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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:31 PM
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EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS. SCANDAL OVERLOAD
We've been in scandal over load for quite a while now. Republicans have made so many mistakes and scandals in the past few years its been hard to keep track of them all. So I thought "Why not make a list?" This list is NOT COMPLETE in any way. This is a BIG project. I'm asking for help on any thing I've missed. (please forgive any spelling errors)



-------------THE PARTY THAT LOST ITS SCRUPELS
A list of the Unethical, Hypocritical, Immoral, and the down right Illegal actions of the Republican Party since 2001


I. Pre-2001 Context (Go rent “Wag the Dog” take notes, you’ll be glad you did)
--A. Project for the New American Century, 1997
-----1. “New Pearl Harbor”
--B. The 2000 campaign
-----1. Smears on John McCain
--------a. Attacking a war hero’s record (common BushROVE tactic)
-----2. Florida
--------a. The disenfranchisement of African Americans
--------b. Non-Florida Republican jackasses storming the vote counters in Dade county
--C. Lost popular vote
--D. Supreme Court
-----1. 5/4 decision to GIVE presidency to Bush
-----2. O’connor wanted to retire under a Republican
--------a. Continuing to count votes would “hurt” the bush campaign was their argument

II. January to September (the early months of Bush Administration)
--A. Anti-Clinton stuff
-----1. “Were bribes involved in Clinton’s pardons?” (come on, seriously)
-----2. Stolen furniture
-----3. The ‘W’s missing from key boards (That’s childish…but funny)
--B. Lack of interest in terrorism
-----1. Richard Clark brushed aside
-----2. No interest in creating the Clinton recommended Department of Homeland Security
-----3. PDB “Bin Laden determined to attack inside United States” 8/6/01
--C. China Spy Plane Incident
--D. Needed Colin Powel to give credibility to his Administration
--E. Lame duck label
--F. Bush Month long vacation to Crawford Ranch
-----1. PDB “Bin Laden determined to attack inside United States” 8/6/01
--G. 43 million to Taliban in aide

III. September 11, 2001
--A. Bush on 9/11
-----1. It happened on Bush’s watch (not necessarily his fault but…)
-----2. Bush continued photo op after first plane hit tower
-----3. Spent 7 minutes in classroom after second plane hit
--------a. (His face just screamed “I don’t know what to do!”)
--B. The aftermath
-----1. Lies from the EPA on health standards
-----2. Vow to find Osama (Remember him) “Dead or Alive”
-----3. Declares Iraq, Iran, North Korea an “Axis of Evil” (WWII “Axis Powers”)
--C. The 9/11 commission
-----1. Opposed its creation
-----2. Uncooperative with the commission
-----3. Spent 15 million, perspective; 40 million on Clinton Impeachment
-----4. Bush would only talk with them off the record
-----5. Bush would only appear with Cheney at his side
-----6. The commission had to coax Bush for every minute they were allowed the privilege of his presence

IV. The Wars of Bush
--A. IRAQ the lead up to War
-----1. Lies about WMD
--------a. To the press and public
--------b. To our Senators and Congressman
--------c. To the UN and the International Community
-----2. Lies about Al Qaeda link
-----3. Lied about cost of war
--------a. Iraqi oil will pay for reconstruction
-----4. “…I doubt six months.” - Rumsfeld
--------a. Now its 12 years
-----5. Dissent is unpatriotic
-----6. No UN or International Support
-----7. No post war planning
--B. DOWNING STREET MINUTES
-----1. “Spikes of Activity”
-----2. “…intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy…”
-----3. Little thought given to post War Iraq
-----4. UN as justification for War
--------a. as opposed to the route for peaceful resolution
--C. IRAQ the War and reconstruction
-----1. Nearly 1,800 American soldiers dead
-----2. Over 13,000 wounded
-----3. Over 100,000 civilian dead
-----4. Absolutely NO WMD found
-----5. 9 BILLION dollars just missing
-----6. No exit plan
-----7. Inadequate forces
--------a. to stop looting
--------b. to protect ammunition depots
--------c. enough troops to protect Oil though
-----8. Halliburton
--------a. Over a BILLION in over charges (they still get contracts?)
--------b. Dirty food served to our service men and woman
-----9. Abu Ghraib (TORTURE)
-----10. Iraq citizens are left without clean water
-----11. Iraq citizens are left without electricity
--D. Afghanistan
-----1. Lack of Focus
-----2. Too few troops
-----3. Paying war lords millions to find Bin Laden
-----4. Lack of reconstruction (though the gas pipe line got approval right quick)
-----5. Opium production is staggering
--E. The War on Terror (or better know as “The politics on Terror”
-----1. Osama Bin Laden
--------a. Sep 2001 to July 2005 and he’s still at large
-----2. The terror threats
--------a. Raised levels for political purposes
--------b. Homeland Security chief said the intelligence didn’t warrant raised levels

V. Other Foreign Policy
--A. North Korea
--B. Iran
--C. Syria
--D. Our “Old” Allies (France and Germany)
--E. Liberia (remember when we sent troops in there)

VI. What else is going on in this crazy world we live on?
--A. Darfur (Don’t worry folks we’ll never let another Genocide like Rwanda happen… again)
--B. Milosevic put on trial for war crimes (Remember he’s the guy that Clinton got, well NATO)
--C. Russia sliding away from democracy (US too)

VII. Domestic Policy Foibles
--A. PATRIOT ACT
-----1. PATRIOT ACT II
--------a. Signed into law on the Saturday they caught Sadam, in case you didn’t see it in the news that day. (What’s really fun is finding out how many times Bush has signed something into law on a Saturday)
--B. Tax Cuts
-----1. UNPRECEDENTED TAX CUTS DURING TIME OF WAR
-----2. UNPRECEDENTED TAX CUTS DURING TIME OF WAR
-----3. (It can’t be said enough)
-----4. UNPRECEDENTED TAX CUTS DURING TIME OF WAR
-----5. (Can anyone find any time in the course of all human history when a government cut taxes during War time?)
-----6. Balk received by the wealthiest 1 %
--C. Assault Weapons Ban lapse (inaction counts)
--D. No child left behind
-----1. Under funded
-----2. Teacher don’t seem to like it

VIII. The Media (“Failures of the Fourth Estate” or “the not liberal media”)
--A. FOX news (not fair or balanced)
--B. The media’s double standard (you know what I mean)
--C. Media on government pay
-----1. Columnists paid to support policy
--------a. Maggie Gallagher
-----------i. for gay marriage
--------b. Armstrong Williams
-----------i. No child left behind
-----------ii. $241,000 (could a bought a lot of text books)
-----2. Government produced news reports

