different keywords and combinations of words from the post to see if it showed up but it didn't. I tried other search engines to make sure, but it looks like they weren't specifically hunting for posts related to the trade show. That means someone was here, saw the post, put the old GOP spin on it and got me fired from the gig.
Now the really fucked up part of this if you think about it is, they all had copies of the post. Security, the decorating company, the company that hired me. It was obvious I didn't threaten to blow the place up, I even talked about how nice alot of the people were. Yet, even with the facts right in front of their faces, they still insisted on repeating the mantra. How easily the weak minded are swayed. I started thinking that if people are this easily manipulated I really should of bought one of those Rapture Kits while I had the chance.
I hope the story doesn't get passed around to other companies I work for, the spin has already got me making bomb threats, next they'll have me on the show floor with bombs strapped to my chest screaming Allah! Allah! That would probably end my career real quick.
Other than that I am unscathed. All this, plus a death in the family this week, coupled with the attempts to spin Rove into a hero has only steeled my resolve against the growing fascism in this country. I realized that most of the people are sheep, happy to go about their lives believing everything the government tells them. Like the Germans in WWII, they won't bother to see the truth until it's too late. The least I can attempt to do is make sure they can't claim ignorance....

[KeepItReal]

1. Who's machine were you surfin D.U. on?

Curious

[kittenpants]

2. whoa! I'm so sorry.

I'm just reading your post quickly & checking the other post you linked to, but that is crazy that someone was spying on you! Wer Was it a work computer or your own?

on edit--gotchya, someone was reading DU & figured it out. my bad!

[walldude]

9. This was done at home

on my own machine, off work hours...

[kittenpants]

11. that is seriously scary!

and again I'm sorry this happened to you.

[KeepItReal]

13. Someone put 2 and 2 together from your post.

Sorry.

[walldude]

62. More like I put 2 and 2 together

for them on my own... :banghead:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

153. Be stealthier next time

Use PMs. Post preferentially from home. Use encrypted e-mail if you can get someone to set it up for you of have the skill yourself (i.e. http://enigmail.mozdev.org)

I hope you get another job. When you do it, DON'T SAY IN A PUBLIC FORUM WHAT IT OR THEY'LL KEEP HARASSING YOU.

Just say "I got a new job. Fuck you freepers and sphincterers." They'll get the message.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

3. damn, that sucks

i remember reading that post.
wow, we are being watched.

[madeline_con]

4. GeeSUS!

"threatening to blow the place up". ???

You need to contact the ACLU, hire an attorney, at the least, it's slander. Your freedom of speech is being violated. Don't roll over and play dead!

[madeline_con]

10. GeeSUS!

"threatening to blow the place up". ???

You need to contact the ACLU, hire an attorney, at the least, it's slander. Your freedom of speech is being violated. Don't roll over and play dead!


EDIT:
"Then I told him what to do to run the wall ..."

I would have told them where they could put it!

[walldude]

Can't afford to hire an attorney,

was thinking about the ACLU but unless something worse happens(more work loss, whatever) because of all this I'd think they'd have bigger fish to fry...

[madeline_con]

36. May be able to find Pro Bono

attorney just itching for something like this.

If the job wasn't all that important, that's cool, but if it leads to more problems., look into some low or no cost legal help.

The thing about blowing stuff up would make me want to know the source of that tidbit. If the suits don't come knocking anytime soon, the guy was maybe just talking out his ass.

[burrowowl]

91. You are right

ACLU is overworked and only take bigger cases that they have the man power to handle and sometimes they don't have the manpower to handle them.
Keep up the good fight!
Cheers :toast:

[gumby]

5. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!

This is HORRIBLE!!!!! What else to say???

[Catherine Vincent]

6. That's a shame man. It was probably a fucking freeper.

They read DU religiously. A while back another DUer was fired from his job at a radio station after a fucking freeper lied about him. You have to be real careful on what info you give out here. I am sorry no one warned you.

[lildreamer316]

7. Oh. My. God.(sorry about pun)

I believe you might have a case for wrongful dismissal here. Maybe. The fact that you were planning to hand out leaflets would probably be a sticking point, but that would have just been solicitaion; quite a ways from bombing!!

Gee. Now I'm scared to post here. This SUCKS.

[madeline_con]

16. "Now I'm scared to post here"

That's the whole point. We can't let underhanded assholes shut us down, and take our freedoms. Stand strong, FIGHT! :patriot:

[DuckFan4ever]

184. Continue to post.

Don't give out information to the extent he did. Have to look out for your own self.

[noamnety]

32. I think you're probably out of luck

They have a right to fire you if you were putting subliminal stuff in a company product, and to be honest, if we'd read a freeper posting a similar thing, we'd go after him as well.

It's too late to help with this, but if you pass the edit time and you have a serious concern about something you've posted, you can alert on your own post and ask a mod to just delete the whole thing. Not that I've ever done that. ;-)

[habitual]

132. Reverse the tables

If I worked somewhere and saw a freepers post claiming to have done what you did with the subliminal message and the plans you were making, i would have alerted security to have you removed as well.

I support you and your cause, but i think more preparation and consideration of the method is necessary.

[Misunderestimator]

142. delete

wrong spot

[ScamUSA.Com]

133. exactly... messing with data IS a security issue

but someone ratting on you really sucks

[1monster]

69. Modify your profile. Be careful of leaving any tip offs as to who you are.

Sigh.

[JDPriestly]

8. Check with a lawyer or, even better, several lawyers

Call around. You probably don't have any legal recourse, but you should check just to make sure.

[BiggJawn]

12. Man, you sure stepped in it.

I read the other thread. You couldn't have done a better job of outing yourself if you had posted that post under the name your mom gave you along with your picture on FR.

somebody read the post, copied it, found out how to get ahold of security at the venue your show was at, then told them "there's some guy who built the videowall at the booth selling the old BBC tapes of the "Narnia" trilogy and he's an Al-Ka-Seltzah operative..."

You got outed by a lurking FReeper Troll, IMO....

[chalky]

37. But he COULDN'T have been identified...

The freeper never used his name! :sarcasm:

[BiggJawn]

45. Of course not!

He said "you know, the Videowall's HUSBAND?"

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Word!

[Bouncy Ball]

14. Reich-wingers spend alllllllllllllll their time reading this site.

It's their favorite thing to do.

[madeline_con]

19. Thay have empty lives...

and need t ofeel important, so they "file reports" and other nonsense.

[Bouncy Ball]

22. Yep.

walldude means nothing to them, smallll potatoes, but it's how they get their rocks off.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Of course

No shame indeed.

[DBoon]

55. In the olden times

people like this got their neighbors sent to "the camps"

[gumby]

75. Hey,

I've heard my neighbors suggest (skipping the camps) just out and out killing "liberals."

[madeline_con]

93. "killing "liberals."

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Ann Coulter

[madeline_con]

87. Yes, indeedy

:(

[moodforaday]

130. Can't blame them

Where else will they find the truth?

