Saddam moved the WMDs

[sabra]

Yep, there are still people who believe this...

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http://www.modbee.com/opinion/letters/story/10890450p-11663174c.html

Saddam moved the WMDs


I'm getting so tired of letters wondering where the "nukes" in Iraq are. Saddam clearly moved them each time weapons inspectors were expelled from the country. Besides, I thought we were inspecting because of suspicions by our government.

Saddam was given many chances. Whether he had nukes or not is irrelevant. He refused to let inspectors do their jobs, that is why we did what we did, now we can't leave. We are committed until a stable government is in place.

Let's think about what's really going on instead of making this about oil, of which we have taken none.

PHILLIP BALL

Modesto

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[ET Awful]

1. Damn, this dude must have been in a coma, he's still using January 2004

talking points.

[DemonFighterLives]

5. Coma- no lie

:rofl:
I don't see how Saddam could even think straight with our bombs falling all around.

[leveymg]

2. So, who do we bomb next? Syria or Iran. Flip a coin.

[jhawk_tim]

3. You know.......

Since we have not taken any oil, I don't see how we can continue to claim that this war is about oil without damaging our own credibility. We can claim that the war is about many other things, but I don't think we can any longer claim it is about oil. Agree/disagree?

[BeyondThePale]

6. Santorum sez: Massachusetts! eom.

[sabra]

7. then what was the war about?

yes, there were other factors.... Saddam going with Euro's and trading with China.... US didn't like that!

[Zenlitened]

8. Well, if Bush hadn't so completely BUNGLED everything...

... surrounding post-invasion security and stability, it's easy to believe the oil would be pumping for now.

Just because he's a complete idiot, a total failure as commander-in-chief, doesn't excuse his greedy motives.

[ThomWV]

10. Just Because We Didn't Get The Oil Doesn't Mean It Wasn't About The Oil

Just because these fuckwads didn't prevail and get the oil doesn't mean that it was not their intention to get the oil - and the much more important control of the regions oil supply and of course the control over the marginal cost of oil world wide.

Looks more to me like oil was their target but the Iraqi people have been successful in defending their national assett.

[ET Awful]

11. What do you mean "we"? n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

12. Welcome to DU!

I disagree. This guy saying that we haven't taken the oil does not make it so. The Pres. initially said that the oil money would be left for Iraq to rebuild. Shame, shame that we had to dip into the till already. Money was taken from oil revenue early on. Now Chalabi or his nephew are in charge of the oil ministry etc.

[acmavm]

15. OH PLEASE. They thought they were gonna be able to waltz in and

just take over the oil fields and everything else. Did you not notice that the Iraqi Oil Ministry was the only building they were worried about during the initial stages of the occupation? Did not not see the maps of the oil fields that Dick Cheney had?

No, it wasn't for the oil, it was to bring freedom to the Iraqi people. <sarcasm on and on and on..forever and ever amen.>

[The White Tree]

19. Are you sure?

Because if that was not one of the reasons for invading Iraq, it sure seems to be that US-UK control of Iraq's oil industry may be one of the consequences of it.

This is from the following Web-site. I won't vouch for the sites political leanings. I've never been there until now, but the statement seems accurate:

Global Policy Forum
<http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/irqindx.htm>

Iraq has the world’s second largest proven oil reserves. According to oil industry experts, new exploration will probably raise Iraq’s reserves to 2-300 billion barrels of high-grade crude, extraordinarily cheap to produce, leading to a gold-rush of profits for international oil firms in the post-Saddam era. The four giant firms located in the US and the UK have been keen to get back into Iraq, from which they were excluded with the nationalization of 1972. They face companies from France, Russia, China, Japan and elsewhere, who already have major concessions. But in the post-war setting, with Washington running the show, the US-UK companies expect eventually to overcome their rivals and gain the most lucrative oil deals that will be worth hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars in profits in the coming decades.

So can we agree on that one thing maybe? So could you possibly understand why that would color some people as cynical about the US motives for Iraq.

[rooboy]

25. Who is this "WE" that you say have not taken any oil??

The oilfields were seized on behalf of multinational companies, not the US government!! It's a cute notion, but a large chunk of the American military's real role is to protect/develop business interests, not national interests.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. Oh sorry, disagree completely....