IX. Weapons of Mass Destruction
--A. Nuclear Proliferation (Countries that got the bomb on Bush’s watch)
-----1. United States
--------a. broke NP treaty for “Bunker Busting Nuclear Weapons”
--------b. Broke Ballistic missile treaty in pursuit of Star Wars
-----2. North Korea
--------a. has at least 6 of them
-----3. Iran (I don’t know if they have it, but they want it, and their working hard to get it)
-----4. Russia’s old nuclear weapons
--B. Biological Weapons
-----1. Anthrax attacks on America still not answered for
--------a. Military grade anthrax
--------b. American made anthrax
-----2. Small Pox
--C. Chemical Weapons
-----1. Tapes of Al Qaeda killing a dog with Chemical weapons (2002)
-----2. If they had it then do they have Chemical Weapons now? (we don’t know since we stopped focusing on Al Qaeda for Iraq)

X. Environmental Issues
--A. Global Warming
-----1. Editing of government reports by corporate stoolie
--B. Kyoto
--C. ANWAR
--D. Clean Skies Act
-----1. allows 17,700 older coal-burning plants to continue polluting
--E. Healthy Forests Initiative
--F. EPA post 9/11 air quality

XI. Economy (remember how well the economy was doing under Clinton)
--A. Record Deficits
-----1. Are national debt is <http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/>
--B. Bush has never vetoed a spending bill
--C. Corporate Power and Corruption
-----1. HALLIBURTON
--------a. over a BILLION in over charges
--------b. Cheney still receives 150,000 a year
--------c. Cheney has 433,000 in stock options
--------d. dirty food served to our service men and woman
--D. Enron
--E. MCM

XII. Religion in politics (Immoral, Hypocritical, Unethical, and Illegal! YEAH!!!)
------(Personal note; I don’t want politicians to ever speak of “god” god has no place in our democracy, no god bless Americas, no in god we trusts, and no under gods. If god did have a place then our founding fathers would have written it into our constitution instead of specifically writing in the separation of church and state. That being said…)
--A. Unanimous vote by the senate stating we are not a christian nation
-----1. The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli (a muslim state) says that "The Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the christian religion?" (Pre-Bush but important to remember)
--B. Faith Based Initiatives
-----1. $20,000 for a program that only prays for people
--C. Abstinence only sex ed (and the lies they tell)
-----1. HIV transmitted through tears
--D. Anti-Gay Hysteria
--E. Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendment
--F. Terry Schivo
-----1. MAJOR abuse of power
-----2. Unconstitutional
-----3. “…difficult issue for Democrats” (they knew it they were playing politics)
--G. Stem cell research ban
-----1. current plan allows destruction of some embryos (Hypocrite) (its either life or its not, and therefore wrong to use or its not)
-----2. over 400,000 left in storage that will never be used (What are we supposed to do with them?)
--H. The corruption of religion
-----1. Where in the bible does it say kill, bomb, and TORTURE thy enemies?

XIII. The Hypocritical Party (the actions and words of the Republican Party)
--A. Moral Relativism (Things that are only okay if you voted for Bush)
-----1. Leaking an undercover CIA operative - ROVE
-----2. Leaking an undercover source - the Al Qaeda mole
--B. LIEING - Bush, Cheney, Powel, Rice, Rumsfeld, FOX news, etc.
--C. Comparing opposition to Nazi’s - Frist (this goes for Democrats too, ‘Fascist’ has all the meaning without the Holocaust)
--D. Drug use
-----1. Limbaugh - OxyContin
-----2. Bush - Cocaine (Bill Clinton “didn’t inhale” yeah right)
--E. Running for senator of a state you never lived in
-----1. Keyes criticized Hillary for running in New York
-----2. Keyes ran in Illinois

XIV. The Unethical Party (You might not go to jail, but its still wrong)
--A. Filibuster (take away the one bit of political power the Democrats have left)
--B. Terry Schivo – see XII. f.
--C. Swift Boat Liars
--D. “Free Speech Zones”
-----1. placing protestors (forcibly in some cases) in “FSZ”
-----2. “FSZ” could be miles away from president’s route.
-----3. (See no rights, hear no rights, speak no rights, BE NOT RIGHT)
--E. Making GWB seem like he knows what he’s doing
-----1. (It’s a complex world and he is simply not intelligent enough to be the man with his finger on the button)

XV. The Immoral (TORTURE, abuse, and other things to do on a Saturday night)
--A. Abu Ghraib (TORTURE)
-----1.Dogs set on prisoners
-----2. Sexual degradation - highly offensive to islamic culture
-----3. Blame the soldiers, the “few bad apples”
-----4. Soldiers sodomizing young boys
--B. Guantonamo Bay
-----1. Stress positions
-----2. Koran Desecration (the pissing on it was an accident, sure)
-----3. Sleep depravation
--C. Out Sourcing Torture
-----1. Uzbekistan (Boils Their Victims Alive!!!)

XVI. The “GATES” and other Illegal goings on
--A. Rove-gate (should this include everything the man has ever done?)
-----1. Leaked a CIA operative’s ‘identity’
-----2. Political pay back for telling the truth
-----3. WH lies “Rove not the leak”
--B. Coin-gate
--C. Downing Street Minutes (see IV b.)
--D. Election Fraud – (see XVII b.)

XVII. 2004 election
--A. Republican National Convention
-----1. It was in New York City (The most conservative city in the world)
-----2. Protesters rounded up illegally
--B. Election Fraud (More details next update)
-----1. Statistically impossible exit polls
-----2. Ohio
-----3. Other states

XVIII. All that is just idiotic, and or childish
--A. Any ‘WORTHLESS FUCK’ who wore a band aid with a purple heart on it
-----1. (those people made me want to vomit)
-----2. (lets support the troops by insulting one of their highest honors)
-----3. (its okay to insult the purple heart because my guy never got one because he was to busy snorting coke and drinking booze)
--B. “Freedom Fries” (congress voted for it)
--C. “Freedom Toast” (That too)
--D. “Old Europe” (age before wisdom)
--E. “They hate us for our freedom”
-----1. (So, 19 hijackers moved to the US, lived in our freedom, and hated it so much that they committed suicide by flying planes into buildings. That makes perfect sense to me.)
--F. Buying French wine to dump out in boycott protest (that’s just dumb)
--G. Blue curtain to cover the naked breast of Lady Justice
-----1. Cost $8000 in tax payer money
--H. Flag Burning Amendment (that old horse)
--I. Generation ChickenHawk

XIX. What did I Forget?
--A. The War on drugs
-----1. Medical Marijuana
--------a. (What ever happened to states rights? Wasn’t that what the republicans were all about before?)
--------b. It’s called “Medical” marijuana (Why is it still a schedule one drug, i.e. of no medical use?)
-----2. Tommy Chong
--------a. sent to prison for 9 months
--------b. He endorsed water pipes called “Chong’s Bongs”
--B. Dictators we like, and the countries they oppress
-----1. Islam Karimov, of Uzbekistan
--------a. Gunned down at least 100 protesters
-----2. The Saudi family, of Saudi Arabia
--------a. self destruct mechanism on oil wells
--C. Bolton’s Nomination to the UN
-----1. (You want WHO to be the most important diplomat we have?)

