Forget Rove-Gate, get ready for Cheney-Gate.

[lvx35]

Anti-war conservative Justin Raimondo has a great article, speculating that Rove isn't actually the source of the leak and that it goes much higher up. He makes a very convincing case, check it out:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/

[pinkpops]

1. Another piece same theory:

http://www.mikehersh.com/All_Roads_Lead_To_Cheney.shtml

[Boo Boo]

34. This guy makes some pretty keen observations

The title of the article, All Roads Lead to Cheney is a point of view I share completely. But, the article is also a little bit of a bummer, if it is true that the Justice Department did not take any steps to prevent Cheney's office from destroying documents. Of course, the refusal of the the Justice source in this story to confirm or deny doesn't necessarily mean that they did not. After all, Libby has been questioned and has turned over his own personal notes from various meetings. Those meetings occurred at the WH, however, so that might be a point of demarcation.

God I hope these assholes screwed-up somewhere.

[Pachamama]

2. Lets just call the whole thing "Treason-Gate" - its all going to be shown

to be connected - ie, Rove-gate, Cheney-gate, Bolton-gate, DSM-gate etc...

Call it something that summarizes it in one word for the dumbed down American public...a word that summarizes what its all about - TREASON

[lvx35]

5. You're absolutely right

These are all different pieces of the same puzzle, its really interesting to see the whole thing start to unwind.

[Kazak]

9. Uber-gate

This could be fun to watch...but a disaster for our country.

[ray of light]

30. Yes, we should call and email news shows and specifically call it

TREASONGATE

All of it!

[whosinpower]

3. Yep

One can only hope that he is correct.....

[stray cat]

4. Rove is the mouth piece but the whole crew was in on it.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. No doubt in my mind, only a fool would believe otherwise.....

[KharmaTrain]

6. Follow The Ball, Not The Spin

This case is about to move into a whole new dimension. If this was simply a naming the source, was she an agent or not game, Fitzgerald would have wrapped things up a long time ago. There's more brewing here.

Signs are appearing that this is a classic conspiracy case...into, not the leak of Plame's name, but the cover-up that impeded Fitzgerald's investigation, including the smear campaign of Joe Wilson. If this is the case, we're looking at far more than Karl Rove's turdblossom in the sling. And we're looking at a case that will last for months and into next year's elections.

[lvx35]

7. I think that's totally true.

What's fascinating to me at this point is seeing how all these pieces, which I thought were disjointed before, are now coming together. A real picture is starting to emerge here, and there's no holding it back. Beautiful.

[KharmaTrain]

10. Seems Like No One Else Is Really Seeing This

I just posted some stuff Larry O'Donnell said last night and today. He's the one who put Rove's name out there last week that started this whole frenzy...and at the time that was taking one hell of a gamble.

He and John Dean have offered incredible insight into the process going on here and throwing some tidbits in to make this case look like it's starting to ramp up not down.

I'm looking for the transcript from yesterday's Moneyline. He really spells out the situation nicely...and if he's to be believed, this case could broaden, and soon.

[lvx35]

17. It'll take some time...I just started peicing together the big picture.

But as the pieces fall more and more into place, it becomes easier, not harder to understand.

[pacalo]

11. I love your sig. picture.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. I think so too

Fitzgerald is a top prosecutor. If this was just about Karl Rove I also believe he would've gotten Rove back in 2003 or early last year. I hope it goes faster though but by the end this thing could get good and interesting.

[Kazak]

8. I've had the hunch for a while now...

I agree.

[B Calm]

12. Bush and Cheney both are in on this, you'd have to be a moron

not to realize it!

[lvx35]

14. But it's changing fast

Heck, I knew these guys were bad from the get go, but knowing or speculating is a lot different than actually seeing the facts come out. These are interesting times!

[pacalo]

15. For sure.

I can't go along with the author's portrayal of Rove as being caught unaware by Cheney's intentions, though. Anyone who knows anything about this administration knows Rove is no babe in the woods.

When Rove and his shills blabbed to reporters and anyone who would listen, they didn't realize that they were aiding and abetting an elaborate ploy to stick it to the CIA.

[peacetalksforall]

16. This is an excellent article and any idiot journalists can understand it,

however, he didn't mention the other possible motivation - to close down the CIA investigation into nuclear and wmd trafficking centered around Pakistan. Is this a TWO-FER or not?

[Just Me]

21. If true, that would be the most stunning development.

Can you imagine? If they outed her to cover-up their own participation in illegal WMD proliferation,...WOW :wow: just WOW!!!! That behavior would make them domestic enemies, utter malignant traitors in having directly acted against the security interests of their own country.

