Did Wilson and his wife really pose for Vanity Fair?

[takebackthewh]

I gotta admit, that sounds kinda weird to me.



The stupidest
non-scandal
of all time

In its lust to take down Karl Rove, the Washington press corps is protecting Joe Wilson by failing to tell the American people who he really is. So let me do it: Wilson is the Ward Churchill of the U.S. State Department.

Churchill is a sanctimonious fraud, claiming to be a Cherokee so that he can enrich himself and smear America. Wilson is a sanctimonious fraud, claiming to be a Karl Rove victim so that he can enrich himself and smear George Bush. (He went on to serve as an adviser to the Kerry campaign.)

Now, here is the one most important thing you need to know about Joe Wilson. First, he complained bitterly that Rove had jeopardized the life of his wife, Valerie Plame. Yet, six months later, this man posed with his wife for a full-color, two-page PHOTOGRAPH in Vanity Fair magazine.

http://www.starnewspapers.com/star/spedit/col/17-col1.htm

[swag]

1. Yeah, and so did Bush and his staff, in the midst of a "terror war."

[CatWoman]

2. she was in disguise in the picture

plus, that pic was taken AFTER she was outed.

[dogday]

3. Read the timeline and see for yourself

More right wingers trying to save their asses, but it won't work. Here are the facts Jack.....

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1083895,00.html

[jhain]

4. never saw it but...

supposedly you couldn't ID her.
Sunglasses, scarf....

anybody see it?

[CatWoman]

6. !

[cestpaspossible]

34. What the well-dressed spy is wearing nt

[KittyWampus]

64. The More They Show That Pix, The Better. Wholesome But Sexy Couple

versus the likes of Rove and Cheney.

[Cha]

86. People could still tell what she

looked like but since she was already outted..it's moot.

That's the first I've seen her.

[dogday]

7. You can't ID her at all

She is wearing a scarf and sunglasses... The whole article again focuses on taking the heat off of Rove and Libby....

[Cocoa]

5. yes, they did

the picture is all over the place.

But that person's letter is really really stupid. Bringing Ward Churchill into it? :eyes:

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

8. Here it is.

[LynnTheDem]

9. His wife WAS NO LONGER A COVERT OP after Bob "traitor" NOvak outed her.

She can pose nude for I Spy now if she bloody well wants to.

DUHHHHHH! God DAMN but rightwingnuts are THE STUPIDEST MFers on the bloody planet!

[blm]

10. Bowers needs to testify under oath to Fitzgerald about Wilson's lies

since he knows Wilson so well.

In fact, Bowers should DEMAND Fitzgerald put him under oath TOMORROW so he can save the world from Wilson's lies.

Please. Michael Bowers...this country NEEDS you to testify about what you know UNDER OATH, so Wilson doesn't get away with all his lies.

[CatWoman]

11. here's his email

[e-mail]

[takebackthewh]

83. I think you give this hack too much credit. n/t

[blm]

106. Surely you didn't think I was serious?

.

[emulatorloo]

12. "Star Newspapers is the Banana Split of the Newpaper World"

What's with the dumbass argument by analogy, as if it proves anything?!?!

[GetTheRightVote]

13. Now, we know the Repubs are afriad as they should be, liers all of them

Do not believe any of their storys filled with lies and half truths.
They just do not what to see Rove go down behind his lies, really. It is not going to work this time, we have the facts on our side of this debate. Good-Bye Karl Rove, not nice to know you.

:kick:

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Didn't Jenna and Barbara do a spread too

Jeez, you wouldn't do a spread for Vanity Fair if they were asked? Besides it was all tongue in check and done so you couldn't really ID her. However, recently the Wilson's have released pictures of themselves so apparently Valerie is no longer trying to conceal her ID. Why bother after what Bu$h and Co did?

[Zen Democrat]

15. 1st, Ward Churchill is a Hopi Indian. 2nd The Wilsons posed after her

cover had been blown and her covert career was forever history.

After all, Valerie Wilson is Joe's wife and her neighbors and people at her church know what she looks like. The people at her kids' school know what she looks like. She accompanies Joe Wilson to dinners and parties, so people know what she looks like. Her face wasn't a secret, but her identity as a CIA agent was the secret.