XX. Interesting questions that need answers (conspiracy type stuff and other ‘?’s)
--A. ROVE; how many “pies” (aka scandals) does he have his fingers in?
--B. Government’s explanation of 9/11
-----1. Is the government’s explanation for the fall of the WTC Towers scientifically sound? (science is meant to be checked and questioned to see if it holds up and considering the state of our government and news media I think a little double checking is in order)
--C. WTC building 7
-----1. What is the scientific explanation for WTC 7’s collapse?
-----2. Why did the building implode?
-----3. Was it a Controlled Demolition?
-----4. If it was CD, when were the explosives placed inside the building?
-----5. (I’ve yet to see any reasonable explanation for WTC 7 collapse)
--D. Rather-gate
-----1. Who benefited from Rather-gate? (rhetorical, Bush)
-----2. Was it forged to end speculation on Bush’s AWOL days? (yes)
-----3. So, who forged the documents about Bush’s record? (?)
--E. Homeland Security
-----1. Is there any way to have HS without the loss of civil liberties?
-----2. Are we ready for an attack using WMDs?
-----3. How secure are our Borders?
-----4. Has the Republican controlled government done everything it can to ensure the protection of the American people? (rhetorical, no)

XXI. “The People who lost their scruples” or “Politics is people, and these people suck” or “The ABC of assholes” (I’ll be totally revamping this section next update)
--A. President Bush
-----1. (I dare you to find one thing he’s done right)
-----2. (I double dog dare you)


There's the list now what did I miss. I'll be adding my links to sources in the next update
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brystheguy Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:35 PM
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1. An impressive list. Thanks for all the work.
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:35 PM by brystheguy
Looks like a good thing to leave on the windshields of cars with W stickers.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:26 AM
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104. Here are other scandal list sources I collected you can cross-reference:
First, a Salon.com article:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011905D.shtml

The Scandal Sheet
By Peter Dizikes
Salon.com Tuesday 18 January 2005

"Print it out, send it to Harry Reid, or just read it and weep. Here are 34 scandals from the first four years of George W. Bush's presidency - every one of them worse than Whitewater.

Once upon a time - about five years ago - conservative pundits often talked about 'scandal fatigue.' Remember scandal fatigue? It was an affliction supposedly either turning voters against Democrats or, alternatively, a weariness in the body politic preventing Republicans from pursuing even more grievances against Bill Clinton. By any objective measure, however, after four years of George W. Bush's presidency, the entire nation should be suffering from utter scandal exhaustion.

- snip -

Indeed, here are 34 Republican scandals worthy of further attention, gathered into one place. The list focuses on scandals involving apparently illegal activity or violations of ethics codes. Not everything that is politically, legally or ethically scandalous constitutes a scandal. It is scandalous, for instance, that House Republicans have further weakened their own ethics committee. But that is not, properly speaking, a political scandal. It is just contemptible governance.

This list is also limited to events of the past four years, or those coming to light in that time. It covers both the executive branch and the Congress, since the latter, especially the Senate, is increasingly a mere adjunct to the White House. However, the items are not arranged in terms of moral or historical gravity. Abu Ghraib might create years of anti-American hatred abroad, but it and some other headline-generating events appear near the end of the list, to help familiarize readers first with lesser-known or now-overlooked scandals. Recall how John Ashcroft broke the law? Know why Dick Cheney wants to keep those energy task force documents secret? Read on. You too, Harry Reid.

1) Memogate: The Senate Computer Theft"

MORE AT LINK


Then, the original scandal list? Probably not, but here is an 2004 'Crisis Papers' article: "Scandals for Dummies"

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays/dummies-scandals.htm

Bush's 2004 Scandals for Dummies
By Bernard Weiner
The Crisis Papers
Tuesday 08 June 2004

"There are so many Bush Administration scandals and so little time to figure them all out. So I checked in with the franchised book series that succinctly provides clear answers for confused dummies like me.

Q. Why are all these scandals seeming to come at the same time? Am I imagining this? Is it a liberal media conspiracy?

A. No, you're not imagining it. And there's no conspiracy involved. It's a phenomenon not at all surprising. Here's how it works:

Many of the Bush scandals aren't new at all; they've been brewing for a long time, with the White House trying to push them off until after Election Day. But scandals, like viruses, erupt on their own schedules."

MORE AT LINK


More recently, various scandals from someone else's DU post a few days ago. I will do a search for who it was, but I forget for the moment:

"Plame outing
gannon
Downing street minutes
niger/yellowcake speech
Haliburton no bid contracts
WMD lies
ignoring 9-11 warnings
abu ghraib/prison abuse
enron ties
flying bin laden's out of country
California energy crisis/cheney task force
2000 election theft
and more and more and more

at this point, how can anyone, even the biggest freeper, honestly believe that these guys have 'restored honor and integrity to the white house' and that every one of these is either 1. a liberal media conspiracy to git the pres'dent! or 2. the work of a lone lowly white house staffer and no one else and not the result of any higher ups?

how much effort does it take to maintain this fantasy world? i know guys like rush and hannity know it's a sham and don't believe it, but are simply lying-but what about your average republican voter---

what the hell is wrong with them at this point?!?!?!"


Finally, a good response to that original DU thread:

"A few you missed.

- The utter disregard of the balance of the scientific community on:
(1) Global warming. ( and the related rejection of the Kyoto Treaty without even offering an alternative)
(2) The environmental and health effects of mercury pollution from coal and the inadequacies of the policies of his administration to address it.
(3) The environmental effects of his forestry programs.
(4) The effect of repetitive motions in causing certain work related disabilities.

- The utter disregard of the opinions of the bulk of the diplomatic corps and the state department on matters of international policy.

- The utter disregard of the opinions of most of the world with regard to matters of international policy.

- The utter disregard of the bulk of the economic community with regard to the long term effects of his tax cuts.

- The utter disregard of the American Bar Association opinions as tot he qualifications of candidates for judicial office (unless, of course they recommended that the particular candidate under discussion was qualified.

- Lying with regard to the justifications of "No child left behind" and then his failure to support funding for it.

- Innumerable campaign lies, and the failure to acknowledge when his supporters were caught in lies.

- How can we forget "Mission Accomplished" and the lies as to how that banner came to be displayed and the supposed necessity to fly to the Carrier on an airplane?"