[lvx35]

22. That's a big post.

I have spent some time pondering that sinse you posted it. According to the information at hand, if it was indeed the case that the leaker was in a position to know the effects that outing her would have on her Cover company, and I can't see how this wouldn't be the case, than the ramifications are huge:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/3/16838/88864
Whether the motication was to help wmd traffickers in the pakistan or not, that was undeniably the effect:

"However, it was not long before stories from the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal tied Brewster, Jennings & Associates to energy, oil and the Saudi-owned Arabian American Oil Company, or ARAMCO. Brewster Jennings had been a founder of Mobil Oil company, one of Aramco's principal founders."


Edit addendum: Smells like ass. I've been thinking about this for awhile, and if its that bad, the monolith is about to come out of the shadows. There is no hiding something that smells like ass that much. It just stinks too much. Fitzgerald is the person right now with all the facts. We will just have to wait and see what happens, but if its there, it will come out. If its just some Mickey mouse shit, it might not. But something that stinks like this can't hide, its like the rotten hamburger behind the cushions of your couch, you can't ignore it!!! :)

[emulatorloo]

18. Oh Yes, the investigation is "Ongoing" and Rove is just one link

in this sordid mess.

[Donailin]

19. Who wanted the war the most? Who is a signatorie on the PNAC?

Cheney and um, thinking. . . . uh, oh: Cheney.

Bush Cheney Rove is the seeming order of power, but in fact, it's 1: Cheney, 2: Rove and 3: Bush in terms of who's brain comes up with ideas and talking points.

[longship]

20. Randi Rhodes is connecting the dots!!!

Snag and listen to her Thursday or Friday shows this week. She goes into great detail on Thursday and summarizes to John Conyers on Friday. He was obviously very impressed with her analysis and research.

This has connections all over the place.

Randi provides a scenerio that answers the question, "What if this wasn't all about political retribution? What if *** wanted to take down Plame's covert network because it was getting too close to the Bush/Saudi connections?"

Randi has connected those dots. It's pretty good stuff. Right now it's tin-foil-hat stuff, but who knows what the GJ and SP have dug into.

Snag it and listen to it.

[BeFree]

23. Yeah,

The conspiracy was to take down the WMD investigation that Plame was about to find Cheney's hands in. So, they got all they could on Ms. Plame, the undercover person, and they found her husband was Wilson.

They send Wilson to Africa on a wild goose chase and he rightly cries foul, setting himself and his wife up for a public hit. The hit was the cover for the real conspiracy: Stopping the CIA's WMD investigation wherein Cheney's hands would be found.

[longship]

24. Well, I'm not too sure of *all* that.

This strikes me as a conspiracy of "things falling in their lap".

Sending Wilson to Niger so that they could expose Plame's network seems a stretch. It's much too complex. If they wanted to do away with Plame's investigations couldn't they just issue an executive order to close it down? Involving her husband and the (yikes!) press to do it seems a very risky venture, especially when it deals with top level security issues.

But once they connected the dots and saw an opportunity to both blow the network and take political retribution on a perceived foe, they just might do that....

Sheesh! The more one thinks of these things the more ones head wants to explode.

Why the fuck did they do this?
No matter how one looks at it, it doesn't make a smidgeon of sense.
:shrug:

[BeFree]

25. Yeah, it's mind boggling

But we have good information that Cheney was involved in nuclear weapons sales. And we hear that Cheney was the one who sent Wilson to Africa, afterward Plame was exposed.

They figured they had gotten away with the nuke sales for so long that committing a minor crime which would stop forever the CIA finding blood on Cheney's fingers was the easiest way to do it. Using the WH to outright stop the CIA WMD investigation would have raised too many eyebrows, and may not have succeeded. But it sure is stopped now, eh?

[longship]

26. Very convincing, indeed.

Links to Cheney, Bolton, and the whole scum bucket of slime.

Mandatory read!!

Recommended.

[Mandate My Ass]

27. One detail in that very plausible scenario made me ROFLPIMP

It's quite likely that Rove was a victim of whoever *cough* Cheney *hrumph* wanted to out Plame. Oh sweet Jebus, if that's true I might convulse and die of an irony overdose.

Rove, the dark overlord that makes all of Washington tremble before his evil might, played like a punk and left standing when the lights came on with his pants around his ankles. :rofl:

[caligirl]

31. Not surprising,

[Independent_Liberal]

29. Hmmmmm....

Cheney better look out. He won't know what hit him.

[caligirl]

32. It will be such a pleasure to see that swing coming at him.

[Bluebear]

33. And which company benefited the most from a war on Iraq?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...........

[Boo Boo]

35. Self-deleted /nt