Four simple things Rove failed to do...

[tinrobot]

So... taking the spin to it's logical conclusion. Rove hears from a reporter that an individual is an undercover CIA operative. At that instant, he was obligated to:

1) Inform the reporter that discussing the identity of a CIA agent may be illegal.

2) Immediately contact the director of the CIA to find out whether the agent is, in fact, undercover.

3) Tell the CIA director that a reporter knows the agent's undercover status so that the CIA can immediately alert the agent.

4) Turn the name of the reporter who spoke the name over to the CIA for investigation.

Did Rove do any of these? No.

Instead, he called more reporters with the information and violated the law even further.

[wookie294]

1. Bingo!!

Rove illegally said to Novak, "I heard that too", and thereby confirmed to Novak that Wilson's wife is an undercover CIA agent. Why is the media failing to focus on this?

[klyon]

22. Know wonder they get so many stories wrong, that is not a confirmation

that is repeating gossip
someone is wrong Novak or Rove?
I'll vote for Rove. He is trying to muddy the waters.

KL

[Cha]

2. Yeah, rove is a

"genius", all right..:sarcasm:

[babylonsister]

3. Ding ding ding!

All avenues that should have been followed. Thanks for the reality check that might have happened if an ethical person was involved.

[napi21]

4. WHY are we even discussing this????

I don't care if Rove says Novak told him instead of the other way around!

Novak doesn't have ANY security clearance at all! So who the hell told Novak????

Could it still be Rove, but on a separate phone call, so he can say on this call, Novak told him?

Did someone else in the WH tell Novak and he called Rove to confirm?

Lets stop worrying what Rove might have done wrong because he's a sleaze. It doesn't matter! We already knew that!


Thank God I have more confidence in Fitz to stay on focus, because most here on DU can't seem to do that!

[Singular73]

5. Cheney told Miller. Miller told Novak. Novak confirmed with Rove.

Cheney and Rove are in big trouble.

But I don't believe anyone has given up Cheney yet.

[Tigress DEM]

8. Is this the trail that came out in court or how did you arrive at it?

It wouldn't surprise me if Cheney told Miller - or if Rove told Miller..... but don't reporters hang onto their "plum" stories and not give over to someone else who might "scoop" them?

I mean even in the most selfish scenario, I don't understand why Miller would tell Novak. Unless ordered to by the VP or Rove.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. She couldn't write about it herself

so she had to pass this info along so it could get out. It was also another way to cover up where this info originated. They knew what they were doing was illegal and they took step to hide their crimes. This was very deliberate and it involves all the top level people at Bu$hCo.

[klyon]

23. I would add

Bush talked it over with Cheney, they agreed to leak. Cheney told Libby to put the word out. Bush told Rove the plan and Novak called him to confirm after getting the story from someone maybe Miller, maybe another White House operative.

That is my take so far, I really don't think it was a lone gunman.

KL

[KharmaTrain]

24. There Are Those Of Us Staying Focused

I'm patiently waiting for Fitzgerald to finish this phase of the investigation and see where things go from there, and there are strong indications that there's an indictment on the way. Why else would we be hearing so much spin, so loudly and so wreckelessly? One major reason is to "muddy the waters" or create a jury nulification attitude at the outset to have people burn on this scandal before it even gets going.

This regime has gotten away with these tactics in the past...albeit far more stealth...we're seeing it in full glory. But that still won't stop this train and time will vindicate those of us who are staying focused in an upcoming conspiracy/perjury case.

In the meantime, do as I do...enjoy all the rhetoric...a vast majority is bullshit...and take notes of what some of the wingnuts are saying now, so they can be served back to them in the months and years ahead.

Cheers...

[joemurphy]

6. Great post!

[Donailin]

7. not only all that

if he was the receiver of the information instead of the sender, why did it takes two years of investigating for it to be known?

He should have said from day one, "I heard that too"

It's all desprate spinning because they KNOW they're in big fucking trouble now.

Watch this spin crash them into the fucking wall.

[lovuian]

9. And may I add when Scott press secretary asked him if he did

He denied it to Scottie and who knows who else he denied it too.

Rather than admitting it earlier...!!!

Remember Scottie's quote to the Press Rove denied it!!!

[ScamUSA.Com]

10. agreed

even IF Novak said that to Rove, Rove had no business confirming it in the context of national security. The reporter could have simply been phishing.

[jmcon007]

11. Doing the right thing is not Rove's area of expertise.....

....he just doesn't think that way and I'm not being sarcastic. He has spent his entire career deciding how best to stonewall or skirt laws for the benefit of those he works for or smearing those who impugn or question motives.. He has no history of integrity....quite the opposite.
And that's what makes it so scary for him to have the power he does.

[buddha8]

14. reality

None of these arguments matter much unless you can fully execute the power of the law and there is simply no recourse in this system to do that. Fitzgerald will be wildly smeared next and if need be he will be fired. Why? This is exactly what Bush 1 and Reagan did to the prosecutor on Iran-Contra. He had the case open and shut but the Media was choked off and instead ended up covering all this innuendo about the character of the prosecutor. Archibald Cox if you remember was simply fired for getting too close. If Nixon had the political power that Bush has now that would have been the end of Watergate. Remember Grandaddy Bush? Did he ever get prosecuted for treason for trading with the Nazis and profiting massively by supplying the Nazi war machine in the runup to the War and beyond? No. Instead he was elected Senator from Conneticut after the war.