Sorry for the length of this post and any redundancy, but I think we want to make sure our lists are as COMPREHENSIVE and complete as possible.
:7
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:38 PM
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2. Nominated.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:48 PM
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3. Also if you disagree with any thing on there let me know
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:50 PM
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4. Also swept under the rug by the SEC
Put options on stocks prior to 9-11-01 suggest some investors knew about the attacks prior to their occurrence.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:30 PM
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59. Speaking of SEC, what about Poppy letting GW off the hook in the SEC
investigation of the stocks he sold to buy the Rangers. Or did you just want to keep this to the current "administration"?
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:18 PM
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69. If AWOL and Cocaine are worth mentioning
I'd say that one is definitely worth bringing up too.
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bonofor prez Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:51 PM
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5. Great Work
...but couldn't you find anything positive they have done in four and a half years? This will help me keep my time lines and arguments straight when I am giving my daily sacrifice to the gods of futility when I discuss this with the ditto heads around here.

:rofl:
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:54 PM
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7. Actually I can't
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 12:55 PM by proiowadem
there is the dare at the bottom for any one to find some good things
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bonofor prez Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:18 PM
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27. I know you can't
My attepmt at humor just went amiss. I double dog dare everyone too.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:17 PM
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57. Do Jenna & Barbara count?
They have provided lots of much-needed entertainment.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:54 PM
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6. Terrific, detailed outline proio.
No doubt, that took much time and effort.

Thank you for posting. It's helpful (and sobering) to see how much we have been hit with the past five plus years.


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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:56 PM
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8. Its not even close to being complete
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:56 PM
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9. Under Anthrax, I would add
Attacks were attempted assasination of Democratic Senators and preceived "Enemies" of the neo-con right.

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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:05 PM
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12. I will
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 12:57 PM
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10. wow great list!
excellent work.

:kick:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:05 PM
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13. Good show - I'm bookmarking and printing to study. There has been
so much they've dumped on us that even DUers need a list.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:05 PM
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11. Thanks for your efforts
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 01:06 PM by senseandsensibility
This had to have been an emotionally exhausting and infuriating task. I nominated your post and think it's great, but would you mind if I made one little suggestion? Your title does not really express the content of your post. In fact, I almost didn't click on it because I thought it was saying that we were hitting the scandals too hard, or making too big a deal out of them. Your thread is actually a compilation of all the scandals, but the word "overload" seems to imply that they shouldn't be talked about. But your post is wonderful, and again, I thank you for the time and effort involved.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:06 PM
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14. sorry I just wanted as many people to see it as possible
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 01:07 PM by proiowadem
and it aint over yet
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:09 PM
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16. God, don't apologize!
I want more people to see it too! :-) Maybe it's just me that sees something negative in the word overload. I can just see the corporate news media proclaiming that the public is on "scandal overload" and using that as an excuse for not covering the rove story. Congrats on a wonderful post!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:08 PM
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3 top Republicans in Kentucky were in a scandal
i think they were just kicked out/ convicted too
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:08 PM
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15. Absolutely Wonderful
a lot of hard work went into this. Thanks so much


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:10 PM
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17. education is missing
ie "No Child Left Behind" underfunded.

impressive list.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:28 PM
Original message
its not labeled education but its there
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:11 PM
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18. Wow
That's so much! Good list to have though. Very good idea.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:12 PM
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19. Wow. Thanks. And recommended. How about these?
I only quickly read your list but am printing it out now so I may have missed these but


Weapons of Mass Destruction
- US using depleted uranium and napalm in Iraq

Conspiracy theories
- Arafat and others who "died" on Bush's watch that helped Bush
- Journalists covering Iraq who were "killed in action"
- Others who were "suicided" - investigating election fraud or other Bush family empire activities


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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:14 PM
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22. NOTE: This list deserves it's own webpage where it could be
seen by many, updated constantly and linked to!

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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:16 PM
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25. IF you know how to do such a thing go ahead
I give you my permission
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:28 PM
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36. I'm useless at web sites - ANYONE HERE AT DU DO WEBPAGES?
Who would want to take this on and keep it front and center to the net?

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:30 PM
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60. Here ya go.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:08 PM
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94. Thank you for posting that. If it's revised & updated may we send to you?
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:13 PM
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140. Sure n/t
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:10 PM
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95. proiowadem - check this out:
http://joeorgren.com/election_fraud.htm

I asked about updates and revisions and if we send them to you and you keep working on this if you could send the changes to this person to have the revised version posted.

Did you say you would still work on the list and make changes - you mentioned adding links...

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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:12 PM
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99. Yes the list goes on.
I'm back checking right now for the things to add.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:25 AM
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128. Yes, good idea
to get this list of crimes and grievances on a webpage that can be linked to progressive sites. Reading this incredible list of charges against the current government, I think of J'Accuse, one hell of a LTTE, written at the beginning of the 20th century:
-------------

:mad: :mad: :mad: Excerpts (fiery bits) from Emile Zola's "J'Accuse" (directed toward the govt, the military, and the press in France 1898 re. Dreyfus Affair):

"WHERE IS that truly strong, judiciously patriotic administration that will dare to clean house and start afresh? How many people I know who, faced with the possibility of war, tremble in anguish knowing to what hands we are entrusting our nation's defense! And what a nest of vile intrigues, gossip, and destruction that sacred sanctuary that decides the nation's fate has become! ...Ah, what a cesspool of folly and foolishness, what preposterous fantasies, what corrupt police tactics, what inquisitorial, tyrannical practices! What petty whims of a few higher-ups trampling the nation under their boots, ramming back down their throats the people's cries for truth and justice, with the travesty of state security as a pretext."

"IT IS A CRIME to lie to the public, to twist public opinion to insane lengths in the service of the vilest death-dealing machinations. It is a crime to poison the minds of the meek and the humble, to stoke the passions of reactionism and intolerance, by appealing to that odious anti-Semitism that, unchecked, will destroy the freedom-loving France of the Rights of Man. It is a crime to exploit patriotism in the service of hatred, and it is, finally, a crime to ensconce the sword as the modern god, whereas all science is toiling to achieve the coming era of truth and justice...Truth and Justice, so ardently longed for! How terrible it is to see them trampled, unrecognized and ignored!"

"This is the plain truth, Mr. President, and it is terrifying. It will leave an indelible stain on your presidency . I realise that you have no power over this case, that you are limited by the Constitution and your entourage. You have, nonetheless, your duty as a man, which you will recognise and fulfill. As for myself, I have not despaired in the least, of the triumph of right. I repeat with the most vehement conviction: truth is on the march, and nothing will stop it. Today is only the beginning, for it is only today that the positions have become clear: on one side, those who are guilty, who do not want the light to shine forth, on the other, those who seek justice and who will give their lives to attain it. I said it before and I repeat it now: when truth is buried underground, it grows and it builds up so much force that the day it explodes it blasts everything with it. We shall see whether we have been setting ourselves up for the most resounding of disasters, yet to come."

..."I have but one passion: to enlighten those who have been kept in the dark, in the name of humanity which has suffered so much and is entitled to happiness. My fiery protest is simply the cry of my very soul. Let them dare, then, to bring me before a court of law and let the enquiry take place in broad daylight! I am waiting."