She was a covert CIA agent for about 19 years and headed a front company for the CIA that was focused on controlling proliferation of WMD's. THAT was the secret.

[Radio-Active]

122. Important Point

* "Her face wasn't a secret, but her identity as a CIA agent was the secret."

People need to emphasize this.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

16. Why is it weird?

Please do tell.

[CatWoman]

19. I'd like to know as well

where is the O/P???

doesn't he want to discuss the thread he/she started??? :shrug:

[takebackthewh]

25. I'm here. Wassup?

Just asking. If this woman is so covert, why did he pose for a pitcher with her? I mean, I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem like a real smart thing to do.

[CatWoman]

28. Have you paid attention to anything posted on this thread?

[takebackthewh]

31. Yeah, I'm reading it now.

Geez, can't a poster go to the john here at DU?

[CatWoman]

32. Here's more "required" reading

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/07/mr_bush_have_yo.html

[takebackthewh]

38. I believe you. I just think allowing this photo was

a stupid move by Wilson.

Why would her open himself up like that to repugs?

[CatWoman]

39. um

how did he "open himself up to them"?

the damage had already been done.

she had been outed. he had been attacked.

why run and hide?

that makes no sense to me.

[takebackthewh]

42. Well because they knew her name.

And that was bad. So why make it worse by showing her photo?

I mean, phrases pop into my mind like "common sense" and "damage control."

I find it odd, that's all.



:shrug:

[CatWoman]

53. AGAIN

The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.
The name is not important. It was her covert status.

[takebackthewh]

56. All right, all right.

I'm just saying I wouldn't have done it. It just gives the repugs another talking point.

My 2 cents.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

62. yes, another RW talking point.

that you, for some reason, have taken up and run with.

just my 2 cents.

[takebackthewh]

65. Geezes, I'm sorry for raising a question.

Please don't shoot me.

[CatWoman]

67. I ain't be got no weapon

[takebackthewh]

72. Maybe, but your cats are eyeing me hungrily. n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

71. you asked "why they made it worse" by being in the picture

you are essentially shifting blame from the people who broke the law, and laying the onus of responsibility on the messengers/victims cause they were in a "pitcher".

You realize you are shifting the blame dont you?

[takebackthewh]

73. That;'s not my intention.

I wanna get that ***** as bad as the next guy. I'm just saying, you know, we gotta be smart about this. The other side is smart, you know. Evil, but smart. So we have to be smart back.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

75. ok

so I gather the way we "be smart back" is <drum roll>

<rim shot>
by ECHOING RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS!!

Jesus, I hadn't ever considered that approach! Welcome to DU!

[takebackthewh]

78. Geez, this is a scorching place.

Next time I think I'll just shut up and read.

[blondeatlast]

101. It is a scorching place. It's always advisable to read a lot and post

a little.

Just the facts, Jack.

[tjdee]

104. Why? Just because people challenge you on what you write?

Don't just shut up and read, LOL, just be ready for people to post back and disagree!

[blondeatlast]

105. You meanie! We're supposed to be NICE to the HF talking point spewer, TJ!

It's just mean to ask for his OWN opinion, and facts, and evidence, and to vehemently disagree with him!

:sarcasm:

[takebackthewh]

108. What's HF?

[takebackthewh]

107. Well yeah, I see your point.

But one chick hollers at me for taking a leak, another guy thinks I'm a troll, others jump onto my spelling ... seems just a little over the top.

[tjdee]

111. Happens to everyone at some point.

Luckily, it doesn't happen all the time.

I think most here are willing to accept differences of opinions, even if they jump all over you for it. It is a discussion board, after all. You can jump all over someone else later!

I'm a spelling nazi so I won't go into that, LOL.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

113. You must've left your asbestos flamesuit at home

[CatWoman]

120. lolololol

i didn't yell at you for taking a leak!!!

