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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:21 AM
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Poll question: Marriage is an ownership agreement. (Agree or disagree)
Marriage is an ownership agreement where as it makes one person an owner of the other? Agree or disagree.
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Beaver Tail Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:22 AM
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I am married
and both my wife and I are equal partners.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:22 AM
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1. Disagree is too weak a term.
I find that statement abhorrent.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:23 AM
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2. Damn Fenris,
Are you sure? :) :sarcasm:
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:41 PM
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19. No shit.
Ownership? :wtf:
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:23 AM
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3. disagree strongly
I would NEVER marry a woman who'd ever consider herself my 'possession', rather than my partner.

I have little respect for anyone who thinks so little of themselves and their own worth.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:24 AM
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4. Marriage is a property agreement
A legal contract.

However, humans aren't property, and haven't been so legally for some time.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:24 AM
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5. Marriage is a partnership agreement
Equal status for both partners.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:25 AM
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6. Marriage is an agreement between two people and the state
having been married (now divorced) that is my experience.

Your 'marriage' to the significant other is valid only by proxy through the state.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:32 AM
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7. I'm married, and agreed.
I'm not saying it's correct, or moral, but that's the legal basis of marriage. Our "ownership" today is more about a legal responsibility for one another, but it's essentially the same thing.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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8. Depends on where you live. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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9. I'll have to wait until my wife gets home and tells me how to answer this.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:34 AM
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10. Historically, there is no doubt about it.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:39 AM
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11. Marriage is an agreement in which
my wife agrees to keep her hands off my beer and I will not drink her "Mike's Hard Lemonade" shit.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:25 PM
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30. hheheeheheeeee
:7 :beer: :toast: :rofl:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:46 AM
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12. What do you mean here?
That in marriage one party "owns" the other?

Or that marriage is a legal contract establishing common property rights?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:53 AM
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13. Marriage is a dangerous vaguery.

Not that I'm opposed to getting married myself, but "marriage" doesn't have an explicit enough meaning. People enter into this "contract" without first checking whether their definitions of the term match. Then they find out that what the other person meant by marriage isn't what they bargained for.

Do yourselves a favor, and no matter how tacky and embarrasing the conversation has to be, let your SO know what it is you expect from them, and listen to what they expect from you, in detail, before taking "the plunge."

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 11:57 AM
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14. My wife told me that I should disagree if I know what's good for me.
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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:07 PM
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15. Try again
I've got to beg all to be forgiving... When love happened that enchanted moment, I don't have to chase after her/him any-more. The perfect proposal for marriage isn't "if you get me, I'll make it easy for you".

Perfecting love for others starts at home, and limits itself only in a lack of imagination.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:35 PM
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17. Hi realms!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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RedstDem Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 01:04 PM
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16. Marriage Is More Like An Insurance Policy For The Mother
Of Any Children Beget In The Marriage In Most Cases, Or To One With The Lesser Earning Potential ...Get Divorced & You'll Then Know What Marriage Is..Till Then ?????

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:40 PM
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18. Marriage is a marriage of two people
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 03:40 PM by Fescue4u
I don't know why everyone wants to make it something else.

Come on, is it REALLY THAT DIFFICULT to understand what a marriage is? I think I figured it out when I was about two years old.

The basic generic definition for marriage (small m), the joining of two entitys, is the best analogy for Marriage (captial M), the joining of two people.

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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:42 PM
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20. That's absolutely correct - I own my hubby! n/t
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:43 PM
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21. I think you're talking about a Divorce agreement. That's a list of all
the things that you used to own.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 03:47 PM
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22. We married for emotional and legal reasons
Hubby and I define our marriage and do not believe how we see it should be applied to everyone else. Just as other people's reasons and beliefs about marriage are different than ours does not define ours.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:27 PM
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23. If it were an ownership agreement, there would be
a warranty and a return policy. :silly:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:53 PM
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24. Well, yeah, but people think they own their house
when the bank actually owns it.

