Wow, instead of Rove, Clinton and Liberman are more concerned about...

[Initech]

Hidden sex in Grand Theft Auto!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050715/en_nm/media_sex_dc

WASHINGTON (Hollywood Reporter) - Two high-profile U.S. senators, Joseph Lieberman and Hillary Rodham Clinton, are incensed over pornographic content "hidden" in the popular video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," and are demanding action from either the government or the game's maker.

The content can be unlocked by using the "Hot Coffee" code modification widely available on the Internet. By installing the modification, gamers can have their drivers find different girlfriends in the game who will have a "cup of hot coffee" -- a euphemism for sex -- with them.

A spokesman for the game's maker, Rockstar Games Inc., said the "Hot Coffee" modification was the unauthorized work of people in the "modder community" -- the group of intense gamers who often add content to games.

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"Sen. Clinton is a fine lawyer and undoubtedly knows that her proposal is unconstitutional," he said in a statement. "The senator's proposal is politically savvy but will do nothing to help parents make informed choices about the video games their children play. In fact, by turning the voluntary video game ratings system into a cudgel of government censorship, Sen. Clinton's proposal ironically would likely lead to the abandonment of the ratings system."

[Tux]

1. Simple solution

Parents check the ratings and decide if it's for their kids. Problem solved. Why do parents need gov to raise their kids? I noticed that in the 90's.

[stray cat]

4. I thought it was tampered with ie bootlegged.

The manufacturer supposedly didn't know it was there. However, it sounds like it was a fairly isolated event.

[Eric J in MN]

13. But the game is 17+ in the first place.

It's legal for 17 year olds to have sexual intercourse in NY State.

[Ladyhawk]

36. Unbelievable.

You'd think Dems would know better than try to babysit us.

I like video games, even some of the violent ones, but some of them are not right for kids. That's the parents' responsibility. Sheesh! Besides, I would be more worried about the violence of Grand Theft Auto than sex.

My upbringing taught me that sex was evil and violence neutral. I am not the violent type, which is good, but teaching me that sex was evil suppressed natural tendencies and kept me stuck at prepubescence in some ways. It's not a good way to raise kids.

[Initech]

42. "You'd think Dems would know better than try to babysit us. "

Yeah, seriously! That's what the fundie nutjobs are for!

[Canuckistanian]

44. This is not a part of the original game

It's an add-on, a patch. You could do that to almost any game.

[madeline_con]

54. Exactly.

They call me over to buy it, so I know the rating. How is it "slipping past" all these pseudo concerned "parents"??

Who's selling this unbeknownst and parents "discovering" the content??

[Stirk]

2. Go away, DLC. Your 15 minutes is up.

[killbotfactory]

3. why don't they ban sex in movies, then?

Oh wait, it's because it's FUCKING UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[madeline_con]

55. This one, though...

being as how the game's rating is 17 up, would be like banning nudity in R rated flix.

[Tommymac]

5. The DLC is what is WRONG with the Dem party.

Crap like this is almost criminal. They are distracting us from issues that really mean something - DSM, Plame leak, et. al., to focus on video games.

I used to like Hillary - what the hell happened to her? She was a liberal a long time ago...but now she is just another repub lite. I didn't notice her talking face in the awesome hearings on Reids Amendment on Friday...

The DNC is getting another 10.01 contruibution today from me - the .01 is to show support for Howard Dean and his worthy goal to give the party back to the People. Grassroots is where they must focus. We need to show they don't need the corporate blood money.

It was a mistake to walk away from the people's base in the 90's - and start groveling at the feet of the corporations.

[jsamuel]

6. I hate this stuff, Parents need to take responsibility for their children

[journalist3072]

11. see my post below...n/t

[Tommymac]

49. "Responsibility"????

What's that word? Is it English...nah, must be French...sounds French...damn freaky Frenchies...

:sarcasm:

[Mythsaje]

7. This is like

the whole Tipper Gore getting songs banned from the radio thing back in the eighties.

Like "Hell is for Children" by Pat Benatar. There are people a few years younger than me who've never heard this excellent song about child abuse BECAUSE they had it stripped from the radio play-lists. Not because they didn't like the song, but they didn't like the title.

More stupidity from the nanny brigade. They should trust Americans to make good decisions and stop trying to protect them from meaningless crap like this.