[I Have A Dream]

121. takebackthewh, I think that you're getting attacked so much because...

you're a low-count poster (besides the fact that you're also bringing up a very sensitive subject). As a low-count poster, you're much more likely to be flamed if you start a post about a controversial subject. If you had more posts, you might still be flamed, but it would be flaming more on the fact that they disagree with you. As a low-count poster, many think that you're just trying to start trouble. (I'm not saying this -- I'm just trying to explain the dynamics a bit so that things will make a bit more sense.)

If you really are on our side, I hope that you'll have thick skin and stick around. We need all of the help that we can get!

[takebackthewh]

123. Well I appreciate that. Thanks. n/t

[blondeatlast]

87. Then it's simple--concentrate on the CRIMINAL.

If we lend credence to the latest HF talking point, we lose. Argue form a position of offense. Defense is ALWAYS the weaker position.

If you REALLY want to take Bush down, play offense.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

117. Let me get this straight

Are you trying to say that her name wasn't important, it was the outing of her covert status that's the issue here? :D :thumbsup:

[Cooley Hurd]

74. Bwahahaha! You know I love you, don't you?

Midori, the truth-touchstone of DU! :thumbsup:

[CatWoman]

79. *smooch*

:*

[Just Me]

90. Bright, tough, passionate,...

,...Lady, I admire you a LOT!!!! :hi:

[CatWoman]

97. Thanks, Doll

:hi:

and I, you!! :loveya:

[Carni]

43. A male hooker close to bush pretending to be a reporter

Isn't too smart either...

Maybe takebackthewh can you help me to understand the stupidity of the WH and their freeper minions thinking Jimmy Jeff would fly?

[takebackthewh]

45. Of course i cant explain freeper stupidity.

can anybody?

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[takebackthewh]

60. Maybe freepers inbreed too much? n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

50. A "pitcher" is what you get your beer in. A "picture" is what is taken

with a camera.

[CatWoman]

51. LOL

STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[takebackthewh]

61. Sorry, I didn't know this was supposed to be a formal essay. n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

88. You are posting to an audience of thousands. There are over 73,000

registered users here and probably an uncounted number of surfers/lurkers.

I don't believe formality (whatever that means) is required. But poor grammar and spelling makes any post look like the poster hasn't put any effort into what he/she is saying. It is an indication that the person may be uneducated and hence the ideas stated are more likely to be suspect.

[mondo joe]

115. I didn't know correct words were only for formal essays.

After all - messages are just communications. Why bother using the word you mean?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

59. "a pitcher with her"

bwahahah! I get it this is a joke!
:rofl:
Good one man! You had me for a second!

[Individualist]

69. pose for a pitcher?

Which pitcher did they pose for? Johnny Damon? Tom Gordon? A pitcher from another team?

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[takebackthewh]

33. Makes him look kind of narcissistic , that's alL.

Doesn't help his case much, in my opinion. YMMV.

[Cocoa]

37. Wilson doesn't have a case

[SeveneightyWhoa]

70. Exactly what I was thinking.

His "case"? His last name isn't Fitzgerald or Rove. He isn't investigating a federal crime, nor did he commit one, so there is no "case" on his part.

Why did the original poster come here to attack Wilson with Rove talking points, by the way? Really... strange.

[mondo joe]

118. Being in a photo makes ones narcissistic?

Are you serious?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

128. Incredible what lengths...

nevermind.

[BCBud]

17. The Vanity Fair was well after she was outed.

She was a covert agent until Novak outed her.

"Yet, six months later, this man posed with his wife for a full-color, two-page PHOTOGRAPH in Vanity Fair magazine."

[CJCRANE]

18. Depends what name she used.

If her "cover" identity was that she wasn't married to Joseph Wilson then it was a mistake. But as I understand it she didn't have a fake identity, she merely worked for a "front" company.

[wallwriter]

20. Nonsensical Freeper Bullshit--see the timeline

[CatWoman]

21. takebackthewh

WHERE ARE YOU?????

[Liberal In Texas]

22. This might fly over at FR, but as you can tell by now, DU people have

THE FACTS!

[Just Me]

23. Proving that America does have some REALLY DUMB people,...

,...living on her land.

As if posing for that photo makes any difference whatsoever after this CIA operative and the whole WMD operation was exposed by treasonous RW bastards!!!! :eyes:

I don't think this one even qualifies as "reaching for straws" because it's so f*cking stupid!!!!

