Joe Wilson was/is a partisan, and even joined the Kerry Campaign

[CatWoman]

BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!!

SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!

I just watched The Journal Editorial Report and their rountable is composed of Wall Street Journal hacks.

This was the rationale they used in trying to debunk Joe Wilson.

Katherine Harris was/is a partisan, and was Bush's campaign manager in Florida during sElection 2000.

Kenneth Blackwell was/is a partisan, and was Bush's campaign manager in Ohio during sElection 2004.

They were also the respective Secretary of State for their states.

Why the fuck can't the Democrats use this information whenever that Wilson comparison is used??

[NMDemDist2]

1. Wilson voted for Reagan, he joined Kerry (IMO) to bring down

KKKarl Rove

[judy]

23. More than voted for...

Joseph Wilson was appointed by Ronald Reagan.
Can't get more Republican than that!
A lot of MSM imply somehow that Wilson is a Clinton appointee of some kind. However, he was ambassador to Iraq in 1990. They always try to trick people into not thinking.

[blondeatlast]

37. "Trick people into not thinking..." PRECISELY. They practice sleight

of brain.

Sadly, it works.

[TahitiNut]

2. Wilson voted for George H. W. Bush in 1992.

:shrug: Even I wasn't that stupid. :eyes:

[rfranklin]

3. It is irrelevant to the criminal investigation...

They are trying to confuse the weak-minded because they still see this as a "political" matter. They are in deep shit.

[realFedUp]

4. It's all about offense....

as offensive as it it.

[barb162]

36. Exactly and it works. The pugs aren't defensive on this. They are

on offense lying about Wilson

[K8-EEE]

5. Most Desperate GOP Talking Point EVER.....

They have partisans who FIX THE FUCKING VOTING MACHINE...and yet they act like if you voted or contributed to Kerry, you somehow forfeit your rights to call BushCo on their lies? FUCK THAT!! I can't even believe they are saying that. It goes to show you how desperate they are getting.

HELLO!! This is AMERICA we are supposed to be able to support whomever we want for public office and retain all of our rights thank you very much!!

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

Their mentality is getting more and more Banana Republican. SCARY!

[barb162]

12. no, it's a brilliant tactic...making him look like a partisan hack

to discredit him

[Lecky]

19. Hardly brilliant IMO since it doesn't matter

Wilson isn't the one being investigated here.

[barb162]

24. It's important to discredit the people making charges against

the pugs. Make them out to be partisan leftwing liars and totally discredit them. Check how the swifties dropped Kerry's poll numbers last August. It works EVERY time.

[K8-EEE]

25. They've Gone To That Well Too Many Times

The "attack the attacker thing," IMO, it is running out of steam, as is the fear/terrorist stuff. They're cranking it up to the max and everyone but the freepers & most brainwashed BushCo cultists are yawning.

[Lecky]

30. Yeah, I mean the sane republicans have got to be

completely aghast by all the blatent lying that's going on by their party. Some of them have got to be catching on by now...

I think the only ones yapping their mouths about this are the die-hard rush limbaugh listening ignorant republican base.

[barb162]

35. No. I have seen some diehard democrats following this story fall

for the lies being put out now by the RNC and /or question their beliefs about Joe Wilson. The pugs keep telling the lies until they become "facts" in people's heads.

"Look at those lies Wilson is telling, Cheney never sent him to Niger, Plame was not covert...."
Repeat one million times on every talk show. It works.

[Sugarcoated]

32. But the only one's who will believe that

are the Bush loyalists. Alot of people who voted for Bush weren't "loyalists" just people who have seen no terror attacks and didn't want to change horses. This situation is different - imo because the one of the main points of it is that Wilson and his wife were intentionally smeared and it continues with the RW talking points and the lying on the shows today, Mehlman (sounds like a real life version of Akroyd's Bass-o-matic shister), Hatch (HOW did he keep a straight face when he said Rove was a straight shooter???).

The typical uninformed American whether they lean left or right of the middle can see what's going on here - it reeks.

[CatWoman]

33. O'Laughlin Group just went off

they pointed out that the poll which shows Chimpy's "honesty and truthfullness" numbers way down in the tank was taken BEFORE the Rove story broke.

:woohoo:

[NewJeffCT]

21. agreed - it supports their talking point that it's a partisan attack

Wilson & the "other Democrats"

we don't counter it strongly enough, unfortunately.

[barb162]

29. Yeah, we are still acting like we did in August 04 with the swifties

trashing Kerry's military record. The democrats were like befuddled idiots in a defensive position responding to outrageous BS from the swifties, instead of going on the offense against Bush, the swifties and Bush's military record. I saw Kerry and H. Clinton last week on this and Kerry just gave namby-pamby bland blather about it and Hillary nodded agreement. Oh. They should have been expressing outrage, like the pugs do. Just like the pugs were SSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO outraged over the blue dress and Monica. That's what the dems should be doing now over this. But they're not.