Either get on board with the DSM and Plame Leak news, or go the hell away...

Wasting time and energy on this crap...sheesh.

[Neshanic]

8. Joe and Hillary...must of thought this up over a few Martinis.

"Hillary my supporters see this as a big issue in their lives." Said in voice like Ambien with pompous half ass grin mixed with concern.

[journalist3072]

9. I disagree wholeheartedly, and here's why....

I think Senators Clinton and Lieberman are right to be concerned about this.

Our children are being exposed to too much sex, violence, etc right now. And the old argument of "if you don't like it, turn it off" doesn't work anymore.

For example, I have my 10-year old cousin with me for the summer. And sometimes, she gets on the computer to email her mother. And sometimes, in the course of emailing her mother, a pop-up ad might come up on the computer, of some half-naked woman or something. I don't want her exposed to that kind of stuff.

And I disagree with you saying "Instead of Rove, Clinton & Lieberman are concerned about....."

We are smart enough to be able to do more than one thing at a time. Just because Clinton and Lieberman are focusing on this, doesn't mean they are not concered about Rove. Hillary was at the press conference about Rove with Kerry the other day.

[NYC Liberal]

10. But it's not like a popup or spam, which are unexpected

This was a hack that was specifically done by a few people to make that appear. I.e., if you go buy the game, it is NOT going to show up unless you hack it to do so.

If you don't like the modification....don't modify the game!

[danalytical]

15. This game is not for children

Kids shouldn't be anywhere near this game anyways. IF they are, its a failure of the parents. Let adults have their entertainment. Should we ban SouthPark since kids might be attracted to it because its a cartoon? Just because GTA is a video game doesn't mean its a childrens toy.

Hillary and Leiberman are looking for brownie points from religious conservatives and soccer moms. Its despicable, but at least if they gain a little more support for the Democratic party I guess some good can come of it.

[journalist3072]

17. Your post assumes....

That they are really concerned about this stuff; that they are just doing it for political reasons. And I disagree with that.

[danalytical]

21. you mean "aren't concerned"

Did you mean that I assume they "aren't concerned"?

Because guess what? They probably aren't. This stinks of politics to me. It's entirely possible and even more probable that politics is the reason.

Here are some things to remember.


Hillary Clinton is poitioning herself as a moderate. She rallies the base one day, and then goes and appeals to conservatives the next day. She probably figures that if she gets enough issues that draw people from both sides of the aisle, that she will win in "08". She may a little trouble with the Liberal side of the Democrats that will certainly criticize her for jumping the fence so often, but she knows in the end they will vote for her and not a Republican.

and BTW
Bill Clinton certainly DID inhale. And I like him more because of it.

[journalist3072]

24. Yep, I meant to say "aren't concerned" ......and also....

I really do think they ARE concerend about this stuff, and I'm glad they are.

If you remember, Hillary even spoke about issues like this in "It Takes a Village."

[madeline_con]

57. brownie points from religious conservatives and soccer moms.

Exactly!

I thought soccer moms had spoiled narcissistic, brats who's every move was angelic. They have all the inappropriate stuff a kid can get, including attitude.

[jsamuel]

18. Your comparison is horribly lacking of any real similarities

Did she pay for the popup?

Did she request the popup?

Did her parents buy the popup?

Did her parents approve of the popup?

Was there a rating on the popup?

Did she pay for the game?

Did she request the game?

Did her parents buy the game?

Did her parents approve of the game?

Was there a rating on the game?


As you can see from those questions, they do not compare. They are completely different issues.

It's like banning R rated movies because children can get adults to buy them a ticket!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

22. So everything in our society needs to be censored to the level of a

10 year old child?

Why not a 4 year old?

Why not an infant?

Fuck, let's just have the teletubbies and boo-bah on all the channels, all the time. Actually, they have significantly more intellectual content than, say, FOX news.

But I humbly refer you to the following Mark Twain quote:

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it."

Also, judging by the situation you describe, you really should investigate a pop-up blocker. There are plenty of good free ones out there. Or browse with Firefox instead of ie.

[journalist3072]

23. As a matter of fact....

I am browsing on here using Mozilla now. We just started using the Mozilla browser today, because the pop-ups we were getting with IE were destroying the computer, causing Trojan horse viruses to download and stuff!

