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[Kelvin Mace]

on http://www.blackboxvoting.com/index.php


David Allen
Hastily drafted into
the Voter Defense Underground
www.blackboxvoting.com

[nolabels]

1. Thanks for the information, brave people deserve much praise

We would have never have known without people like you,
Thank you again

[shance]

2. Thanks David***

n/t

[alfredo]

3. So put this in English for us

And how good a case does Liebold have?

[Kelvin Mace]

11. I'll try

1) Liebold claims copyright infringement using DMCA club. Remove infringing material.

2) Clueless attorney tells client, shut down everything, client does.

3) We are fighting to get access to our files in order to set up elsewhere.

As to what kind of case Liebold has, I'm sure that certain other posters will be more than happy to tell you the yarn Liebold will spin.

David

[Cocoa]

14. DemActivist said that you weren't fighting

on the other thread, she said that she wanted to fight the action, but that BBV wanted to fold, and that the disagreement caused her to part ways with BBV.

Naturally this develpment is interesting to me, can you shed any light?

[Melinda]

16. You are completely and totally wrong and need read it again.

eom

[Kelvin Mace]

20. Waste of time

he's just fishing for spin material.

David Allen
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[Cocoa]

21. I meant to ask if I understood it correctly

There wasn't much info there, I'm actually asking for more info.

This is what she said: "We had a fundamental difference of opinion - I believed we should stand and fight the cease and desist letter. Bev disagreed."

[Kelvin Mace]

23. I can't speak for what you do and don't understand.

[Cocoa]

28. interesting answer

but I still don't know what exactly happened, and you do. Why won't you share?

[Kelvin Mace]

17. Are you familiar with the character Grima Wormtongue

in the "Lord of the Rings"?

David Allen
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[Cocoa]

24. remind me...

I read and reread those books, but I have to admit I skipped over parts.

I guess I can figure he was a bad guy, from the name and because I don't think you like me. :-(

[AP]

25. That sentence structure reminded me of the Florida "recount"

We counted and recounted those votes. But we admit, we skipped over votes.

[ParanoidPat]

34. "but I have to admit I skipped over parts".....

.....Why does that not surprise me? :shrug: :evilgrin:

[TacticalPeek]

15. Can AIT cough it up as fast as they shut it down?

"3) We are fighting to get access to our files in order to set up elsewhere."

Why not send them notice rescinding any permission, implied or otherwise, AIT may have to possess BBV copyrighted material, hereafter referred to as the "BBV site", and demand its immediate return, destruction of all copies thereof, and proof of said destruction satisfactory to BBV?

Goose v Gander

[Kelvin Mace]

26. Nah, we are not going to

mess with 'em in that context. We just want the site unlocked so we can move elsewhere.

David

[TacticalPeek]

27. I guess I agree reason trumps emotion in the lawyer pit.

:)

[shance]

4. The next step?

David,

Earlier there was talk on a one to two page summary that would be a good flyer to hand out, and or send to others.

Seems to me now it is a great time for us to begin an Election Reform meetup movement nationwide and keep things moving. I have approached this subject here at DU and I think now with the amount of publicity presently being given, the time is now. It would be great to establish neighborhood walks, etc. There is no reason to sit back now, unless I am missing something.

And in the end, this has little to do with Diebold and more to do with implementing fair elections through a voter verified paper trail and a thorough audit.

Thoughts?

P.S. You might want to place more of an explanation on the website. Its pretty abrupt, and of course this whole thing has been abrupt, but so many have been trying to help, we cant let these others dictate how this is going and what good is taking place. WE ARE RIGHT, THEY ARE WRONG. Americans know it.

[shirlden]

8. Shance perhaps you could take the iniative on this

Possibly a good move would be to contact Rush Holt, he has an aide (I don't recall the name) who is active in the electronic voting problem. We need a national image to mount a national movement and Holt may be the place to start. I do agree that we need to have total vote reform.
The HAVA is a huge mistake and was not for the American people (but then what is in this misadmin. It is just another "loot the treasury" scam. This was a double shotgun blast at the people. They not only steal our money, but our vote, as well. What a perfect operation. Sounds Rovian to me.

Keep kicking

:kick:

[gristy]

12. Holt's staff member who works on electronic voting

is Eric Gordon. I've spoken with him a couple times.

[shance]

30. Thanks Gristy!

For the contact.

[shance]

29. Thanks Shirlden - I'll call their office today.

Along with that I think we all can take the initiative by building up movements through Election Reform Meet-ups via Meet-up.com and that way more people can feel like we are all doing something even more constructive than just sending out emails.

It has to happen along with the "shoe-leather" approach as Governor Dean says.

[IkeWarnedUs]

32. I started a thread about Election Reform Meet-Ups

With the credit for the idea to you Shance.

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=412946

Next Election Reform Meet-Up is Wednesday, October 8 @ 7:00 pm.

Link to sign up for a location: http://electionreform.meetup.com/

[shirlden]

5. AIT has no sense of humor

Go here: http://www.aitsucks.net/email/27.htm

They do enjoy threatening people.


:kick:

[gristy]

6. Thanks, David.

For everything. I have emailed bev with a significant offer of assistance (I hope she finds it that way, anyways).

The meetup idea is a good one. I signed up for the election reform meetup a while back and I think a quorum has not yet been reached. Maybe this month it will be different.