I think all these bastards are in on this. Not just Rove and not just Cheney though in effect they are easily the two that run this 'government'. Sorry. Nobody makes a move like this in the Kabal without all the other conspirators knowing about it. Including the Monkey-Prince, Sleazy-Rice and all her National Security rectum lickers, Powell,Hadley,etc. They all knew about Plame and the sting on Aramaco for sometime before because her cover was designed to bust Saudi financing of international terror in my opinion.

No way the law wins here. There are simply too many power players at the top who are vulnerable. They will hang together and count on the attention deficit of the Public and the Nazi talking points of the RNC to bail them out and they will prevail.

What is needed right now is the organization of a Million Man-Woman March on Washington to begin on the West Coast and makes its way East across a dozen cities in America and reach fruition with several million pouring into the streets as the march approachs Washington in the fall. Enough with these ineffectual and powerless representatives. Enough with 'the press'. How much whining do people want to continue to do? Make this a 2 month march and complete referendum on Bush war crimes,corruption and treason. Let the Press scoff at the march and then, as it gathers tremendous steam from International coverage, Internet coverage and the like, they will be forced to cover it themselves. Let the people bring tents and gather food along the way like an invading army on the march, a nonviolent force of nature. Let there be music festivals to greet them in every city and mini Constitutional Conventions to discuss this national tragedy. Then by October let the army march into suburbs of Washington, millions strong. Let people from all over the world flood in to join it and let it stop at the gates of the White House and demand truth,justice,and an end to corruption.

[jmcon007]

17. of course, you're right.

When the SEC was breathing down Dubya's neck for insider trading in Texas the investigation was suddenly shut down, the investigator relieved of his notes on the matter and, I believe, his job.
At the time of the investigation, Bush's father was president of the United States and the SEC was run by one of his biggest political supporters, Richard Breeden, who Bush appointed into the job. The SEC's then-general counsel, James R. Doty, was another staunch presidential supporter who as a private attorney was George W. Bush's lawyer when he purchased his share of the Texas Rangers baseball team. Could there be an obstruction of justice here?

http://www.skirsch.com/politics/Bush/insiderTradingQuestions.htm

To GW this is just the way things are done. That's the difference between he and small fry like us.

Hey, I'm ready to buy a tent, some freeze dried food, canteens, and DC or Bust!

[For PaisAn]

12. Exactly

He violated the law, regardless of whether he told a reporter first or a reporter told him first.

[winga222]

13. Excellent summation

Rove, more than the average citizen, would have been aware of what the "right" next steps would be. Since he disconnected his "right or wrong" switch better than thirty years ago, he had no problem doing what he did.

[dandrhesse]

15. yes!

This is the message that should be getting out, what he should have done, versus what he did. This is the way the chimp and his friends always spin an issue. The only way to counteract it effectly is to offer people an alternative. When only the bullshit is presented then you have nothing to compare it with, by giving the alternative, ethical, and logical response to the issue it makes the other seem, well...wrong! Always answer their spin by stating "what should have been done is this...."

Great job!

[dxstone]

16. Dead on! Top notch! NOM! n/t

[NativeTexan]

18. Rove the original leaker

You can almost bet that when and if the complete truth comes out on this sordid affair, that Karl Rove not only heard this from the reporters, but that the reporters heard it from someone else who originally heard it from ROVE.

Let's not forget that Rove was a RAT-FUCKER during Watergate, under little Donald Segretti, and was involved in the Nixon dirty tricks campaigns against Muskie, McGovern, Humphrey, and others.

This has THOSE SAME FINGERPRINTS all over it.

And why WOULD Bush EVER fire Rove over this kind of operation, when this kind of operation is EXACTLY the way Bush has ALWAYS gotten elected, even here in TEXAS, and the way his entire administration works. OF COURSE, Rove has Bush's complete confidence....he subscribes to the entire idea...

[Marnieworld]

19. Welcome to DU!

And your first post has "Rove is a ratfucker." How perfect!
:hi:

[NativeTexan]

26. To Hell with Republican Hypocrisy

Thanks for welcoming me! I am a 50 year old lifetime Democrat that is sick and tired of the Republicans double standard on ethics, impeachment, and lies under oath!

I can remember, back in the good ole days, when all we had to worry about was a President lying about SEX!!! That lie NEVER cost us nearly 2000 precious American lives or caused 20,000+ Americans to be maimed!!

You probably noticed that during the 9/11 commission hearings, Shrub, as we call him here in Texas, REFUSED to be questioned UNDER OATH! Hard to believe ANYTHING ANYONE says when it is THAT blatant.

But the idea that ROVE is being SMEARED, when his ENTIRE CAREER has been about SMEARING the opposition, or ratfucking, is just LAUGHABLE. I have watched these jokers longer than most, and believe me when I say that if it hadn't been for two things....Rove smearing his opponents and the "George Bush" name, Shrub wouldn't have been able to get elected DOG CATCHER in this State.

Whatever, please do not judge all Texans based on opinions about these CARPETBAGGERS!! (And of course, THEY are the ones calling HILLARY a carpetbagger.)

[I Have A Dream]

25. Good to have you hear at DU, NativeTexan!

Welcome! :hi:

[NativeTexan]

27. Thanks

Thanks and I plan to be VERY active!!

[I Have A Dream]

29. Great - we really need people who can KICK *SS!

CORRECTION TO PREVIOUS POST: I misspelled 'here' to be 'hear'. I'm so embarrassed! :blush:

[I Have A Dream]

28. Correction to previous post: should be 'here' rather than 'hear'. n/t

[Freedomfried]

20. Anyone thats had a secret clearance knows this

protection of confidential information is JOB ONE for those entrusted with confidential information.
You cant just sit back like a spectator watching secret materal be compromised.
FF