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Also, FYI- if you were getting weird porn pop ups all the time---

you may have some kind of spyware; I think there are a few that do that. (and, for the record, while I am strongly anti-censorship, I think spam and spyware are a whole nother matter entirely; particularly people who design and secretly load malware onto people's computers should be thrown in the dungeon with Ken Lay)

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to download and run one or both of these, if you haven't already:

Spybot Search & Destroy: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

Ad-Aware: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

[madeline_con]

58. OR, someone's been eating cookies...

at another table, IYKWIM. :evilgrin:

I found out my computer's wierd behavior was due to the sites my 22 y.o. was frquenting!

[sandnsea]

25. It does not

That is a load of shit. I'm on the computer all the time. My business is to promote tourism web sites, primarily. I never, and I mean never, have sex pop-ups or accidentally stumble into any other kind of sex ads or web sites. If you do, then they didn't get there accidentally.

The worst I get is spam email, but they don't do anything about that because corporations want to be able to spam you. Besides, a good spam filter will block almost all of it, and she shouldn't be opening anything she isn't familiar with anyway. That's how people get email viruses.

Since they need a "moral values" issue, they might want to consider the DNA rape kit testing backlog, or focusing on molesters instead of statutory rape, or even helping teen fathers become better parents. People have never believed books, magazines, music, movies or video games turns their children into criminals. This is a complete waste of time and just helps to label us as the nanny party, which is why we lose.

[madeline_con]

59. Sensible Post!

Thank you.

Nanny party. :rofl:

[madeline_con]

56. There's a kid email service

that says it's kid friendly, and they're not exposed. She could get that.

In the case of these GTA games, they're rated M for Mature. Little kids aren't supposed to use them.

Banning content because of parent irresponsibility is wrong. The parent's job is to check out what their kids are exposed to, not make all of us adopt the standards of what's appropriate for a 10 year old.

[Eric J in MN]

12. This is ridiculous, because anyone who can find the code

on the internet, can more easily find porn on the internet.

[madeline_con]

60. Gamefaqs

has tons of cheat codes, and this modification is either available, or it will be soon on that site, IMO.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Well, attacking (Eek!) sex is safer than doing something useful.

Holy Hillary and Holy Joe are "reaching out" to the prudes who hate sex but love war.

[madeline_con]

61. prudes who hate sex but love war.

:kick:

[Vincardog]

16. Note to Hillary and the DLC The visible Violence is worse than

the hidden sex. It is an adult game. Quit chasing the RePublicans.

IF Hillary is the Democratic Candidate for President in 08 you will not get a penny's worth of my time or money.

[iwantmycountryback]

19. Clinton also called for Karl Rove to be fired

But obviously that has no affect on DU's resident Hillary-Haters.

[Snotcicles]

27. And can they name three good pieces of legislation anyone has put out

in the the last, say four years?

[burythehatchet]

35. "Hilary Haters" is sort of an inaccurate characterization

don't you think. I don't hate Hilary, she is an extremely bright and talented politician. I don't hate Hilary, I hate the idea of centrism in the face of fascism.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. I don't hate Hillary, I just vastly prefer the 1972 version.. or the 1992

version, even...

to the hawkish DLC nightmare she has become.

[hiley]

45. "DU Hillary-Haters"

hmm, just because I think she is full of crap doesn't make me a hater.
I don't hate.
It eats you alive.
hiley

[madeline_con]

62. DU's resident Hillary-Haters.

I think their marriage was over when Bill said "...that woman."

It's about politics and convenience now, IMO.

I think Hill wants Rove exposed, too, just like Bill.

[fujiyama]

64. So because

we oppose politicians supposedly on our side resorting to censorship tactics, we're haters?

Sorry, that doesn't fly. Video games are an art form, as much as some would hate to admit it. GTA may not be 'da Vinci, but the fact is, it's protected as free expression, just as shit for Mary was protected. People may find this offensive. I personally find Pat Robertson offensive but his hateful ramblings are also protected.

And the game has a warning AS IT IS - It's rated M (Mature 17+). Any adult that doesn't supervise what games or movies his or kids are watching has no right to bitch about the content. It's complete laziness on the parents' part.

Video games have clear labels, just like movies.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. You mean after you're through carjacking and shooting people

you might come across some SEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX?