[Stephanie]

15. Watch what you say, dude! Watch what you do! They are watching you.

There are sad and lonely people who spend their days analyzing DU and figuring out ways to fuck with us. If you give them any personal ID they will fuck you up. They are the new brownshirts. Go over to www.freerepublic.com and search to see if you find any info on yourself. I would not be surprised if it came from there.

Maybe you missed this post - terminal cancer patients are not exempt from GOP hate tactics:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=383284&mesg_id=383284

[walldude]

25. Yeah, I've been following Andy's story

He died the same day as my brother-in-law. And so everyone knows I realized I screwed up giving too much info but by the time I went back to edit the post it was too late. DU has a time limit on editing posts...

[Stephanie]

52. You can alert on yourself and ask the mods to delete, in an emergency

Live and learn. Seriously, since when did we have to watch everything we said in case there was a stalker out there waiting to pounce and report on us? It's the BROWNSHIRT era, friends.

[Radio_Lady]

97. Thanks, Stephanie. I didn't know we could do this --

I've had "second thoughts" about stuff I've posted, but didn't know this was an option.

[TreasonousBastard]

180. It certainly is. We try to catch this stuff ourselves, but...

we can't see everything and we aren't always sure what we should delete.

But, if you ask us to delete something of yours, we will almost always oblige.

And, if anyone sees something like this that looks like it could cause trouble, please alert us then, too.

[jzodda]

187. Read this thread...read the original..an attorneys take

Now leaving aside the bomb threat stuff for a second I scanned your original post in the other thread a few times. Your problem is that you were paid to do a job and by admitting that you altered the work product for even 1/30th of a second you left yourself open to being fired. Your mistake was not in altering the stuff (at 1/30th of a second we all know nobody could catch you using the naked eye) but in posting about it here. Some repuke read the info and then called to report on you. Its ok to even post about it here but not with locations and info that makes it easy to track you down.

As to the security dude...well who knows how rumors get started but its obvious that any simple reading of that post could never make anybody think that there was anything security related about it. It was probably people talking shit for the sake of it. We all know how its done-but just in case keep a copy of your original post and this one here and write down in detail everything that happened that day before the details go dim in your memory. This way if it comes up in months from now you will be able to totally refresh your memory.

Overall though my advice is to not advertise any editing of your work product that the client did not want or pay for. Or at least anything that can identify you personally. You would be shocked how easy it is these days as you now know


regards

[holboz]

17. we know freepers lurk here...

And you gave enough info in your post (event, city) so they could raise a stink at your expense. IMO, though, what they did was the equivelent of yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater.

That's good Christian values, for you. Nobody likes a snitch!!

[kittenpants]

28. freeper-Christians love to snitch!

they want to tell God on us, but the GOP is the only response they can get.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Right

At my church last Sunday we were talking about that. About snitches and how you shouldn't do that and you should go to the person themselves and talk and the proper way to deal with something. More proof these people don't follow what they preach.

[MazeRat7]

18. Sounds to me like your "client" was hooked up with freeper-ville

While I am sorry about the outcome, for Gods sake (pun intended) you posted on an internet chat board all the necessary details to ID you and what you were doing there at freeper central. I am not surprised really. They live for that shit. Next time, keep your cards closer to your chest... How far do you think the freeway blogger would have gotten if he posted where he was going to strike next ? See my point ?

Oh and keep up the great effort. *grin.

MZr7

[gulfcoastliberal]

20. Beware of Websense

I worked for 4 different bosses under 2 years at this one company and the last one turned out to be a majorly neanderthal freeper. Suddenly he calls me into his office to terminate me for "internet use" with no warning. It turns out they use a program called Websense that tracks what sites you visit. None of my other bosses cared, but this one did - he mentioned DU. If you log on from a corporate computer, their WWW server most likely has Websense installed. I think the only way around it is to set up a remote connection to your home PC and surf from there. Or a proxy server of some sort, I'm not too sure. Websense is diabolical.

Sorry you got fired though. That sucks.

[walldude]

41. I work freelance, all my Internet activity is done at home.. n/t

[DBoon]

50. Websense has a blocking category called "activism", too

The sample sites they give for what it blocks were like "body shop" types of places. Innocuous environmental lifestyle stuff.

[GeekMonkey]

162. i used to connect to my home pc via terminal services

and surfed DU from there to get around the websense logs

granted, being the IT guy, I could alter the websense logs at any time, but this seemed safer

[ClusterFreak]

21. That's really too bad.....but....

...honestly, if someone you don't know and have never met may ask, "What were you thinking?" Although I agree wholeheartedly with your political views as relate to your predicament selling those wingnutty books, you kind of asked for what you got. Sounds like you let your guard down, again, if I may be so bold. You gave these people ammunition to give you the gas...and if they feel like embellishing it to make it a cleaner cut for them, what can you possibly say in your defense..."well I didn't say I'd blow the place up....I only said everybody here was nuts!!" I feel bad for you, and you seem like an intelligent enough person to learn from this mistake.
This too shall pass.

Peace.

:)

[Bouncy Ball]

27. Surely you aren't excusing the freepers who made it their business

to act like little tattle-tales are you?

I mean, yeah, posting information here is just stupid, but that doesn't make THEIR actions any better.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

38. Ruh-roh

x(

[KeepItReal]

119. ROTFLMAO... you saw it coming...

[ClusterFreak]

39. I never said it did.

:shrug:

[Bouncy Ball]

42. ...

"...you kind of asked for what you got"

Same thing some people say when a woman dressed in a miniskirt gets raped.

[ClusterFreak]

58. Look...I'm not here to get into a chatroom argument....

...I think I made the point I wanted to make, and I can see a number of other people have taken similar positions....

I'll just say this...he posted enough damning info on an internet chatroom to identify himself...and then he got identified, and then he got fired. Doesn't really have much to do with raping women in miniskirts, it has more to do with not posting internet messages which can get you fired.

And yes, I take offence at your analogy.

Goodnight.

:rant:

[Bouncy Ball]

65. Take offense at it all you want.

And this isn't a chatroom.

But saying he was "asking for it" is the same exact thing people say in the analogy I used. Same reasoning, everything.

I even SAID his listing the information was stupid, but what I take umbrage at in your post was justifying what the reich wingers did.

So if a woman leaves her purse next to me, forgets it and walks away, that was pretty stupid of her and well, she was pretty much asking for it if I take it, right? Doesn't make it right for me to do that, does it?

[ClusterFreak]

89. Last word from me and then I'm out....

....looks like this could go on all night....so I'll sum up, and then be gone....

...I can see you're fond of analogies about rape and stealing purses...but let me chime in with one of my own....

...I say he "kind of asked for it", yes indeed a choice of words which has obviously touched a nerve with you, and I'm sorry for that.
Would you not agree, being a progressive thinker yourself, that Karl Rove "kind of asked for it" ('it' here being the shit hitting the fan)when he confirmed/leaked the identity of a CIA agent to the press?? Or, is the term "kind of asked for it" strictly reserved for situations involving short-skirted women 'deserving' rape or forgetful women who leave their purses behind 'deserving' to get their purse stolen??