[spanone]

24. Seems fairly normal to me. Great things, opinions.

Don't choke on the troll bait.

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[I Have A Dream]

40. Here's my take on it.

I don't know about the original poster, but I can't say enough about how much I respect Wilson's courage in doing what he did. However, I personally feel that it wasn't really smart to do the Vanify Fair spread. Yes, the bastards already "outed" her. However, if people were truly in danger, why take a chance that someone would see it who didn't already know what she looked like. (i.e., further people might be compromised by someone seeing the picture.)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't personally think that it was very smart. That being said, the neocons had already done the real damaage, and them doing this spread doesn't take away the fact that the neocons who "outed" her probably broke the law, and, at the very least, put personal gain/vindictiveness above their concern over our country's security.

(I'm truly not a troll; I just thought that I should present maybe another point of view from a supporter of Wilson. I wish that they hadn't done the spread. I know that they disguised her, but it doesn't look like much of a disguise to me.)

[takebackthewh]

41. Thank you. That's my only point.

[blondeatlast]

102. Then stick with it, instead of offering all kinds of other excuses for the

criminals.

[confludemocrat]

47. They publicized the WH crime via the VF piece. Brilliant move.

And when virtually no one was paying attention. The orig post was kinda lame but provocative, finally not well thought through. She was outed already, and the pictures were a good while after she was. She would not have left anyone (contacts) hanging before she allowed the piece to be done. The real damage was done by the outing and that could have entailed risk to her contacts--and may have!! How is it not smart to publicize the purely political outing of her and her work.

[I Have A Dream]

52. I can't speak for the poster, but the only problem that I have is with...

the photo. If this really was her, even disguised, it wasn't smart in my opinion.

The article itself was a really good idea.

Finally, the sh*t that we're taking now over the photo shows that it wasn't a smart thing to do. (I know that it's easy to have 20/20 hindsight, but I would have thought that it wasn't smart even when the article was published, had I seen it.) I wish that they hadn't allowed photos to be taken. It didn't make the true purpose of the article any more clear.

[EFerrari]

57. Exactly. And while we don't know if Plame herself was put

in physical danger by the criminal outing, if she was, maintaining a high profile then becomes a safety precaution.

Smart people, those Wilsons.

[democracyindanger]

48. I trust the judgment of a trained CIA operative who's worked

under non-official cover (meaning she didn't have a fake passport and would not be acknowledged by the US government as an agent if captured) on whether posing in sunglasses and a scarf for a magazine spread AFTER her cover was blown increased the danger she was in, rather than some anonymous poster who has a proclivity for reading wingnut editorials.

It's not knowing who Valerie Plame is that put her in danger: It's knowing WHAT SHE WAS INVOLVED IN; which ChimpCo happily announced by publicizing the fact that she was a CIA agent, destroying Brewster Jennings & Co. and all the intelligence assets connected to it.

[takebackthewh]

63. You ever heard of that famous Chinese general?

>>rather than some anonymous poster who has a proclivity for reading wingnut editorials.<<

I think he said the first law of war is to "know your enemy."

Isnt that why freepers troll here and vice versa?

:hide:

[blondeatlast]

103. Instead of asking for your opinion on the subject, let's hear yours.

That "know your enemy" argument doesn't wash when it's pretty damn clear, as you can see in this thread, that we already do.

[Garbo 2004]

68. foreign intelligence agencies and diplomats in DC would already know what

Wilson's wife looked like. She wasn't locked up. They socialized in public together as man and wife. Any diplomatic/intel folk worth anything could have/would have put the name to the face long before the Vanity Fair spread.

Based on the VF pic alone, I could pass her on the street and not notice who she was.

Any hoohah about the VF pic is just another red herring.

[Child_Of_Isis]

27. It may not be her.

If I were the CIA and I wanted to protect an officer, the first thing I would do is trot a model out and declare her Wilson's wife.

[takebackthewh]

35. Yeah, maybe that's it.

[madrchsod]

36. duh....the star

part of the chicago sun times...is there anymore to be said? plus who ever wrote it should go back to jr college and learn how to write newspaper opinions

[crispini]

44. You can't even recognize her from that photo.

:eyes:

[leftofthedial]

49. after she was outed and no longer working as a CIA operative

what difference did it make?