:wow: :o :wow:

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgrrrrhrrrrggrrhhhH!!!!


Get. A. Fucking. Grip.

The game is obviously not for kids. If more needs to be done to make sure it's not being sold to kids, that's something else--

but if the agenda here is (again) to make everything in our society kid-friendly, and in the process go on a self-righteous censorship jihad while cleansing it of all the nekkid boobies, Clinton and Leiberman can fuck off.

[madeline_con]

63. I'd think pandering to RWs on this...

would be silly, because they'd love it.

The guy's a dealer and gets to buy cars and houses with his ill-gotten gains. Perfect aspirations for RWs.


>>>"make everything in our society kid-friendly"<<<

Yes, I resent the idea that I can't see or read anything that some snot-nosed little cretin shouldn't be exposed to!

[me b zola]

26. *sigh*

As always, Hillery, LIEberman, and the DLC has their finger on the pulse of what is important to Americans.

//sarcasm off//

[hiley]

28. both need to get their head out of their asses!

for once..
hiley

[Initech]

41. I'm starting to realize why the Repubs dont take us seriously...

[hiley]

46. why would they when we

have the DLC ?

[scarletwoman]

29. Of course. THE crucial issue of the day is how to protect the People

from Themselves. Heaven knows the Ruling Class can't have its servants worrying about how to protect the People from the Ruling Class.

sw

[stepnw1f]

30. I'm Sure They Won't Take your Gu--, I Mean Games Away From You

Relax everybody... this is just political posturing. At least she isn't endangering your life by outing a CIA Agent who is investigating Global WMD proliferation.

[bvar22]

31. Hillary is hanging with her "Homies".

"This time she has sided with right-wing Republicans Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum."
http://pc.ign.com/articles/599/599799p1.html


Joe and Hillary are keeping good company.....Birds of a feather and all.

These people FULLY SUPPORT the continued violent mass murder of Iraqi children in the REAL WORLD, but are publicly outraged by hidden light weight cartoon sex in an ADULT video game?

[bvar22]

33. NEXT TIME,

Rockstar will remember to send
Hillary and Joe those LARGE campaign contributions!

[Ladyhawk]

38. Yeah, what bvar22 said. :) n/t

"These people FULLY SUPPORT the continued violent mass murder of Iraqi children in the REAL WORLD, but are publicly outraged by hidden light weight cartoon sex in an ADULT video game?"

I know a fundy who won't let his kids play violent video games or go to R-rated movies, but he fully supports the war in Iraq. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy. I'm SICK of it.

[chrisbur]

32. It's a mod.

Not a hack. Think of the game as a "platform" around which the user community can build whatever they want. I don't play it nor would I let my ten year old but it's just a stepping stone on the path to "real" virtual reality.

Younger people tend to be more tech savvy and more inclined to understand and embrace technical/cultural change. The mod is just a manifestation of the real world via sexuality, which is everywhere already.

They are pandering to older more conservative voters who are too busy making money, ie: working on specialized tasks, to be sophisticated enough to embrace change.

They must not trust that the House of Bush is coming down and they're hedging their bets. They still think we have elections.

[Swamp Rat]

34. So much for being "Democrats"

[Ladyhawk]

37. LOVE IT...wannabe lizard...hahaha! :D n/t

[hiley]

43. Swamp Rat

wannabe lizard that is so cool thank you for always posting graphics that make my day!
hiley

[Swamp Rat]

48. Hi hiley!

:hi:

Check out the most recent bartcop.com :D

[hiley]

51. Always very good to

you! Thanks for that heads up !
Boiled Toad Mama!
so funny,LOL!
http://www.bartcop.com/
http://www.radiopower.org/talkradio/
:yourock:

[bvar22]

47. Great Work, SRat!

:spray:

[Swamp Rat]

50. Dank u

Sorry about the computer keyboard! :D

[farmboxer]

52. Treason in the White House, War, terrorists,

Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggert, Rev. Moon and their ilk running America and they are worried about sex?! I am very disappointed in both of them for such.

They should be helping get our country back ASAP! We don't have time for pretending to be the Religious Right!

[madeline_con]

53. pornographic content "hidden"

The drivers can already get a prostitute to do them, all to the sounds of the car squeeking on its shocks.

Rated M for maturity. DUH, Joe and Hill!