Give me a fucking break. And honestly, as I write this I'm pissed off at myself for even getting sucked into such a stupid, tangential argument having virtually nothing to do with walldude's original post.
I feel bad for the guy, for what happened to him. Just like I have felt bad for myself in the past, when I goofed off at work once (playing cards instead of doing my job), knowing that my boss could return at any moment. Guess what? He did, and he told me and my other goofing-off coworkers to "get back to work, or expect to be fired within the hour!!"

And yes....I "kind of asked for it"....ya gotta problem with that??


:applause:

[Bouncy Ball]

100. I don't see how the Rove case is even slightly related to this, but

whatever.

Obviously you can't address the fact that you justified what reich wingers have done.

Your boss asking you to get back to work is a PERFECTLY legit request, seeing as, uh, he's YOUR BOSS.

What the reich-wingers did, though, was wrong. Walldude never threatened to bomb anything AND because of DUers response, he even took the frame out of his video! So how did he even REMOTELY deserve to lose his job????

He didn't. What they did was wrong. It was stupid of him to post the information and it was WRONG of whatever freeper fucktard called up and LIED about him saying he was going to bomb the place.

He didn't ASK to be lied about, now did he?

[tblue37]

156. See my post below.

One poster actually did suggest blowing the place up--though he said it jokingly and explicitly identified it as a joke. But the message about blowing the place up, though posted by someone other than Walldude, actually was there on Walldude's thread, and the snitches attributed it to Walldude.

[ISUGRADIA]

44. Frankly if there was a similar posting on free republic

that someone was putting a "John Kerry is a Traitor" into video at a liberal event would it be right to just ignore it?

[Bouncy Ball]

49. I'm not a buttinski and it sounds like no one is getting hurt.

Besides, I'm sure someone at a liberal event would say something about that.
:rofl:

[insane_cratic_gal]

60. We do it all of the time

here! Very true Bouncy!

I guess he hasn't seen us? Kerry sucks.. Dean sucks.. No Bill Clinton sucks.(literally)..

So for the verbal assault to stop from a subliminal message on screen is minor in comparison the rugby politics we have here.

[walldude]

57. Well that would be a lie so It's a little different

if you had read all of the responses in the other post you'd have seen that I was warned that it was illegal and I immediately removed the message. ;)

[ISUGRADIA]

107. Sorry, my bad, should pay closer attention when I read sometimes

[beam me up scottie]

63. Gosh, how kind of you.

Hint: Don't go into the greeting card business.

[skids]

23. Yes, we are being watched.

I thought it was a bad move to post the name of the conf when you did, but by then it was too late to do anything about it.

Folks, keep in mind that there are freepers lurking these boards 24/7. I have no doubt they cover us enough to read most posts, and they have nothing they would like to do more than earn their "street creds" by screwing with a DU member.

Don't post any information that they might find actionable here.

[SoCalDem]

88. Anyone..even if not the original poster can alert

I do it all the time when folks get a little too specific..Just alert and call the attention to the moderators about the post.. They can either get admin to delete stuff (if the editing time is past) or you can send a PM to the poster if time's not up :)..Of course if a freepie sees it right away and saves it, time's up the second you push reply..

If those freaks would delay cancer surgery by their scam, it does not surprise me that they would do this.. they tried to have Will Pitt fired once :)

[skids]

104. Thanks.

...I'll keep that in mind.

[Mike Niendorff]

24. re: "threatening to blow the place up"

Document this slanderous accusation if at all possible (witnesses? written correspondence?). Then, contact an attorney.


MDN

[OhNoTheyDidNot]

157. One of the posters in the original post said to blow up the place

The poster said nothing of the sort. I agree - he should contact an attorney

[insane_cratic_gal]

26. It was probably a Freeper

Look what they did to Andy. There was abusive behavior towards people who helped him raise money! Vandalized Car, Telegrams, hate mail.


I'm really sorry that happened to you =/

[mirandapriestly]

29. That makes me sick

Probably some random freeper read your post, then figured out where you were working from the information you gave. They are evil and pathetic. I do hope you can try to fight it.

[AwakeAtLast]

30. If you posted from your home, call a lawyer now!

They had absolutely no right to dismiss you. Even if you had made a threat, they would have had to arrest you and charge you with something. You have not committed a crime in any way, shape, or form. To relieve you on the spot is grounds for a lawsuit.

Hope this turns out alright for you! :hi:

:hug:

[lvx35]

31. Disgraceful abuse of security services.

This is not the first time that freepers have wasted time of security personel or government security to pursue nonsense personal vendettas. Haven't the ever heard the story of the little boy who cried wolf?

[Catherine Vincent]

33. I'll bet if you check over at freakrepublic, the prick

is bragging about how he got you fired. Lowlife scum they are.

[ISUGRADIA]

34. It may be something less sinister but still as damaging

Freeper wife (or friend, or cousin, etc.) is on DU trolling around. They see freeper in your posting subject, read it, and know a person at the show. Call him up and relate your post. The person prints it out, it gets related to an official and bingo, your trouble start.

Similar scenario freeper sees the post, gets pissed and contacts The Christian Retailers Association relating what you said.

Good luck and be very vague in your details with future posts of this nature.

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bouncy Ball]

40. Find it quick before they scrub it.

[Catherine Vincent]

70. I just read it.

One poster mentioned getting him fired and then later posted the phone number asking if anyone is interested in contacting the company. Typical freepers.

[AuntPatsy]

74. Glad you found it, because I coulnd't, I was going nuts trying to.

[deadparrot]

43. I have absolutely no legal background,

but I ask those who do: is this legal?

[1monster]

79. If it is a right to work state, then yes. You can be fire for any reason

or no reason at all and you have no recourse.

However, if they pass on information as to why they fired you and it is not true, there are grounds for a lawsuit.

Problem there is it is hard to prove unless they commit it to paper or someone is willing to testify. And even if you win/settle your case, your lawyer is gonna get at least 40% of your winnings/settlement.

[Pepperbelly]

131. You are conflating 'right to work' with 'at will' I think. nt

[1monster]

150. No. I live in a "right to work" state. It is Orwellian double speak, but

"right to work" means in reality that an employer can fire an employee for any or no reason and the employee has no recourse.

DU has had discussions on this before.

[Pepperbelly]

171. right to work provisions ...

prevent closed shops. IOW, it makes it difficult to organize. That is all it deals with. What you are thinking of is "at will" employment which is draconian but not as draconian as employers pretend it to be.

[Touchdown]

149. Colorado is NOT a right to work state

...although our Bush-Crony Texas immigrant Governor has tried to make it one. He keeps getting shot down by the legislature.

[0rganism]

163. Careful with those metaphors

You can see what the freeps will do with them.

[Touchdown]

166. OOPS! I meant their....THEIR governor.

I live in New York, or is it Pennsylvania, maybe California. No, no! Tennessee. That's it! :evilgrin:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

158. Almost all employment is "at will" and he more likely than not

was fired for cause

We can all be held responsible for the manner in which we represent our companies in the media and YES this is the media.