[blondeatlast]

54. Does the article it SPECIFICALLY ID Plame as the person in the photo?

Vanity Fair is by no means a political or news magazine--I say they are free to take artistic license.

[gulliver]

55. The Bush White House leaked state secrets in time of war.

Read 'em. Weep.

[jsamuel]

66. DISTRACTION DISTRACTION DISTRACTION

Distract, Distort, which results in Confusion.


This is ment to distract. This has nothing to do with the fact that Rove confirmed/leaked classified information to the press. PERIOD. Any talk of Wilson is obvious spin and attempt to confuse you.

[Bleacher Creature]

92. Amen -- that's EXACTLY what this is. n/t

[many a good man]

76. Wilson knew back then the real issue wasn't Valerie

Maybe by this time he already knew the special prosecutor determined crimes were committed and was on to something much bigger. He and Val have a lot of style and he's kept this story alive while many tried to bury it. He is bringing attention to himself to keep it publicized and divert attention from the depth and breadth of the investigation.

My, won't these freepers be surprised !

[Grooner Five]

77. You can recognize her in this photo

Scroll down the page...

http://www.nathanslunch.com/PhotoPage.htm

It was after she was outed, of course, but it still seems a bit odd.

[blondeatlast]

80. Why odd?

I keep hearing this BS, IMHO, and I keep wondering why it's considered odd?

Can you offer me a reason for "odd?" Her identity had already been revealed.

Why "odd?"

[Grooner Five]

82. Because if it was going to jeopardize people...

...you'd think she'd avoid photos.

[tjdee]

89. Those people have already been jeopardized, and also...

Her face isn't the issue. Her name isn't the issue.

The fact that she worked for the CIA is the issue.

That has already been revealed. Her having a picture taken in Vanity Fair, or anywhere else, doesn't matter. The cat is out of the bag.

Any agencies who read the Novak story (or whatever) were able to connect the name to a photo before Vanity Fair showed one, I'm pretty sure.

[blondeatlast]

95. You want some justice on the issue? Then GO AFTER THE CRIMINALS

not the victims.

If you REALLY want the criminals to pay for jeopardizing our national security.

Do you?

[blondeatlast]

98. Well, let's take your logic one step further.

Perhaps visibility is her best protection after being exposed.

Adn please explain why, if you want Bush to fall, you keep attacking teh victim. Your "we gotta play defense" attitude is not only defeatist, it just doesn't wash with most of us here at DU.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

114. They posed 2 months ago-LONG after she'd been outed

[takebackthewh]

81. Wonkette is there too.

Am I the only one who thinks she is hot?

[tjdee]

85. So people think she never took a picture until after she was outed?

Her face, IMO, is not a big deal.

The deal is that she is a CIA agent.
You'll notice that the pic doesn't say "Valerie Plame, who works for Brewster Jennings, a CIA company, investigating weapons of mass destruction."

Am I to understand from those of you who find this "odd", that you expect her to never be photographed, even if she has already been outed and the damage done? I mean, her husband was an Ambassador--I'm sure she's had her photo snapped a few times before.

Obviously the Vanity Fair piece talks about her outing, but again, the picture itself is immaterial. Not to mention, she could have used disguises when she was on the job.

Haven't y'all ever seen Alias, LOL!

[Grooner Five]

91. That photo is posted with her name, though

[tjdee]

93. Her name doesn't matter.

Is she the only Valerie Plame on the planet? What would lead someone to go hey, that women looks familiar....she must work for the CIA!!

Are you saying that any underworld persons would never have known what she looked like until this site posted a pic of her? Or until VF posted a pic of her?

I guess I'm like some others in this thread, I don't understand what is so weird or odd about it. She isn't placing people in danger. She isn't outing herself. :shrug:

In fact, by raising her profile she is keeping herself safe, IMO.

[Just Me]

94. Oh, just STOP IT.

:eyes: Stop obfuscating the facts and creating a smokescreen for those who betrayed this country.