Émile Zola, 13th January 1898
Full Text: http://www.chameleon-translations.com/sample-Zola.shtml
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:12 PM
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20. Excellent!!! I'm bookmarking!!!
:hi: Your work is greatly appreciated!!!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:14 PM
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21. WOW! Thank You!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:14 PM
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23. Whoa, This Is Great Grist For LTTE Mill, Thanks!
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:15 PM
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24. I've been thinking maybe a book
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:18 PM
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26. A few things to add...

- Medicare Bill
- having lies be presented to the congress on the cost of it.
- the clauses in it not allowing the government to negotiate bulk discounts with pharmaceutical companies.
- the subsidies it also created towards private firms int his bill.

- (under Environmental Issues)
- upon being elected in 2000, chopping by over half, the budget for alternative energy research.
- later after 9/11 and pressure was on him to reduce middle east oil dependence, made a big deal about a program for alternative energy research, but made its funding contingent on approval of ANWR oil drilling and the profits derived from that.
- Buying up off-shore oil drilling leases with federal taxpayer's money to "protect the environment" of Florida right before brother Jeb's election, while at the same time saying more oil drilling was needed off the shores of California and up in Alaska.

- Sibel Edmonds coverup needs mentioning here. This is a big scandal in the waiting.

- Security abuses at Bush's campaign rallies with campaign workers posing as secret service and using "Nazi" tactics to remove "unsympathetic" participants.

- Communications Industry:
- Putting in place an FCC that is more interested in censorship than it is in preventing corporate consolidation.
- CPB wants to tear down public broadcasting funding under Tomlinson and take off "liberal" content such as Bill Moyers to be replaced with "neutral" content like Tucker Carlson.

- The various distortions of Social Security Privati-('er Personalization)

- *Continued* congressional funding of "investigations" of long finished cases from the Clinton era that either have been settled out of court or have no merit to them (looks like funding their political "feudal empires").

- Lack of any investigative effort of the wrongdoings of Enron and others at the time they were engaged in it by the FERC during the California energy crisis.

- the suspicious goings-on that Brad Friedman's been investigating of the elections in both 2000 and 2004 with rep Feeney, etc.

- the "trial balloon" smear ad campaigns against the AARP making them appear to want to promote gay marriage, etc.

I'm sure I'll think of more, but I gotta get to work!
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:19 PM
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28. Thanks
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:14 PM
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56. can't wait for the next update!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:21 PM
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29. He's making a list and checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty and
nice....

Definitely naughty! Very naughty!!!!
:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:22 PM
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30. nominated, and great work!
I surely don't have the attention span needed to compile a long list like this!

:D
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:35 PM
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45. I've been at it day and night
with occasional naps in between
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:22 PM
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31. Terri Schiavo?
I think I heard on the radio 200 people died due to lack of universal health care, while cons were debating the rights of someone who was finally determined to be deceased all along.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:24 PM
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32. Here is one piece of legislation that passed under Bush that I like:
The Do Not Call list.

Do I get a prize? :evilgrin:
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:29 PM
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38. Yes you do
You get the warm fuzzy feeling of giving aide and comfort to our enemies
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:31 PM
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40. Whatever.
:eyes:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:24 PM
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33. Great work. Thanks!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:58 AM
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132. Love the enron logo!
I know it's not really, but you get my drift.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:25 PM
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34. More
Cheney's secret Energy Commision
- Scalia duck hunting with Cheney while case was pending

Tom Delay
- using Homeland Security to hunt down Texas Legislators
- Illegal fund raising in Texas

Neil Bush
- Almost too much to list
Jeb Bush
- Definitley too much to list

FBI Whistle Blowers
- Was there pressure from "Above" to avoid investigating Saudis with links to terrorists?
- Failure to follow up on suspected terrorists in flight schools


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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:27 PM
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35. Under 'The Media'
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 01:29 PM by djohnson
You might want to add information on how the White House media (Edit:'White House Press Corps') has been bullied under *.
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Innoma Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:29 PM
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37. This could turn into something really useful...
I say we turn this list into something we can use - sort of like a Scandal Talking Points list. I help put out a local community newspaper and am always looking for materials to help bring awareness to all the scandals of the administration. The news service we use (MSM) has articles and photos, of course, but their graphic elements are always absolutely toothless (as far as that goes, the rest of their service is highly slanted too).

This Scandal List would make for great flyers, newspaper charts and graphic elements, and just grist in general that helps brings all this to light.

So I say ... keep working on it, hammering it out, and make this a first stop for a grand overview of scandals this administration has been involved in!
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:32 PM
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41. I'd like to finish it before we do any public letters or talking points
This is a big list and needs lots of work
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:30 PM
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39. The list might be shorter if it contained what isn't scandalous under *.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:33 PM
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43. Okay here it is.....
....? Um i can't think of any thing.
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:33 PM
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42. Attempted coup of Chavez,and more ...

Maybe I missed it, but didnt see that one listed.

Bush Admin came out in support of it before the deal was done.

Also, kidnapped elected prez of Haiti.

A few more ...

paying reporters to support their programs (illegal)

producing 'fake' news reports for local news channels

Jeff Gannon

Let 750,000 pounds of hi tech explosives go to the insurgents (ONE pound of the same stuff blew up the Pan Am plane)

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:07 PM
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90. isn't/wasn't there a suspicion -- some of these explosives used in London?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:35 PM
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44. add the social security "crisis" n/t
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:36 PM
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46. I FORGOT JEFF GANNON
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Logan_430 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:43 PM
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48. A couple more
You forgot that they don't recycle and sometimes wear white after Labor Day.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:14 PM
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68. You also forgot POLAND!
;) :rofl:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:01 PM
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133. Actually, the "coilition" for bunkerboy's illegal war should be added
5 cents from Niger or Chad or someplace,
3 grocery workers from Belgium, etc.

You get the idea.

The number of countries CLAIMED and their actual numbers of soldiers FIGHTING as opposed to their sending condolence cards to bunkerboy.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:38 PM
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47. HOLY MOLEY!
Thank you for all your "hard Werk."

I'm bookmarking this so when I go on the "internets" I can get right to it.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:51 PM
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49. Large Documement... Hmm...
It could benefit from being put into XML format so that it can be used by other programs for easier analysis and viewing.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:51 PM
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50. If I knew how to do that I probably would have
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:55 PM
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52. Mind if I help?
I'll PM you about it.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:58 PM
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54. Huh? Whats PM
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:00 PM by proiowadem
I'm an antique dealer, I know how to play games and use word documents thats about it. But any help would be appreciated
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:01 PM
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55. Private Message
You have private mail that you can access by clicking the Inbox icon at the top of the Discussion Forums page.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:52 PM
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51. This list is mind-boggling, and, in some dark way, hilarious. (They did
all this and they DIDN'T steal the '04 election--as some people continue to believe--even after they SET UP an election system in which Bushite companies controlled the vote tabulation with SECRET, PROPRIETARY software? They did all this, and DIDN'T use that pre-arranged, easy, speed of light, virtually undetectable vote stealing capability?).