Certain acts such as whistle blowing may be protected, but he gave enough information to be identified and his company may even have an employee manual that specifically precludes what he did.

As SoCalDem stated above, we need to take caution with what we post.
I often hit the alert where I feel people have shared information that may come back to harm them

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Scary

I'm sorry hon. :hug:

[leftofthedial]

48. I'm bummed for you

but that IS what we're up against.

Fascism. They brook no dissent from their narrow world view and eschew no "means" because they firmly believe that their "ends" are divinely justified. In other words, they are wholly amoral in my experience.

To be brutally honest, I also think that the subliminal message you inserted was unethical.

The flyers would have been brilliant though.

[walldude]

54. Yeah that was pointed out to me

in the previous post so when I went in that morning I took it out...

[leftofthedial]

56. I wish you well.

Are you based in Colorado?

If I can, I can possibly pass work your way.

[walldude]

59. Yes I am... send me a PM...

[emdee]

61. Does anyone wonder if Scamdy has found a new hobby?.....

After seeing that site, I now know that many people either have way too much time on their hands or else they take other people's business more seriously than their own.

I'm sorry this has happened to you. It was wrong for someone to do that.

emdee

[hiley]

64. so sorry this

happened to you..

[ebayfool]

66. Wow, what are the odds that someone else posted on that thread that was at

the same show? Do you know him? XOKCowboy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4087162#4087870

XOKCowboy (354 posts) Tue Jul-12-05 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Dude... You wouldn't believe the booths there.
I was there during setup and was amazed. The booths I saw were mostly for childrens books and it was sickening. The only hope is that as in most generations, the kids rebel against their parents.

My favorite booth was selling BibleMan The Video! Willy Ames fighting against secularism, evolution and impure thoughts. I hear it's a best seller in the religious crowd.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4087162#4087853

XOKCowboy (354 posts) Tue Jul-12-05 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
40. Brother.. Wondered if the show was getting to ya...
I'd be pulling my hair out if I had to hang around there all day.

Let me know if I can help in any way. It's a losing cause from what I saw though. Those people are beyond help. The thing about fundies is they know "THE WAY" and anything that goes contrary to what they're told shakes their faith and faith is all they got. Logic and facts are lost on them.

Good luck and spread the good word.

---------------
Watch yourself, from the stuff I've seen lately ... most of these creeps aren't satisfied w/one bite out of the apple. They like to keep coming back for more!

I'm sorry that the little pervs messed w/your livelihood, they probably don't have to work for a living.

[anitar1]

78. Had Raygun not shut down the mental institutions

may of these freepers would be in them under heavy medication, IMO.

[Catherine Vincent]

80. LOL. Thanks for the laugh.

Goodnight.

[walldude]

86. Yeah Cowboy is a good friend of mine,

he actually helped me do the setup on that job. He was the first guy I called when it all went down...

[ebayfool]

103. He should be wary of blowback as well then.

Like I said - these psychos don't stop at one shot. They apparently have no life except for the pseudo-life they try to create stalking & harassing DUers. Pitiful wretches? Nah, people that go out of their way to harm like they do don't even rate that high.

[MeDeMax]

67. that isuch a shame

Wouldn't surprise me to find out that we the tax payers are paying for some conservative led organization to spy on us via postings in the name of homeland security.

There probably is an event room connecting the dots between events happening in "areas of interest" and postings appearing on "websites of interest".

[rumpel]

68. Sorry for what happened. But I thought, we still have freedom of speech.

It is unfortunate that people are disrciminated against because of their views.

I looked at your post and I fail to see, where you imply to "bomb" the place. Did I miss something here?
People appear to be extremely nervous about such words nowadays, even when freepers are allowed to threaten with death, mind you, and actually cause harm to an innocent man.
I guess the latin phrase in these times still applies: Quod licet Yovi non licet Bovi (what is allowed for Yovi is not allowed for Bovi)

Hang in there a better job will emerge.

[beam me up scottie]

71. I am so sorry.

I've wondered if the same thing could happen to me.
I guess it's a chance many of us take when we express our opinions.
I don't even dare to put bumper stickers on my car because of where I live.
Kudos to you for expressing yourself, it's better than being a PRozac Zombie.

How revoltingly Orwellian this is.

Again, I am so sorry this happened to you, and angry that it happened to one of us.

Dammit, it feels like they did do it to us.

[AuntPatsy]

72. cat girl found it...

[Ladyhawk]

73. As an ex-fundy, I couldn't have handled the environment you were

working in, so I understand your frustration. Still, it was a bad idea to include the subliminal "Impeach Bush" frame in the video. I don't believe subliminal messages like that work, but it was still not a good idea--definitely not in line with your job description, I'm guessing? I'm not sure about your "fliers." That might have been okay, depending upon the rules of the event concerning solicitation.

But because I absolutely can't stand fundamentalism, I might have been tempted to do something, too. :shrug: Anything that can be considered destructive is wrong, but believe me, I've felt frustration that deeply and nearly succumbed, myself.

Now for the freeper: it was doubly wrong for someone to sniff you out based on a DU post. That was a low thing to do, but then again, after what happened to Andy, I'm not shocked by anything the extreme right wing does.

Jesus, we had better all start being a little more careful. :(

[katamaran]

76. Sorry you got canned

You had my 100% sympathy until you said you added a frame to the video. Then you only had 90% sympathy. Despite your feelings, you did break the contract with what some would deem inflammatory behavior. If I did it in my job (and I can do it), I would be kicked to the curb so fast the skin on my ass would be sheared off. Not because of my political beliefs, but because I broke the trust of my employer. My boss did something similar once...added the phrase "Love your mother" to a promotional spot for one frame, and he got suspended a week without pay. The only reason he got caught was that HIS boss happened to hit pause at the EXACT right moment.

That said, the fact that some dipshit turned you in like that sucks. But if you post THAT specific of info, you're almost waving a red flag in front of a freeper. I agree that things get way too Orwellian. But you set yourself up for it.

[applegrove]

77. I think if you work for anyone you should leave them out of your posts.

I am not surprised what happened. Same as if you were caught bad-mouthing the place where you worked. This has happened before. You have to treat a public forum like a public place. Not like having dinner with a close friend.

Don't get if you threatened them or not - but really - if you threaten anyone - even in joking - that is not good.

Sorry for you.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

81. Fight this

If not for the principal of it, then for your career. Contact the ACLU and they will direct you where you need to go. I think some posters above have located where it came from, use it against them. There is no reason to put up with someone telling lies about you.

I'm really sorry they did this to you. They are childish and cruel, and I would say that about any person who jacked with someone's livelihood like this, no matter what political affiliation they were.

[eleny]

82. And they're probably reading this posting of yours, as well

[Fiona]

83. I read your thread yesterday

and to be frank, it was sort of dumb to post that.

[walldude]

YEAH OK I GET IT ALREADY

I figured that out a little too late to edit the post... I also figured it out when I got fired.