[blondeatlast]

41. The best thing the Dems can do is simply ask for a full, independent

investigation and refuse to elaborate on the issue.

The Dems didn't loudly go after Watergate, and honorable Republicans joined the Democratic majority and forced Nixon to resign.

If this is made a partisan issue, the Democrats lose. Worse yet, the American people lose.

[globalvillage]

45. I'm confused.

What part of this is namby pamby? The part where he says Bush* doesn't care about national security or the part that calls for him to fire Karl Rove?
Just because Sens Kerry and Clinton weren't jumping up and down like blithering idiots doesn't mean he didn't say what had to be said.
Give the man some credit. If all of our Dem leaders had made similar statements, there would be no way for the media or the public to ignore them. It's our silence that's killing us.
It's not so much the outrage with repubs as that they're all singing from the same hymnal. Loud enough to be heard.
Look at what the Mass Dem leadership did with Santorum the other day. They made Romney look like the ass he is because Dems all united behind their statement and Mittens did not defend the people of Massachusetts.
My question is why isn't every Democrat calling Bush* weak on national security?

Today, as we continue to mourn the terrorist attacks in London and work to improve the Homeland Security Bill on the Senate floor, it is clearer than ever that fighting terror and making our homeland safe should be our top priority. But it is also clear today that the Bush Administration cares more about the job security of top aides than our homeland security. Today I have once again called for the Bush Administration to fire Karl Rove for his involvement in outing CIA agent Valerie Plame.

As we fight the war on terror, it is this Administration’s duty to protect those who work in the CIA to fight for our national security. CIA agents have a very difficult and dangerous job - President Bush said so himself on Monday. So it is up to this Administration to keep a commitment to protecting the identity of CIA agents, and keep its promise made in 2003 to fire anyone involved in outing a covert operative. It’s time for President Bush to fire Karl Rove.

Today we must ask the President: What are the White House’s fundamental values? Is it the value of day-to-day politics, the value of political advice? Is the value of Karl Rove’s position greater than the value of the national security of our country?

It is unfathomable that the White House would protect Karl Rove during a time that we should be protecting the identity of those fighting our war on terror and fighting for our national security. It’s time for this Administration to get its priorities straight. It’s time for Bush to fire Rove.
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/home.cfm

[blm]

54. Poster doesn't WANT tough, smart statements, she wants exaggerated gesture

blathering and lies....just like the Republicans do. Damn Kerry for just laying out the truth for those people willing to think,

Damn him for not blowing a gasket on ALL the news....if only he controlled the media, he could do that with no concern for consequence, just like the Republicans do.

But, Dems don't control the media so they do best with stating the facts as they are and explaining the consequences.

[Yupster]

34. It's a good strategy because

if the Democratic officials remain silent, then the charges may stick.

If the Democratic office-holders come up to publicly support him, then you have Democrats on one side and Republicans on the other side, and voila, it has turned itself into a partisan fight, just like the Republicans charged.

[blondeatlast]

39. The dems didn't make a big stink over Watergate, and the Nixon admin

fell. One salient difference though--the press had big time guts then.

[cascadiance]

51. Yeah just as brilliant saying that everyone lined up against Hitler...

was "partisan" too! There are some people and organizations where *MOST* sensible people will line up and be "partisan" against them. Doesn't mean they don't have an ounce of sense. Unless people become "partisan" at some point and look to stop evil in its tracks, nothing gets done when you have a dictatorship brewing, and it becomes a monster like the Third Reich did in Germany.

"Partisan" is a poor point of analysis. It only works to keep the sheeple in line (which we unfortunately still have too much of)...

[stray cat]

6. Didn't Wilson vote for Bush in 2000?

Wilson sure wasn't going to campaign for Bush in 2004 after Bush Co attacked him and his wife, betrayed our national security and lied about nuclear weapons and Iraq.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. I don't know

But in 2000 he said he gave to both Al Gore AND George Bush.

[Merlot]

7. Because Joe Wilson isn't a partisan hack like k harris or k blackwell

Joe Wilson has voted repub just as often as he's voted dem. He may have joined Kerrys 2004 campaign, but by that time, he had enough understanding of bushes policies to know that it was wrong for this country. Also, didn't the bushies reveal his wifes identity before the 2004 election? would you expect that he would support an administration that put his wife's life in danger?

[H2O Man]

8. Gosh, I wonder why

a guy who had the administration try to destroy him, and put his wife's safety at risk, might oppose that administration? And he drinks mint tea. Sounds very unstable to me.

[Cocoa]

10. Wilson isn't prosecuting the case

Fitzgerald, a republican-appointed u.s. attorney, whom the IL GOP floated as a possible senatorial candidate, and who all through the George Ryan case was identified as a republican prosecutor willing to prosecute republicans, and whose being a republican is never challenged, is.

edited to keep the focus on what I was saying, rather than on semantics.

[bettyellen]

22. Fitzgerald is not registered with either party

he was only appointed by a republican.