MANY people lament, and are mind-boggled by, the incredible crimes that the Bush Cartel has gotten away with--yet continue to believe (against all reason!) that they ran an honest election!

Enough of that.

Here's an addition:

XX.B.2.

Why was there no air cover over our nation's capitol on 9/11, and no defense of any kind, not even of the Pentagon, though they had nearly an hour's notice to DO SOMETHING?

(I have always thought that this is the snag in the tapestry that would unravel 9/11. The lack of defense of our capitol is beyond understanding. Not even an ack-ack gun on top of the Pentagon? And beyond that beyond understanding, is the beyond understanding of NO EXPLANATION and NO HEADS ROLLING for NOT DEFENDING OUR CAPITOL! I hope THAT whistleblower is lurking somewhere in the military, peeling potatoes, and binding his/her time. Because I would really like to know WHY THE CAPITOL OF MY COUNTRY WAS LEFT DEFENSELESS ON 9/11!)
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 01:55 PM
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53. There was a lot I forgot about until I started the list
Liberia, The al Qaeda chemical weapons tapes, just to name a few. and this basicly just what I remember with a few searches
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:26 PM
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58. Thank you for pulling this all together...
It's been uppermost in my mind, too, that ALL of these things are tied together in one super-scandal of monumental proportions. Personally, I think the whole thing is going to blow up very soon. (Fingers crossed)
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:35 PM
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61. Is there any room for a Gay Male Prostitute and his connection to Plame?
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 02:36 PM by mikelewis
Remember Jeff Gannon, a.k.a James Guckert, a.k. "Bulldog"? This deserves at least an honorable mention.
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:39 PM
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66. oh he will be in the next update
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Rebecca_Remarks Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:37 PM
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62. I know I'll get flamed for this, but in the interest of accuracy...
1C - Losing the popular vote is certainly not a criminal act. If it was, we'd be hauling the loser of every presidential election off to jail. :)

Even becoming the president while losing the popular vote is not a criminal act or even immoral. After all, there have been other presidents in the past who have done so.

Now, if you want to say that he cheated on the electoral college -- well, that's open season.

Rebecca
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:39 PM
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64. your right, but when you put it into context with everything eles,,,
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:39 PM
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63. Wow...thanks for the time and effort
that must have taken.

Jeez!! No wonder I've been feeling so ill the last 4 years. :( Seeing all of their disgusting crimes on one page makes my stomach hurt.



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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:41 PM
Original message
thats the point
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:41 PM
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67. thats the point
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 02:39 PM
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65. This is a awesome resource, bookmarked and kicked.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:31 PM
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70. Nice work.
Thanks for posting this.:hi:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:33 PM
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71. It's a lonnnnnng nightmare! Can I suggest one I didn't see?
Avoided attacking Abu Musab Zarqawi three times

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601

+ maybe under a Being strong on fighting terror' caption
++ which is a 'rovian' myth...



B,R&K

:kick:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:48 PM
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72. recommended!
A little more damning than a dirty blue dress whouldn't ya say?
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clitzpah queen Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:56 PM
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73. The Medicare Bill Scandal
Remember the threats against the civil servant intimidating him from telling the truth on the costs of this bill and his opinions re: rejection of this? The cost of this is now estimated at 720 billion...and counting... (the biggest scandal of this bill being the boondoggle it is for the pharmaceutical corporations)

Also....
The Orwellian naming of staggering # of regressive acts: Clear Skies (?), No Child Left Behind (I know you mentioned that) -- but there were many more....I forgot the names now, though

and the Revamping (personnell-wise) and De-fanging of any and all oversight/regulatory agencies in existence that Bush staffed

TOBACCO LOBBY winning reversal of formerly hard-won policy of granting hundreds of millions to class actions, etc. now limited to 10 million?

I am soooo glad you did this. I was thinking this needed to be done back in September/October '04.

thank you.

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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 03:58 PM
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74. TOP NOTCH WORK!
Edited on Fri Jul-15-05 04:05 PM by FtWayneBlue
Thank you for the rundown. Perhaps you could add the Democratic HQ breakin in Ohio, and the total sham that the "recount" there was.

(on edit)

Also, overturning the government in Haiti.

And what about the dozens of microbiologists that have been dying/being killed/committing suicide?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:02 PM
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75. I wrote a poem called, "When a Bush is around, shit happens"
It stopped it in 2003. It needs to be updated, but I'm afraid it's going to be 50 pages long. lol
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:05 PM
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76. have you seen the wage slave journal?
a website, it has, or had a "scorecard of evil"
you can link to it here
http://www.hated.com/
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:13 PM
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77. Great work!!! How's about that "bankruptcy reform" legislation???
That's gonna ruin many a life come October....imho.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:16 PM
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78. You need this, too.
The Wage Slave Journal Scorecard of Evil:

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

Really good, but needs some updating. Still, they kept careful track of the first three years or so.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:21 PM
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79. You could sort these various contretemps into Scandal or Debacle
Scandals are the ones that involved fully conscious manipulations towards some diabolical end.

Debacles are the ones that are largely the result of general incompetence. And some debacles have spiraled into scandal and some scandals have also become debacles. Ex. Coingate is a scandal but it is also a debacle because of the almost humorous ineptness of it all (I especially love the part about buying Beanie Babies)
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:25 PM
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80. Terrific post! Thanks for bringing this all together.
It is unbelievable what we have had to put up with for the last five years. For that entire time, reading the newspaper every day leaves me feeling like I've been punched in the face.

What an awful, horrible administration this is.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:28 PM
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81. NBC and ABC said they were "just going to post their's" .....LOL
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:36 PM
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82. kick
kick
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:41 PM
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83. .....
..great list but isn't New York "The most liberal city in the world".?
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 10:49 AM
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129. If you don't get the humor of sarcasm, just go join the repub's
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silvershadow Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 04:46 PM
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84. Thanks I have been wanting to do this myself for quite some time
just haven't had time. By the way, compared to other stuff it is minor, but...it bothered me a great deal when Bush selected Cheney as his running mate. As I understood it, law prohibits both candidates being from the same state. If you remember, there was some stink raised about this initially, but Cheney quickly changed his official residence to his vacation home in Wyoming. Like I said this is minor, but illustrates that they will use anything and everything at their disposal to get around/break the law.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:05 PM
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85. Great work, proiowadem.
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:10 PM
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86. AmaZing work. Recommended.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:20 PM
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87. Outstanding Work !!! - Belated Welcome To DU !!! - Recommended !!!
And :kick:

Thank you for that!

I've been wondering about a list of grievances, now I've got one!

:yourock:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:25 PM
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88. Re. Plame
Also outed the name of her front comapny which tracked nukes and other WMD along with terrorists links. Goes directly to the heart of the fake WOT and national security.