[Radio_Lady]

99. Walldude, sorry for your pain. I sent you a PM just now. All you can

do now is try to do some damage control. Really -- hope you have a better day tomorrow.

[beam me up scottie]

90. Yes, and inconsiderate of his relative to pass away, too.

If he wanted to get pissed on, he go to the freepers.

Nice way to support a fellow DUer.

WHat is wrong with people this week ?

[Fiona]

92. I'm sorry

I take it back. It's really smart to post how you plan to sabotage your employer.

:eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

95. Did he ask for you to tell him what he did wrong ?

I must have missed that.


I'll bet you're a real cut-up at funerals,
"Well the dumb ass shouldn't have eaten that sushi."

[jbnow]

124. The thing about your post is

he already said several times that he blew it...that it was "his fault." Note at the start of this thread:
walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Fri Jul-15-05 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #13
62. More like I put 2 and 2 together
for them on my own...

If he kept saying he was an innocent victim your post might have pointed something out. Instead it was like he said he was dumb for juggling glass shards and cutting himself and you told him he was dumb and put salt in those wounds.

[AuntPatsy]

98. I agree, hit a man when he is already down, nice, it's obvious

he knew early on what was up but wasn't quick enough to stop the landslide...

You know, I've been on many sites, one of the reason I found this one to be a base so to speak was because of the comradship I first saw, well, after reading other sites and hearing the joy and hoops and hollars how many have trolls on this board to disrupt, I am not only sickened by such behaviour from adults, I am sick to death of this inner war that this new adminstration has heaped on us unsuspecting Americans...

The hate I witnessed on other boards was downright chilling, I always hoped it would not happen on this site...

Sure I made fun earlier of the silly attempt at humor from another site that trolled here, but it wasn't meant to be harsh and cold, it was only meant to make people see how childish they are attacking, but only because I was directed to that site from someone on this one did I even happen upon it, perhaps it is a good rule that one cannot name sites that hate people they don't even know,,

This behavior does not make me feel better about our future in this country at all, hurting someone like what was done now to WB by getting him to lose his job because of his politics is simply the most pathetic form of school yard bullying and yes, nazi style tactics that tell big brother what thy neighbor is up to..

He doesn't need to be scolded like a child over and over again, this is supposed to be a community for support, and even freepers or the equivilent, how can you honestly say you hate people simply because their politics differ from yours, its surreal...

[beam me up scottie]

101. I'm going through a very bad time

right now myself, the first place I came to was DU, but I would never have posted in GD because I know this is what happens.
I posted in a couple of groups with the people who know me and the support was overwhelming, it totally blew me away.

There are some wonderful people here, but you'll find plenty of the other kind as well.

And, unfortunately, when someone is down, that's where you'll find them.

[AuntPatsy]

106. Im sorry to hear that, there's good days and bad days, its life,

we deal with it, but one of the good things in life has got to be the fact that one is not alone. Obviously you have found some connection on this board, I am not really letting it happen like that, I guess I knew this would eventually take place just like you did, and all in all, Im not exactly a trusting person these days...

Your right, there really is some wonderful people here, if I am to be honest, there is on other sites as well, the trouble is, I have seen them get caught up in a frenzy typical of a group of sharks attacking when one smells blood, they all gang up..

I have tried not to join such packs, I think I have fairly succeeded, but by and by, I still cannot in all honesty understand the mindset of those that demand that all people become clone like in this country, it's disheartening and not at all healthy for true growth...

We don't have much time on this earth when you think about it, surely our time could be better spent attempting to find some form of middle ground that can at least find us all at least being able to be civil to each other regardless of political and personal viewpoints and or lifesytles...

I guess thats asking too much ;-) Oh well. I hope things get better for you, time to hit the sack..way past my bedtime..

[beam me up scottie]

112. Oh, you must stop

hanging out in GD and the Lounge. :spank:
Check out the non political forums and groups.
It's a much slower pace and there's not much need to be defensive.
Really.
There are so many of them, I'm sure you'll find something that interests you.

If you like animals, try the Pets Group, everybody there is wonderful.
Lots of positive information and stories, but some sad.

I donated $5 when I first joined DU so that I could post in the groups. I was unemployed and it was all I could afford.
I've donated twice since then and it's been worth the price a thousand times over.

It's good to take a break from the madness, it helps me to remember that we're all here for a reason, community.

[WhiteTara]

84. how gracious that you told them how to work the unit

I would have hung up on them personally.

[Must_B_Free]

85. sounds like you were a threat to the job you were supposed to do

as I read your post from yesterday it sounded like you were intentionally sabotaging the work product by injecting your political view.

What did you really expect? You were sabotaging the product that your employer is selling. If you owned Charmin, would you want an employee pre-shitting on the toilet paper you sell?

[beam me up scottie]

94. What did he expect ?

How about support ?
How about kindness ?
How about compassion ?

Or, how about not saying anything if you can't manage any of those ?

I don't remember him asking for a f*cking critique of what he did wrong, but thanks anyway.

Duly noted.

[Must_B_Free]

170. Your response is ridiculous

he posted hit on a web board, that's not asking for a critique?

The premise of the poster is pathetic. He sabotaged his work and he blames his termination on freepers?

That's like the criminal at the end of scooby doo "I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you darn freepers".

He didn't get fired because of freepers, he got fired because he sabotaged his work and was a clear threat to his employer. And as a clear saboteur, it was smart for the employer to get him out without incident.

If it had proceeded and someone had noticed and complained to his employer, who would he be crying about then?

Hopefully you'll learn an important lesson from this. You actions reporesented our cause poorly also. Do you think I want my position associated with someone who treats people like that? It's just not cool.

It's like spitting in people's food. Just stupid and wreckless.

[beam me up scottie]

177. No, actually, yours was. He admitted he was wrong and he didn't need

a bunch of johnny-come-lately's jumping on him when he was down.
But then, you knew that.
Your response was nasty and irrelevant.
But then, what did I expect ?

You are worried about YOUR position?
:spray:
WHAT position ?
I don't even know who you are !!!
:rofl:

I do know that you reference Scooby Do movies and can't use spell check. Talk about embarrassing...

As a matter of fact, I think "You actions reporesented(sic) our cause poorly also."

I'd hate for anyone I know to read your post and have it reflect on me.

[Bouncy Ball]

102. I doubt he expected freepers to call up and lie about him,

saying he threatened to bomb the place when he never said any such thing.

[beam me up scottie]

116. I tell ya, BB,

I'm getting ready to go to bed, I see an interesting post, I click on it, read some nice posts and then, there it is.
Assholitus.
When you least expect it.
No hemorrhoid cream will cure it, it's terminal.
It affects those who also suffer from chronic nosensahumorous painintheassisus.
And it may be contagious.

[Bouncy Ball]

118. Don't read the post at the end of this thread then.

:wow:

[IChing]

96. Agent Smith was at work.

Agent Smith:
" It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Thomas A. Anderson, program writer for a respectable software company. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you... help your landlady carry out her garbage.