[Cocoa]

26. Fitzgerald is Republican through and through

the IL GOP was talking about recruiting him for the last Senate race.

[H2O Man]

27. While they may have,

he is not a republican.

[bettyellen]

31. he's not, and you just made a silly assumption

because repugs wanted to recruit him. LOL.
gosh, where do you pick up this inaccurate/ misleading info?
:eyesroll:


from the washington post


"Fitzgerald is careful to be apolitical in his targets and his public life alike. He registered to vote as an Independent in New York, only to discover, when he began receiving fundraising calls, that Independent was a political party. He re-registered with no affiliation, as he did later in Chicago."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55560-2005Feb1_3.html

[Cocoa]

40. good for him

very professional of him not to formally affiliate himself with the republican party.

But he's a republican, based on being a republican appointee, based on the IL GOP floating his name as a Republican candidate for the senate, and based on his frequent identification in the media by republicans, democrats and reporters as a republican.

I followed the George Ryan case for years when I lived in Chicago. Fitzgerald is a "republican prosecutor who is willing to prosecute republicans," and that characterization was never challenged.

[bettyellen]

43. except he's not a republican "through and through", or at all for that

matter. he was appointed by a republican, that's all. did not run for senate, ever, did he?
but don't let the facts influence your postings.
this republican thing is wishful thinking, for republicans.

[Cocoa]

46. edited my original post n/t

[henslee]

11. Shameless MSM mouthpieces keep framing the issue as a partisan

politics thing. This attempt to trivialize the situation is pathetic and irresponsible but ARE WE REALLY SHOCKED.

[barb162]

13. I wish the damned Democrats would just come out and say

"well of course he's voting Democrat now, look what this criminal Bush administration is doing to him and his wife."

[Cha]

14. Wilson had to join the Kerry

campaign to help get back the country that he loves..like the rest of us.

The difference is that Wilson was a republican until they drove him from their Slimey party.

I, like so many others, am way beyond sick of these Selfish, Murderous,Treaonous Powerwhores!

[Lecky]

15. I'm sure it was hard for Joe Wilson to vote for Bush

...after his administration outed his wife. I believe he always voted republican before.

You guys are freaking out way too much over these weak attempts at spinning. They are going to keep making up shit as we go along, their lying knows no bounds...

This is a sign that they are in complete panic mode. We shouldn't be the ones freaking out here.

These idiots do not want to hear that their leaders are a bunch of crooks, they will continue to lie to everyone including themselves...it doesn't matter if you counter their argument at this point. They will just find another lie to run with.

[Bill McBlueState]

16. yeah, how lame.

Ninety-nine percent of voters in the last election either supported Kerry or supported *. It would be really surprising if a * supporter criticized the administration, so obviously anyone who gets anything done is *going* to have a record of supporting Kerry.

[Goldeneye]

17. Ah, yes....

Wilson worked for the Kerry campaign, so it doesn't matter what Rove did. Of course. :crazy:

[Straight Shooter]

18. Damn right, BFD!! Nobody on earth is more partisan than Rove.

So what does partisanship have to do with it?

[CatWoman]

50. it's only "partisan"

if Democrats are involved.

[MSgt213]

20. Who cares who voted for. People who do vote have to vote for someone

Doesn't that then mean whom ever brings charges against someone of another political party have to be only doing it because they once voted for someone else?

That arguement makes no sense and the ones feeding it are full of bullshit.

[Darkhawk32]

28. DO THEY ACTUALLY THINK HE WOULD SUPPORT BUSH?!?!

If people believe that he would, then they're just about as fucking stupid as a turdblossom.

[Hamlette]

38. So, if he'd been a republican Rove wouldn't have committed treason?

ask that next time.

[Lecky]

42. Their heads would explode

logic isn't their friend.

[Hamlette]

48. yep, and wouldn't you love to see it, on TV of course

wish someone would ask that question.

"So, if Mr. Wilson had been a republican, are you saying he would not have exposed the truth about yellowcake, or are you saying had he been a republican you would not have considered his wife "fair game"?

[B Calm]

44. Wilson said he voted for Bush in 1992.

He was appointed by Bush, Sr. to be ambassador to Iraq... Hardly a freakin' liberal!

[MattSWin]

47. You're surprised...

That the Journal Board roundtable are a bunch of right-wing hacks?

[CatWoman]

49. no, i'm not surprised

just disgusted.

these people have neither shame, nor a sense of reality.

[high density]

52. I'm happy to see the WSJ editorial board be so defensive

They really seem to be quite off their rocker at this point, especially after I read their July 13th editorial. It's a really desperate, myopic piece of writing with the editorial board making up their own facts to support their silly and childish viewpoint.

[Bozita]

53. Proof of Wilson and wife donating to BOTH parties ...

courtesy of President Jesus


Donation records of both Wilson and Plame:

Valerie Plame:
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/...

Joe Wilson:
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/...