So maybe marriage is actually a long-term lease agreement, or maybe a mortgage-type deal?

Redstone
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:23 PM
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29. Then I had the world's only five day escrow.
:)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:56 PM
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25. Marriage is a legal partnership. It is not an ownership agreement.
The partnership does provide some rights and responsibilities with regard to one another, but not ownership.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:59 PM
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26. Naw
Marriage is what you want it to be. Some of the ownership comes from divorces, who gets what, you broke my heart, you're mine, I'm keeping the kids, all that stuff. Not that they're aren't sick people out there who do believe it's a ownership agreement. That's a contributer to spousal abuse, actually
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 04:59 PM
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27. Marriage is a contract for raising children
If we're gonna cut to the chase, the contract has been for raising
children and providing a legal basis for this cooperative economic
endeavour.

I think the agreement that better fits your premise is "employment";
It makes the business the owner of the employee.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:22 AM
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41. So The Sterile/Infertile Shouldn't Marry?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:21 AM
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42. It is their liberty
I have no concern about "should". I merely responded to what
marriage is, and what it has been for historically.

I am personally in favour of making common law civil unions the legally
defined option, and marriage can just be a religious ritual dressing
on top of common law marraige.

I don't believe that human beings are intended to spend a lifetime
together in monogomous harmony... people change, grow and evolve, and
marriage is not adapting to the modern world. That said, i am
married, and it is and has been a very nurturing field of trust to
throw in my lot with another person for better or worse.

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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 05:28 PM
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28. Marriage is a covenant
When you are married by the Christian church

The state makes it legal.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 08:55 PM
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38. What about Jews and Muslims? Is their marriage a covenant?
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:11 AM
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40. Jewish marriage is a covenant
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 05:13 AM by Poppyseedman
The Christian wedding is based on the same principles as a Jewish wedding. Both are making vows before God to do and act a certain way

I honestly don't know about Muslims. Though, having more than one wife does make it seem more like an agreement than a covenant.

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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:27 PM
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31. I think marriage is an agreement to share your life as partners and
share resources to sustain your life together. Religion not needed. State, unfortunately, needed to protect the innocent.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:57 PM
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35. I don't follow...protect the innocent? nt
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:01 AM
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39. Yes. As in a case where one takes advantage of another.
The state grants rights that remain protected in the event of divorce. Property must be shared, etc.
I was engaged and owned a home with my fiance. He turned out to be a snake and didn't want to give me my share of the home when we split.(I wanted the $ I had put into it) Had my name not been on the mortgage, I would have had no rights because we weren't married.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:27 PM
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32. Yes. Marriage means my wife owns me.
And the kids and the car and the house and my pension (none of which exist at the moment. And I'm not married :P )
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dback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:30 PM
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33. I thought it was the formation of a corporation?
At least, legally, that's what it amounts to. Religion/spirituality-wise, it's a covenant, hopefully of love.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 06:31 PM
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34. Marriage is a legal contract between you, your spouse
and the State you get married in.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:05 PM
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36. I should be so lucky as to have this option
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 07:07 PM by Boomer
Marriage is a legal contract in which two parties agree to share responsibilities, financial obligations, and protections.

Like all contracts, it can be abused if the parties do not operate in good faith within the letter of the law. For those of us who honor the intent, however, it could be the most important contract of our lives.

I say "could" because I'll probably never have the option to marry my life partner. And currently she is constantly at risk for losing her medical coverage because I cannot share mine with her unless my employer voluntarily provides partner benefits.

So forgive me if I spit upon these knee-jerk descriptions of marriage as "ownership". Heterosexuals can avoid that onerous ownership quite easily by choosing not to get married. I have no choice at all.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 07:26 PM
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37. Good point
And thank you for reminding me. Easy to belittle something taken for granted. Here's to legalizing Gay marriage in our lifetimes! (Yeah I know prospects don't look so good, but we'll keep fighting the good fight)
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