The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias "Neo" and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not. "


Neo:
"I know you're out there. I can feel you now.
I know that you're afraid... afraid of us. You're afraid of change.
I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end.
I came here to tell how it's going to begin.
I'm going to hang up this phone, and then show these people what you don't want them to see.
I'm going to show them a world without you."


Mouse: "To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human.

Morpheus: The Matrix is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.


I use this movie as a metaphor to describe what others I know, and myself ,have been subjected to,
with harassment and other "things", I will not describe here in public.

FUCK EM we saw this shit in the 50's

oh, and in the 30's in another country.
that was a nation in europe,
that spoke German
and had a system of government called ......................
oh, we can't use that word.
A nazi/ fascist tactic

[Tinoire]

105. PM me your contact details and CV

I promise absolutely nothing BUT I will indeed pass your CV around to people I know.

The circle I know is not based in Denver but I have a few contacts from events I had put on who maybe, just maybe, could use a video-wall whatever-it-is-you-do man someday.

PM me your info and an e-mail address so I can get your CV. I can at least pass it around to event planners I've worked with & event coordinators.

Good luck.

[Bouncy Ball]

108. That's awesome, Tinoire.

I hope he does get some more work. That would be great, not only for walldude, but to say "see look freeptards, he got work out of your little lie, so thanks! Cheers!"

:D

[Tinoire]

113. Me too- I hope the same!

I am sorry none of my contacts are in his area but I will do what I can and hope for one of Merh's ((((((((((ripples)))))))))). One of the event coordinators (artiste is a better word lol) that I know HATES Bush as much as I do. I'm thinking that even though she's based in CA, she 1. sometimes does stuff out of state and 2. can forward it on. Also, the Bush-hating event coordinators can throw his name around.

I just hope :)

And yes, your last point is really important to me now. I refuse to give any Bush/war supporters work. Fuck em. Let them understand what being jobless with no social help is like. Sorry, I'm particularly *itchy tonight... Just came from a thread that broke me already broken heart. Peace Bouncy :hi:

[Bouncy Ball]

115. ...

:hug:

I hear ya and it's a very nice thing you are doing. Go ripples!

[troubleinwinter]

109. Everybody READ this thread carefully.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x383284

Get ready.

[walldude]

110. Look folks...

You can stop telling me how bad I fucked up ok? No need to keep starting shit, I get it. I was pissed off, I did something stupid, I fixed it then I got busted for it.. that about sum it up for you? K...

IChing, awesome post...

And to the rest of my friends here, thank you for your support, so the rest of you know, my PM box is filling up faster than I can keep up with it... I love this place.

[bhunt70]

111. sucks, sorry to hear that first the Arab Assassin (rapper who got canned)

and now you. What happened to free speech? Especially when you do your job well.

[Name removed]

114. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bouncy Ball]

117. I want whatever you've been smoking.

Got any credible links to back up this assertion that he could go to federal prison for a single frame? 1/30th of a second?

:rofl:

Yeah, ok.

Hey if subliminal messages really worked, my mother in law would be filthy rich, incredibly thin and amazingly happy. She buys those subliminal message CDs ALL the freaking time.

She's not rich, she's not thin and she's miserable. Been listening to them for years.

So he should be glad a freeptard LIED and said he planned on BOMBING the place? That was a lie. Is THAT ok by you?

He never said any such thing.

Sounds like you totally condone what the freeptard did.

Hmmm.

[beam me up scottie]

120. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Are we in the twilight zone ?
I didn't hear the theme song...

[YankeeFan]

126. Making Subliminal Messages Itself is Wrong.

It’s one thing to do it like the Mister Subliminal jokes from Saturday Night Live several years ago. But what he did is still wrong. Imagine us a making a Pro Kerry campaign commercial two years ago and finding out later that there was a pro Repub frame or two in it. Everybody here would be frothing at the mouth over it.

That they don’t work is one thing. But because there easily fooled people in everywhere (including here, including freepers) somebody will believe he’ was trying mind control.

If a story comes out that we want subliminal messages sent everywhere in order to win the next election, there will be massive backlash. That most people will more or less scoff and use that famous scene in Star Wars to mock it (“These are not the Droids you are looking for.”), enough people would become enraged at us. The Rove scandal would be over shadowed very easily.

That it won’t really work isn’t the point. Too many people believe it does.

[Bouncy Ball]

160. Um, and you are IGNORING the fact that you admitted:

IT DOESN'T WORK.

If it doesn't work, WHY would people get into a lather about it.

Your assertion, quite frankly, is ridiculous. If someone put one pro-bush frame in a pro-Kerry commercial and we all found out later, you know what I would do?

LAUGH MY ASS OFF.

Why? Because that poor deluded soul actually went to all the trouble of splicing in a single frame that NO ONE NOTICED!!!

:rofl:

Seriously, that's a hoot.

Massive backlash? LOL, dude, you give subliminal messages, something even YOU admit doesn't work WAY too much credit.

And where's that proof he'd be sent to federal prison, huh? Still waiting on that....

[Hissyspit]

123. Subliminal messages don't work. n/t

[Selatius]

121. You've been bombed by a lurking Freeper

You revealed too much information about yourself, and someone with an ideological axe to grind found you out. You basically revealed your position, and somebody picked you off. You made it that much easier by mentioning what exactly you were doing (a tradeshow, the Christian Retailers Association tradeshow of all shows!) as well as the exact city you were in.

I would suggest that when you post here from now on, you post in a manner that does not reveal anything too personal about yourself. Please, you must tread lightly. I hope you stay safe. This is not child's play, as you are now painfully aware. Now, in this case it was your job, but it could have easily been your PHYSICAL SAFETY.

[sojourner]

122. Freepers are in here all the time and love nothing better than

to hurt (I think they'd seriously like to kill or torture) DUers. So the thing that comes to my mind is that one of them figured out where to take the info. They had plenty of information available to allow them to stroll in, talk with admin, show them what they had and....tada! You're busted.

Remember they hounded Andy and deliberately interfered with his treatment. They love nothing better than to do harm to others...so everyone, wake up to this "new" threat. Be circumspect in how/what you post here. There is NO privacy in America...least of all on the Internets.

[sandnsea]

125. Dude, I'd fire you too

Subliminal clips in videos? Looking for ideas to sabatoge the trade show? Nope, you took the job and if you couldn't keep your personal beliefs out of it, you should have quit. I can't believe you can't see how wrong you were.

[anarchy1999]

127. So sorry about your luck. Is there not a saying about history, not

knowing and then being doomed to repeat it. Welcome home to 1933 +, Germany/Hitler style. Sorry, rather cynical these days.

[TWiley]

128. Christianity has become the propaganda duct for the bushtapo.

When they talk about mobilizing their base, they mean inflaming the fundamentalists and sending them into the streets with pitchforks and torches.

Christianity in America is no longer a religion. It is a gawd damn PAC !

[LibertyorDeath]

129. That really does suck

My guess is the motherfucker that did it is posting in this thread

right now.