Just STOP IT!!!

[blondeatlast]

99. Well--HER NAME WAS ALREADY KNOWN, so what's the big deal?

Yours is another argument seemingly dreamt up by an HF intern.

[Garbo 2004]

112. And no one in foreign intel/diplomatic circles would know what Joe

Wilson's wife looked like if it weren't for VF or pics taken aferwards?

Like she previously wore a burkha when she and her husband were out in public and socializing in DC? According to the VF article they met in 1997 at an event at the DC home of the Turkish Ambassador, to give an idea of the kind of social circles in which they traveled.

So do you really think the "bad guys" saw the pic in VF and then put out an APB for anyone who had dealings with a blond white woman wearing a scarf and sunglasses, since they would otherwise have no clue what Plame looked like just with her name, her front company "employment" and her marriage to Wilson?

[mondo joe]

116. So what? She was already exposed and there were already photos of her.

What did this one do?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

127. Everyone knew her, but that didn't know she was a covert CIA agent

[mondo joe]

130. Yup. She was married to a US Ambassador. Was she supposed to hide

then? Or now?

These charges are idiotic.

[blondeatlast]

84. Note the language used in this pathetic argument; "odd," "weird,"

etc.

No explanation given, it's "just odd."

Can someone explain, in some detail, what is so "odd" about it?

[mondo joe]

124. Sort of the typical RW appproach to cast vague doubts without any

substance.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

125. Kind of ambiguous like Fox's "Some people say..."

:eyes:

[mondo joe]

129. Precisely! I'm developing a Freep-dar after all. n/t

[immoderate]

96. I believe I've seen this Bowers before.

He is quite the idiot.

To draw an analogy with Ward Churchill proves nothing, as analogies are odious.

Considering all the publicity that preceded it, I don't see why she wouldn't allow a photograph to appear in Vanity Fair in an article that was about her.

What I know about Ward Churchill is that he is radical and outspoken. I don't know enough to judge him. What I've seen about Joe Wilson makes anybody who gets compared to him an object of admiration. That is, Ward Churchill should be so lucky.

Joe Wilson is a sophisticated, erudite, honest, patriotic, resourceful American. Until somebody can prove different. And it's not going to be Karl Rove or this jerk Bowers.

--IMM

[dogday]

100. Here is a little bit of the timeline

2001
The Italian government's intelligence agency obtains documents that appear to show that Iraqi officials attempted to buy yellowcake, a substance that can be enriched to produce weapons-grade uranium, from the African nation Niger. The evidence is shared with British and U.S. intelligence.


2002
February: The CIA, in response to concerns raised by Vice President Cheney's office, looks into British reports that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa. CIA officials dispatch ex-diplomat Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate.



March: After an eight-day trip to Africa, Wilson reports to the CIA that he believes the allegations are "bogus." The agency sends a March 9 memo to the White House summarizing Wilson's findings.



http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1083895,00.html

[blogslut]

109. Lamest Bushco talking points ever

All you have to tell these neocons is:

"They went after the man's wife."

Simple as that.

EDITED: for clarity and drama :)

[RetroLounge]

110. Try reading a bit before proving your ignorance on an issue

it helps, and is something I learned early on here the same way...

and your status as a non-troll will probably be challenged less.

Just saying.

RL

p.s. Welcome to DU, whether you last or not.

[rainman99]

119. I've done interviews that I was offshored. It was to get the word

out. What other reason would there be? You only
invite critism when you open yourself up like that.

[I Have A Dream]

126. Can we all agree without any hesitation that the real issue is that...

Joseph Wilson's wife was "outed" out of revenge in response to the fact that he had the courage to speak the truth?

Some will think that the article was a good idea, some will think it is irrelevant, and others will think that it wasn't such a good idea (at least the picture part).

Regardless of what any of us thinks of the article, Joseph Wilson and his wife are guilty of nothing; Joseph Wilson is a hero; and his wife, her company & her colleagues are victims.

Bottom line: this is all that matters. This article doesn't take away the fact that the B* administration couldn't have cared less about national security when they outed Plame. Heads need to roll!

[pinto]

131. Locking.

Original Poster has been banned.