Also, consider adding a category for abuse of power:

~How Senselessbummer conducted himself during the hearings on the patriot act.

~Senselessbummer then denies Rep Conyers a room for DSM hearings. When this hit the news, only a closet size room was allowed in the basement. The repukes then schedualed 11 (?) votes on the floor of the House at the same time as the hearings.

~many more...

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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 05:29 PM
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89. A few:
-Threatening to fire the Medicare whistleblower.
-Threats and bribes of congress over Medicare vote.
-Bill Thomas calling the capitol police on the dems and then lying about it (the bill was regarding pension funding--this whole subject could use a second look in light of the current funding problems).
-Withholding info about NK's uranium enrichment until after the IWR vote.

Good work.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:12 PM
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91. Cheney's Secret Energy Policy Meeting in early 2001
Don't forget this one...it was probably the meeting that outlined the future abuses. Remember the SC said the WH didn't ned to release the minutes to congress...Big oil reps were supposedly there helping to determine US policy.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:21 PM
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92. Excellent list!
Wouldn't it be awesome to see a tv ad with this list scrolling down screen? It wouldn't even need any sound or effects.

Maybe you should email to moveon.org and request they do an ad with this.

It's no wonder Americans are desensitized/numb and depressed!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:25 PM
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93. I love lists! Great job! Printing for fw blog
www.freewayblogger.com
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:15 PM
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96. Impressive! I didn't see Bush AWOL in there. Did I miss it? n/t
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 08:48 PM
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97. Quite a legacy and we have 3 years to go
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:06 PM
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98. HA HA HA HA HA HA
Thats funny :rofl: It just two. 2006 to get the Democrats into congress than 2007 to get Bush out.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:16 PM
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100. Wouldn't approve 3 agency proposals to bomb Zarkawi in 2003
for political reasons. They didn't want to bomb a supposed chemical plant they wanted to use it for Saddam's trial. The intel on the chemical plant had the wrong town in Kudistan and the plant in the next town wasn't a chemical plant nor did it produce WMD.

By rejecting 3 opportunities thousands died and he was given the opportunity to recruit and build a stronger network of terrorists.
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 09:53 PM
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101. Add in the PNAC-Clinton letter.
Here is the URL;
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
This letter laid out the case for invading Iraq long before 9/11 and most of the people who signed the letter are in the administration.
They had a scheme. They don't care who gets hurt in their quest to fulfill their plans.
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 11:00 PM
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102. More PNAC info;
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:21 AM
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103. Suggest you send this to the Michael Moore site and some others
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:27 AM
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105. now all in one handy place
thanks!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:58 AM
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106. Treatment of Vets and the military. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 02:59 AM
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107. Abstinance ONLY Sex Ed (It doesn't work!)
wasted money.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:00 AM
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108. Suppression of or attacks on whistleblowers. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:00 AM
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109. VIOXX dangers Cover-up.
Sorry if I'm repeating some in your list that I just missed.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:01 AM
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110. Corruption of scientific inquiry among academics and scientific community.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:23 AM
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122. Ditto
Altering scientific results and promotion of researchers who support industry goals over objective science --this problem is difficult to even judge the true extent of.
--what makes it into the news concerning the drug industry and environmental research for example--is the tip of the iceberg
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:10 AM
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111. Blue curtain to cover the naked breast of Lady Justice
Abstinence only sex ed (and the lies they tell)
HIV transmitted through tears
Anti-Gay Hysteria
Gay Marriage Constitutional Amendment
Sexual degradation - highly offensive to islamic culture
Soldiers sodomizing young boys


THIS is what they lie awake and think about. It's quite telling, actually.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:17 AM
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112. Missing: Insider Trading In Harken Energy Stock...
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:49 AM
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113. Failure to obtain prosecution of real terrorists/questionable prosecutions
of terrorist suspects

(again, sorry if this is redundant. It's a BIG list.)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 03:51 AM
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114. Manipulation of Terrorist Incident Data
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:14 AM
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115. Censorship of Photos of Returning Military Dead
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:33 AM
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116. I think I have at least five unmentioned up to now...
The accidental sinking of a Japanese fishing boat by a submarine filled w/Republicans out for a pleasure cruise

The strange contour of a mysterious control box on back of Butch (beneath his suit) at all debates and many press conferences, never questioned publicly or explained

The bugging of a Chinese plane we captured and returned with a few 'modifications'

2004 election vote count lockdown in Ohio's Summit county based on false reports of FBI warnings of possible terrorist actions (totally denied by FBI)

Afghanistan: Dropping food that looked like bombs, and bombs that looked like food

Others:

Ken Blackwell's connections to Butch admin

Diebold head's connections to Butch admin and vow to "deliver votes"

Viacom head honcho Sumner Redstone's connections to Butch admin

Alberto Gonzales strange torturous perversions of basic meaning and intent of the Geneva Convention

Condoleeza Rice's statement that NO ONE could have imagined anyone using planes as missiles/weapons (apparently never heard of WWII--kamikazes, Tora Tora Tora), and the media nodding in agreement at this UNBELIEVABLE BULLSHIT!

Convenient timing of terror alert upgrades at the most propitious times

Butch's plan to go to Mars (sadly never carried out)



Minor stuff (but we DO want to be comprehensive):

Recent rumors of Cheney's new heart troubles covered up
Butch dropping the dog (NOT metaphorically) in front of horrified children
Cheney's potty mouth (Go f-- yourself!)
Butch's difficulties riding a bike
Butch's difficulties eating a pretzel
Butch's difficulties with his own native language

And who can forget First Stepford-Lady Laura Butch's sad attempts at stand-up comedy:  
"I'm proud of George. He's learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse."
Whatever will we tell the children on that one???

Hell of a list you made, proiowadem! Hope this is helpful! I will nominate, if not too late!
d
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:55 AM
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120. Wow. We need an encyclopedia just for all of this stuff
There's just too much!:cry:
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 04:57 AM
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117. Addendum: On the use of the word SCANDAL:
I think it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to distinguish between actual cases of laws being broken and 'scandal', which is defined in my Merriam-Webster Dictionary as:

1. DISGRACE, DISHONOR 2. malicious gossip; SLANDER

What Clinton was tried and nearly impeached for was a SCANDAL. Scandals are USUALLY sexual in nature, often victimless and often NOT involved in the breaking of actual laws; Watergate was not truly a scandal at all, but an instance of a series of CRIMES, both high and low.

On the other hand, lying to the world to rationalize an evil and opportunistic war, conspiring to commit treasonous acts against your own country, sedition, blackmail, murder, coverups of any sort that involve PERJURY, and the calculated undermining of all that America once stood for, all of these are CRIMES, not scandals...
Treason and sedition in particular are HIGH CRIMES; they impact thousands, possibly millions of lives in truly horrifying ways.
I know this is a common misuse of the term these days; but this does not obviate the need to correct the matter. It is in fact, imho, PARAMOUNT that we begin to make this distinction clearly and loudly at every opportunity.
To term a CRIME as a mere scandal is to utterly dilute its actual meaning and impact.