It's my firm belief that if every freep troll & rightwing goose stepping

sheep left this site right now the membership would drop by 5% at a minimum.

This is not in anyway meant to disparage the mods it's just the way it is.

So we're talking 5% of 73,246

[PleadTheFirst]

134. Damn, Wall ...

That is just plain sick. No doubt a lurking Freeptard saw your post here and was unfortunately able to contact the show heads because of the detail in your original post. Even worse, I'm sure the smug little brownshirt is here today reading the follow up, laughing into his can of Pabst Blue Ribbon that he got a "Daymn Lieberal" fired. These sickos exist to bring misery to anyone not in their own myopic sphere of Xtian Xenophobia.

I'm very, very sorry that you having the audacity to have an opinion that varied from theirs cost you your gig, and hope it has no further impact on your work.

Chin up, brother - you were doing the right thing, and those fascists are going to lose eventually thanks to folks like you not caving in.

Peace.

[Danger Duck]

135. Duh!

Wow what a shock. You gleefully post the location and type of trade show you're working in, and in the same post talk about how you're planting sublibinal messages that are contrary to the attendees beliefs. What a stupid thing to do. You deserve to be fired, not so much for doing that, but advertising it on this board. Besides, do a google search for "DUmmy FUnnies", and you'll see how many idiots moniter these pages. Also, Rush mentioned this site recedntly, which has to cause a spike in the traffic.

Here's some friendly advice from me, a business owner. Leave Politcs at home, they're always bad for business.

[fortyfeetunder]

136. Heed Danger Duck's message

Many companies are looking for excuses to fire employees. Regardless how trivial. Companies also have the technology to monitor what you view and write into the Internet.

Unless you are self-employed, please refrain from logging on to DU at work. It can wait until you get home.\

[Danger Duck]

152. Sorry,

I'm not tring to be harsh, but remember, mixing politics and work is always a bad ides. IN this situation, maybe alerting someone else to the situation would have been the better course. Good luck, and hopefully, you'll bounce back.

[patcox2]

137. Its unfortunate but you deserved it.

What the hell where you thinking?

Now here is what is sad. I could have a professional interest in what you are doing because I am involved in a couple of trade shows (attend two, organize one) and could possibly have a need for your services, or could refer others to you. And if I had just known you as a DUer I would have been inclined to toss you any business I could.

But now, I would worry. What if you have some political issues with the industry I am involved with, would you put subliminal messages in a display I hired you to design?

This advice to hire a lawyer is absolute horsecrap, by the way, I am an attorney, one of the conferences I am involved with is a law-related, I specialize in regulatory compliance, including employment law. You have no case whatsoever. In fact, as a contractor, rather than an employee, you have less than no case.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

173. Not anymore than a person who leaves his car window open

deserves to have it stolen. Stupid? Maybe. Deserved? No.

[IdaBriggs]

138. I would have fired you, too.

If you don't like the job, quit. If you plan on doing "subliminal messages" then you deserve to be fired. If you were just blowing off steam, then I'm sorry for your dilemma, and obviously, you don't deserve to be accused of planting bombs or anything, but seriously -- what were you thinking posting that stuff on a public message board???? Sigh. Stupidity should be painful, and it sounds like you are having a moment or two of pain....:(

[Fescue4u]

139. Exposing Political beliefs at work can be troublesome

Everyone should be free to believe as they choose, but that is clearly not the case.

There was a post on DU in the last week where a bank teller had discussed her love for Bush. (paraphrasing heavily).

A DU customer took heavy offense to this and in my estimation (and others in the thread), got the teller fired.

In this particular case, you went beyond just discussion, and into sabotage of the videos etc. You were moraly right, but legally and ethically wrong.

Live and learn. We all make mistakes. The wisest of us learn from them.

[Catherine Vincent]

140. As far as we know the Teller wasn't fired.

The OP said he didn't want her fired but just told to keep her politics to herself.

[Fescue4u]

143. We dont know either way.

but clearly the OP wanted action taken against the employee. The OP has no control of what action the bank did or did not take.

In the same vein, whoever reported this guy did not know what action the employer would take.

No different than this case, other than the possible severity of the discipline.

[Catherine Vincent]

146. The freeper that reported it wanted him to get fired.

He said something about blowing the place up which the poster did not say. This is different than the other case.

[Fescue4u]

147. Likely, but we don't know that much

We just know that the employer found out.

We have no information on the initial report. Common sense tells us it was a lurking freeper but there's many other possible explanations.

Since the employer has access to the actual thread, they can see that it was not the op that talked about blowing up the place, but a responder.

In the end, its clear to all (including the employer) that this was no threat, but a simpler case of vandalism and political disagreement.

[King Coal]

141. Walldude, you screwed up.

They had every right to fire you. Accept your mistake and move on, and next time, use your head. It is illegal to use subliminal messages like that. At least it should be. How would you feel if someone you hired did that to you?

[DoctorMyEyes]

144. I would have fired you too

You have no case for suing the employer,and I don't know what the people here advising you that you do are thinking. The ACLU? Please!

If you can't separate your professional duty from your personal beliefs you should say so - up front - to your employer. When you found out what the gig was you should have told your employer that you weren't comfortable with it and would like to take a pass on this job.

It would be one thing if you were some kind of undercover activist with the full expectation of getting kicked out if you were discovered. But, you weren't. You were an "activist of opportunity", plotting to disrupt their event while accepting their money.

As much as you (or I) might find the material offensive - it was theirs. It was their right to preach to their own choir without having someone on their own payroll disrupt it. You weren't doing what you were paid to do.

And another thing - I find all of the cheerleaders in the original thread who encouraged you and offered suggestions to be very immature, and not at all helpful. Any thinking person who cared on wit about your job or your well-being would have pointed out to you that you were wrong instead of encouraging this "workplace fantasy".

[DS1]

145. Dumb post

If you couldn't edit it, you should've alerted the mods and asked them remove the entire thread.

[smartvoter]

148. You just became wiser.

You are now wiser about issues of separating activism from your professional responsibilities. And you are more savvy about how much and what to divulge on the Internet. AND you learned that humor can be turned against you in written form.

Thanks for posting this -- it's a valuable reminder to activists about keeping themselves in check while on the clock.

[1932]

151. Here's why it's ridiculous to fire people over anonymoust internet posts.

This is what could have happened:

Say you're a freeper.

Step 1: Someone at DU could post with enough information to make it sound like you're that person, but make it sound like you're the most liberal person ever.

Step 2: Other freepers could read that post and try to get you fired for expressing liberal opinions.

{Now if that happened, freepers spread the word that apparently some asshole is trying to get them fired by spreading lies that they're liberal and maybe the witch hunters would have second thoughts about hunting witches.)

By the way, Wall guy, imagine you had covered your tracks by posting everything you did, but you indentified the product you were selling as the product sold by the biggest freeper at the show. They would have fired their own. What would people here think about that?

[AuntieM1957]

154. Well, isn't that a fine kettle of fish

What an unhappy situation.