[Melinda]

7. James Baker as Chief Counsel? LOL!!

I know its not THAT James Baker - or is it? :evilgrin:

So BBV.org is down for at least 10 days. Bev can and should file the required counter notice to have the site and its content restored, and hopefully seek legal advice as to her next step.

Hong Kong is a lovely place in the fall.

Thanks David, and take care Bev -- we'll cya back soon.

[Hawkeye-X]

10. Aitcom has a history

I *KNEW* I heard of AITCOM somewhere - it hosts two notorious spammers.

Do a google for AITCOM and you'll get a numerous spam-related hits and cartooney suits as well.

Hawkeye-X

[Kelvin Mace]

9. I am trying to get the news out as quick as I can

The phone is ringing constant. So I will post here as I get a chance but keep an eye on bbv.com for the latest news.

Some quick facts:

1) The letter from Bev is from Bev. (aol account and yahoo)
2) The attorney for the server farm told them to lock the entire site in respsonce to Diebold imperial command.
3) To the best of my sources, the files are locked and no one has been given access, including Diebold.
4) We may have found new digs for the site once we break out of the current lock.
5) I have seen "Diebold Defenders" on other sites, specifically the Yahoo message board who sound terribly familiar.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mb?s=DBD

Here you see a fellow named compsysengineer, working in conjunction with his/her sidekick mideasternpeace.

6) Bev has received some nasty and threatening email. (more on this later but we have to file reports and such)

David

[Kelvin Mace]

13. Latest on vile and threatening email

Here is the text with headers:

We'll get to that in a minute, but first: Here's a message from our friendly neighborhood cyberthug:

---full headers below---
So your silly little web site got taken down?...it couldn't have happened to a nicer C*NT.

Glad the information that was given to Diebold lended a helping hand in having your bullshit confiscated....to bad they haven't thrown you in jail yet (big emphasis on YET).

You sure are playing a dangerous game of chicken with the authorities. What will you tell your kids when mommy goes to prison?

Maybe you and Martha Stewart can share a prison cell?

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And this:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: a question
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:13:59 +0200
From: "Engeler, William"
To:

"You can't hide much longer"

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David Allen
Hastily drafted into
the Voter Defense Underground
www.blackboxvoting.com

[Melinda]

18. David, I posted trace results on the other thread.

Those emails are coming into this country from an offshore acct and being fed thru Yahoo. Use the following to contact them and get the proxy shut down:

OrgName: XO Communications
OrgID: XOXO
Address: Corporate Headquarters
Address: 11111 Sunset Hills Road
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20190-5339
Country: US

OrgAbuseHandle: XCNV-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: XO Communications, Network Violations
OrgAbusePhone: [phone]
OrgAbuseEmail: [e-mail]

[Kelvin Mace]

22. Thanks....

I'll pass along to Bev.

David Allen
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[AP]

19. Wow. So you can use the DMCA to shut someone down for 10 days with NO...

proof that the material linked infringes copyright. That has GOT to be unconstitutional.

If people are thinking counterstrategies, obviously it would help to have a bunch of ISPs lined up so that you can keep parking your domain name somewhere else each time your ISP gets this DMCA notice. After 10 days you can go back to your original provider who is insulated once having received your counternotice. Then you can stay on-line until a court of law actually hears the arguments and decides on a preliminary injunciton or whatever procedure the plaintiff then alleges.

I guess this is a good thing for web site owners to remember -- keep back-ups of everything on your site so that it's portable in the event that your ISP gets one of these letters. And have a backup ISP (or ISPs) who can hold out for 10 days until you can go back to your first ISP. (Of course, if your material does infringe copyright, you'll have greater damages for having it out there longer, presumably -- always good to talk to a lawyer so you know your pottential liability, and whether this is even a good strategy).

I notice that there are no allegations in that letter that there has been 'stolen' material. (I'm not saying those allegations won't ever come. However, theft and/or coversion are serious matters, and it doesn't look like they've come up yet.)
 

(I posted this in the other thread, but didn't want it to get lost.)

[nostamj]

31. david, et al

is there, or could there be:

a sourced set of BBV talking points for LTTE or other journalist/media sources?

something like:

@ How is it possible that vote totals were transmitted to a private corporation via the internet while the election was in progress? <quote/link>

@ The SAIC review of Diabold election software found 326 security flaws--26 of them critical. <quote/link>

@ Internal emails leaked by a Diebold whistleblower reveal multiple instances of criminal activity. <quote/link>

something about the C&Ds flurry.
something about the BBV.org takedown

???

[Melinda]

33. *Kick* cause its a keeper

:kick:

[Generic Other]

35. What a bizarre and nasty turn of events

So, how does the villainous Diebold plan to erase our memories?

And is DU safe from their reach?

[laylah]

36. Needs to be seen!

:kick: You folks be safe!

jenn

[Gordon25]

37. Hey, David...

...thanks for volunteering for the draft. We need you. Keep kicking on this. These guys are playing dirty but there are counter attacks happening on the flanks. The Pima County Democratic Party is headed to court on this issue. Just posted a separate thread on it. More coming.

Thanks for everything.

Gordon25

[TacticalPeek]

38. Link?

Kick back the kickbackers.

:kick:

[4dog]

39. kick