"It’s mostly about controlling Iraq’s vast reserves of oil. By controlling those reserves, the US seeks to prolong its hyper-petrolized economy; it seeks to provide all those SUV owners with cheap fuel. But controlling Iraq’s oil isn’t just about devouring the world’s resources, Or pumping up oil company profits - it’s about the US controlling the many countries of the world dependent on oil imports."
http://vitw.org/archives/637


Aspirations of Empire, imho

They need Iraq as a base for operations in the Middle East just as much as they want access to the oil.

[ThomWV]

4. Short Memory

Does your gentel writer not know that inspectors were in Iraq doing their jobs right up until they had to leave to avoid American bombs landing on them. In fact in light of the heightened bombings we now know about - which were taking place while the weapons inspectors were trying to find the damned things (can something be damned if it does not exist?). It was us who forced the inspectors out of Iraq, not Sadam.

[CWebster]

9. Under nitwit's desk

Isn't that where he was looking for them?

[ClintonTyree]

13. But.......

hadn't the U.N. Inspectors been given unfettered access to all requested sights (and found absolutely nothing) before they were told to clear out because bush was going to bomb the country back to the stone age? It wasn't the U.N. or Saddam who made the inspectors leave Iraq, it was the bush administration.

And THIS... "Let's think about what's really going on instead of making this about oil, of which we have taken none." Excuse me, WE'VE TAKEN NONE? And you base this ridiculous assumption on ....what? The bush administration's WORD? Billions of dollars worth of oil have been pumped out of Iraqi wells since the invasion, and the money hasn't turned up in Iraqi Treasury coffers. I wonder where it might have gone? :shrug: One guess.

This guy is such a zombified bush lackey it's frightening.

Oh, Saddam MOVED the WMDs. To where? Remember, AFTER the war had already started Rummy said he KNEW WHERE THEY WERE!

This guy isn't worth the powder it would take to blow him to hell.

[Zenlitened]

14. Probably the most scrutinized and surveilled geography in the world...

... and he's just slippin' stuff away here, shufflin' stuff over there, with nobody noticing a thing.

Suuuure. :crazy:

[marmar]

16. Some people are just militantly ignorant...

and there's no hope for them.

:dunce:

[Solly Mack]

17. Did they look under the couch?

If nothing else, maybe they'll find that missing money.

[DaveJ]

18. Even if Saddam moved/hid WMDs (which he didn't)

It would still be atrociously incompetent to let him get away with it. They know it's a no win situation.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Duh!

So, how did all that billion dollar satellite surveillance miss the movements then? If we spent all that money to put those satellites up there, and then didn't use them, everyone in the military and in intel should be fired! Billions of dollars spent and we couldn't detect a convoy of trucks moving in the middle of a desert?
The Professor

[DaveJ]

24. Perhaps they fired/outed whoever was in charge of this surveillance n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

27. LOL!

Yeah, maybe. That'd be par for the course for these buffoons.
The Professor

[kikiek]

29. You're right from what I heard. That has been debunked as not possible

because of the surveillance. They said it would have been seen since they were watching them!

[NewJeffCT]

21. please respond with your own LTTE

The Bush Administration is the one that kicked the inspectors out of Iraq.

Both of the Bush Administration's hand picked WMD finders - David Kaye and Charles Duerfler (check spelling on both) - said there were no WMD, and Duerfler also concluded that there were none there before and that none were moved out of the country, either.

[kikiek]

22. We had to kick the inspectors out before we bombed them! How can

anyone say they weren't allowed in to do their job.

[DemonFighterLives]

23. About the Oil Thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4957988-103681,00.html

A Christian charity has accused the coalition authority in Iraq of failing to account for up to $20bn (nearly £11bn) of oil revenues which should have been spent on relief and reconstruction projects.

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And our great ally, Chalabi:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1589157,00.html

http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,195774,00.jpg

clip....
In a twist that is likely to raise a few eyebrows in Washington, Iraq's great political survivor Ahmad Chalabi - first the darling and then the scapegoat of the Bush Administration - will take the hotly-contested post of Oil Minister on an interim basis. Mr Chalabi, who is a Shia Muslim, is also one of the four deputy Prime Ministers.


:freak:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Do they have U-Haul in Baghdad?