I remember your original post, and the only thing I recall that might have been iffy is your reference to subliminal but certainly non-violent images inserted into the board.

What can I say except that I'm so sorry you lost the work, and that must have been so unpleasant to deal with - and embarrassing as well.
Maybe that's what they wanted to do - was make you miserable. I hope that you don't lose other work over it.

As for the religious and civil liberty issues, I agree with others who've advised you to contact the ACLU.

"Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."


I used to feel embarrassed, like I needed to apologize for those who use the name Christian as a weapon of mass destruction. Much prayer and meditation later, I realize that they just don't get it. Jesus was a powerful man because he was a non-violent, non-judgemental man - divinity is not the point. The message was the most powerful ever to hit the planet - then and now. U2 calls grace a force that changed the world.

That's what I wish you now - grace to get through this current unpleasantness. This, too, shall pass.

[Bouncy Ball]

161. I have often thought that they (freepers) rely far too much

on the information posted here and I have wondered what would happen if someone posted a purely fictional thread, but used the real name of say, a trade show or something and caused freepers to put out a hell of a lot of energy trying to get a non-existent person fired.

There are plenty of ways to do that. They just assume information posted here is correct, and in walldude's case, it was, but it is not always.

[1932]

167. And my point is that someone here could set up one of them.

How do they know that Walldude didn't just do that?

And even if Walldude didn't do that, what's to stop a DU'er from doing that now in retaliation?

[Bouncy Ball]

169. Yep, I see your point.

ANYTHING on message boards could be made up out of whole cloth, which is a very good thing to remember.

[Misunderestimator]

165. You are absolutely correct.

[tblue37]

155. This is the post from your original thread

that they used to say you were going to plant a bomb:

In Truth We Trust: "Here's one idea: Speak up to ignorance or just blow the fucking place up-"

ITWT then said he was just kidding about that last thought, but it appears that having such a comment on your thread, even though it was posted by someone else, was all it took.

[Misunderestimator]

164. Now THAT's interesting. If this sets any kind of precedent...

Anyone could post anything to incriminate the original poster. Very disturbing.

[tblue37]

181. I think it is

just a matter of careless reading. A lot of people don't notice who the poster is when they read a message and end up assuming it is the person who posted the original message.

[LuCifer]

159. I'd so sue them...

...or at least threaten them. Hopefully they would say FUCK IT and settle out of court to avoid negative publicity. Now, WTF? You say you did this AT HOME!? What is that about that they are reading your crap AT HOME!? Assuming you don't work at home with their machine. But still, this is SERIOUS BIG BROTHER BULLSHIT.

FUCK YOU FREEPERS AND BIG BROTHER! You're watching us!? Well fine, WATCH THIS...RIGHT HERE...MY MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED...assholes.

Lu Cifer, please cue up "WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT" by Twisted Sister someone please?!

[SouthernDem2004]

172. Sue for what?

He stated he tampered with the video. His job was to present a certain video and he failed to do so by altering it. This is not about politics really, its about failing to do ones job.

[barb162]

168. Tbey couldn't be honest with you and fire you openly because you

are against their cherished values (Bush is a saint, etc) so they had to make up something, so you then became an instant security risk. Plus they didn't like the idea of the flyers because it is subversive to their cause and a lot of these people there would be upset by seeing your flyers.

What gets me is you did this on your own pc at home. But as others have noted, there was enough info to identify you before you could edit. It is obvious some of these fundy morons will stop at nothing.

[bliss_eternal]

174. I am so sorry that this happened.

:(

I do appreciate your honesty--if nothing else it will serve as a reminder to others to be wary of posting a great deal of personal details.

I'm just SO sorry this happened. I didn't realize people were watching these boards that closely.

[Eloriel]

175. Terribly sorry.

Look. I don't want to sound unsympathetic, but you were VERY foolish to put as much identifying info about yourself in that other thread as you did. Very. People who wish you harm -- and there are thousands of them, probably (called "freepers" or "fascists," whichever you prefer) now know exactly who you are, or can find out.

Were you not aware of what happened to Andy Stephenson (now DEAD)? Some of these pigs are DANGEROUS and most of them are fucking CRAZY.

If I were you I'd think through this whole thing very, very carefully -- get a whole new name on DU, and do whatever else you think you need to do in your real world life.

[TVTech]

176. Walldude - I have work for you!

Tried sending you a PM but I don't have enough posts to be able to do so per board rules.

What was done to you is pitiful, but I may be able to help.

I work for a company just outside of Denver that designs and builds broadcast facilities and systems and I'm looking for another wireman/tech. (Freeps and wingnuts need not apply!)

PM me or post back if you're interested.

Good Luck!

[RedSox02]

178. You have grounds to fight this

I read your post in question. How anyone felt threatened is beyond me.

#1 You did the surfing and posting at home
#2 You made no bomb threats
#3 You threatened nothing illegal

#4 I'm scared to death.
I work as a civilian for our military. I love the job. Like what I work on. I decided early on not to surf DU at work. Especially with this adminsitation in power. Way too risky.

[JVS]

179. Where the fuck to they get a bomb threat out of this?

[lfairban]

183. See comment number 4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4087162#4087196

[JVS]

189. Whoa, that Sucks! I'd be pissed if someone else said something that...

gets me blamed for a bomb threat!

[lfairban]

182. I was reading your origional post.

Bible Action Figures?
Rapture Kits?

I try to look on these things as humorous, but as some point my head feels like it is about to burst. I would say explode, but that might get you into trouble again.

You were not posting the threatining information, that was someone's reply. YOU cannot control what they say.

When did this become the Airport "No Joking" section?

[leesa]

185. That's a risk. So what do you recommend? Silence? Obedience in

the face of criminal activity. Hang on man, if we can't get these criminals out, it's going to become a hell of a lot worse. Make your choice, you are either fighting against these aholes or you are playing.

[AuntPatsy]

186. A warning for bouncy ball, apparently some on this site don't like you..

Bouncy Ball (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-15-05 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. Find it quick before they scrub it.

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Adam Wood
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 5,141

Boucy Liar, we don't "scrub" anything around here. You know better than that. Yet another Boucy lie.

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ChuckJ
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 181

Bouncy's been in rare form on thread. Very entertaining.

You know one thing that really impresses me about DU? Anytime one of them starts to show the slightest glimmer of sanity, all of the rest seem to pounce on that individual in an attempt to pound him (or her) back into lunacy.

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crockspot
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Lake Champlain
Posts: 7,509

Heh. As soon as we figure out which school district BB works for, she's NEXT!

Mwahahahahahaha!

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Adam Wood
Senior Member

Quote:
Originally Posted by crockspotHeh. As soon as we figure out which school district BB works for, she's NEXT!Mwahahahahahaha!

Let's just say central Texas.

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Lauri
Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 3,279

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam WoodLet's just say central Texas.

isnt she somewhere around SMU? somebody who has oodles of time to waste could probably sift thru her posts and make a pretty educated guess. is she a high 10,000+ poster? i would bet she's given out a lot of info in those few months..

[Viva_La_Revolution]

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