And again, with all that this hideous fuck-all administration is actually guilty of, there is more than enough room to separate the two categorically, so that our own intent in pointing them out, and the clarity of their TRUE meanings, is not hopelessly diluted in the doing.
d
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:56 AM
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121. Agree. It's important to make that distinction. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:53 AM
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118. As I suggested yesterday, I would begin with the Newt Gingrich
Revolution and call the period that began with him to the current Rove exposure (which we know is the beginning of the end for the Republicans) the Kool-Aid Decade.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 06:53 AM
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119. In his first term Bush began withholding performance data that
showed the failures of the Administration. One of the first to go was the Commerce Department's monthly announcement of lay-offs. We were losing at least 50k manufacturing jobs a month, so Bush decided to "classify" that information. A paragraph appeared on about page 12 in my local paper stating that layoff figures would no longer be released. Part of the reason this Administartion has succeeded in lying to us is the media's complicity.

That withholding of public info should have outraged every editor in the country!

Rep. Waxman published a report in Sept. 2004 outlining all of this in a report called "Secrecy in the Bush Administration."
http://democrats.reform.house.gov/features/secrecy_report/index.asp

Exerpt:
In fiscal years 2001 to 2003, the average number of original
classifications per year increased 50% over the average for the previous five fiscal years. President Bush also increased the number of agencies with original classification authority and delayed the pace of declassification to an annual average rate of 60% lower than annual rates during the Clinton Administration.

Thanks for taking the initiative to compile this, proiowadem.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:28 AM
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123. "The Scandal Sheet" (34 scandals from chimp's first term)
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 08:33 AM by ailsagirl
I'm adding this to the thread because I think it's a great
article listing in detail each of the scandals that bushco
incurred during its first term.

Print it out, send it to Harry Reid, or just read it and weep.
Here are 34 scandals from the first four years of George W.
Bush's presidency - every one of them worse than Whitewater.


=snip=

This list focuses on scandals involving apparently illegal activity or
violations of ethics codes. Not everything that is politically, legally,
or ethically scandalous constitutes a scandal. It is scandalous, for
instance, that House Republicans have further weakened their own
ethics committee. But that is not, properly speaking, a political
scandal. It is just contemptible governance.


http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011905D.shtml
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:40 AM
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124. And another -- from The Nation
came out a few days before the selection.

100 Facts and 1 Opinion: The Non-Arguable Case Against the Bush Administration

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:49 AM
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126. It's just unbelievable... (pretty funny-- "the selection")
Of course, don't forget that most of the scandals are Clinton's fault!!
:grr: :mad:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 08:48 AM
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125. Manufactured scandals: Swift Boat Liars and the attack on the AARP
Sorry if already mentioned. List is getting long.

http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/000851.asp
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 09:11 AM
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127. Bush's record
AWOL
Coke head
Marijuana smoking liar
Busted companies
Bailouts from family friends
The Texas Mess
Campaign Lies, upon lies, upon lies
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:17 AM
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130. Great Post Neighbor!
:yourock:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:59 AM
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141. ditto
;->

peace
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 11:53 AM
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131. WTC7 collapse is well investigated - you refuse to believe it because your
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 12:07 PM by TankLV
mind is made up - IN SPITE OF THE OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE.

I hate it when people know nothing of what they are talking about.

Other than that, a fine list.

Also - don't forget the "I don't care about Osama" quote.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:17 PM
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134. Care to provide a link supporting that WTC7 claim, Tank? n/t
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proiowadem Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:30 PM
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135. Care to provide a link to the over whelming evedince
Edited on Sat Jul-16-05 12:30 PM by proiowadem
I hate talking about things I don't know too. That's why it's in the Questions section.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:34 PM
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136. "I hate it when people know nothing of what they are talking about."
& never post a link :shrug:

i've been reading and looking for an official & complete investigation to wtc7 and have yet to see one... and i've been following this story for years.

tia :toast:

peace
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:43 PM
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137. I am sooo fucking sick of you people.
Do a search under my name, goddammit.

I've posted long and many times on this when all the discussions were going hot and heavy - complete with links.

But you all would rather believe in your own SPECULATION in spite of all the EXPERTS - that's right EXPERTS - who do this for a living 24/7/365 LIKE ME - it is my PROFESSION after all, along with all the other EXPERTS.

NOT A SINGLE PERSON WHO IS IN THE PROFESSION - engineers, architects, etc. HAS EVER AGREED with this nonsense - NONE OF
ALL those who are fantacizing about this DO NOT WORK IN THE PROFESSION!

But is easier to believe crackpot and thoroughly debunked fantasies from NON-PROFESSIONALS.

Look up any ENGINEERING magazine or UNIVERSITY research paper.

Yeah, we're all in the same "conspiracy of silence", right?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:52 PM
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139. "you people"
again NO links.

"Burning Questions...Need Answers": FE's Bill Manning Calls for Comprehensive Investigation of WTC Collapse

Fair Lawn, NJ, January 4, 2002-Bill Manning, Fire Engineering's editor in chief, is summoning members of the fire service to "A Call to Action." In his January 2002 Editor's Opinion, "$elling Out the Investigation" (below), he warns that unless there is a full-blown investigation by an independent panel established solely for that purpose, "the World Trade Center fire and collapse will amount to paper- and computer-generated hypotheticals." Manning explained: "Clearly, there are burning questions that need answers .... The lessons about the buildings' design and behavior in this extraordinary event must be learned and applied in the real world."

In an interview with the New York Daily News today, Manning reiterated his call for a "full-throttle, fully resourced" investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center. He is asking members of the fire service to read "WTC 'Investigation'? A Call to Action" in the January 2002 issue of Fire Engineering and at fireengineering.com and to contact their representatives in Congress and officials in Washington to ask that a blue ribbon panel be convened to thoroughly investigate the WTC collapse.

Among those also calling for the investigation are Sally Regenhard, the mother of Christian Regenhard, the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) probationary firefighter killed in the World Trade Center (WTC) attack, and founder of the Campaign for Skyscraper Safety; Give Your Voice, a civilian relatives' group headed by Michael Cartier, who lost his brother in the collapse; prominent structural engineers and fire-safety experts, and New York State Senators Charles Schumer and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

more...
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225

wtc7 - clean collapse, falls in own footprint...
http://news.globalfreepress.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=51&pos=0

psst... pass the word ;->

peace
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-05 12:46 PM
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138. rocket fuel contaminating CO lettuce - Bush 'gags' EPA from discussing
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:33 PM
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142. can we make this a sticky or archive it on the main page somehow?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:42 PM
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143. Whoa!
Watergate times a thousand!
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