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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 05:07 PM
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Election Reform Meet-Ups - - Take the BBV message to the streets
Let me say first, I don't take credit for this idea. DU'er shance posted this on another thread:

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Earlier there was talk on a one to two page summary that would be a good flyer to hand out, and or send to others.

Seems to me now it is a great time for us to begin an Election Reform meetup movement nationwide and keep things moving. I have approached this subject here at DU and I think now with the amount of publicity presently being given, the time is now. It would be great to establish neighborhood walks, etc. There is no reason to sit back now, unless I am missing something.
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The next Election Reform Meet-Up is Wednesday, October 8 @ 7:00pm local time.

Get meet-up info here, including where they are meeting in your area:

http://electionreform.meetup.com/

If you want to make sure everyone at the meet-up knows about BBV but aren't sure what to say, try this thread for your amo:

Black Box Voting: A beginner's summary -- Now you, too can get involved!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=294958
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 05:45 PM
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1. Thanks Ike - this needs a kick!
n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 05:49 PM
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2. Done..
:kick:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:11 PM
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3. Another...
:kick:
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 06:21 PM
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4. I signed up for a venue in Chicago
So far 140 Election Reformers have signed up worldwide.

We've seen the power of the Meet-Up format with the Dean campaign. As I recall the first Dean Meet-Up was in February 2003 with about 500-600 signed up. Now they have over 116,000 members. (I'm not trying to turn this into a Dean discussion - this is about Meet-Ups).

Meet-Ups are a great way to take an issue from the Internet to the man on the street.

The October 8th Meet-Up probably won't break any records, but it can build pretty quickly in time to make a difference and its as good a way as any to get the BBV story out.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:34 PM
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12. Hey so did I!
Now see I just know you picked Ann Sather's because it's all good, those cinnamon rolls and all that.

And you just know I'm posting this as a :kick: !

Serious though, this is a /great/ idea.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:58 PM
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14. Wow, we hit the trifecta!!!
Actually North suburban signup, Schaumburg Borders for me. Hope to meet you guys some time!!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 02:27 PM
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21. trifecta plus one
Also the North suburban group, but getting to Schaumburg is murder trafficwise so I voted for Lincolnwood.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:18 AM
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30. steviet_2003 and Robbien
Right now there are 7 people signed up for the Chicago venue, with Ann Sather's having the most votes. There are only 3 in the north suburban venue.

Would you be able to join us in Chicago if there are not enough responses for a North Suburban Meet-Up?

I started getting responses from the e-mails I sent out too (see post #18). And Bev Harris' cyber release of her book tomorrow works well for the Meet-Up's a week later.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:29 PM
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5. kick!***
n/t
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:47 PM
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6. Hey Ike...
I've been getting the message "application server down" on that meetup site. Been trying to access it for awhile. Anyone else having trouble?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:50 PM
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7. I got in at 6:30, but I just got the maintenance message now...
bummer.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 07:51 PM
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8. Guess I'll try later. Thanks. eom
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 10:49 PM
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13. Sorry 'bout that Truth2Power
I wasn't ignoring you - took a break for dinner and spend some time with the hubby. He's asleep so I'm back.

I just tried it and it went through ok - of course it is 3 hours after your post.

Don't give up.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:30 PM
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9. This is a good idea
I've been signed up for the "election reform" meetup for many months now but there's never been a meeting. I think the problem is that the folks who are signed up (all 3 of us in Minneapolis) don't select a venue.

So, today I selected a venue AND I indicated that I would "host" the event. Hope there is someone else there for me to be a "host" for! Well, I did email an activist acquaintance of mine (who works on the IRV issue), and hopefully he'll sign up.

All us hundreds of DUers who have been active on this issue for so many months should take the events of the past week (how long has it been since we first saw the Diebold emails?) as an impetus to hit the streets and MEET with like-minded activists. There is only so much we can do from in front of our computers. At some point we need to get out there.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 08:36 PM
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10. OK...I did it
There are about 145 people signed on right now, but they are from 86 cities. So this is growing very fast.
Go sign on. All you folks who have been looking for reason to be active, this is a great one. Nothing is more important. No, not even the 2004 election, cause we won't have an honest one until we get the vote mess cleaned up.

:bounce:
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 09:55 PM
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11. Kick
n/t :kick:
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 11:26 PM
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15. Signed up in Greensboro, NC
We need to get these meetups publicized across the net.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 12:21 AM
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16. Great to see some publicity on this
I've been signed up for at least 2 months now. Hope we can make it happen.

Eloriel
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 10:07 AM
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17. I signed for a MeetUp in Eugene OR, agreed to host
So far I am the only person, so we shall see.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-03 09:57 PM
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18. Get the word out beyond DU
There seem to be a bunch of DU'ers who signed up for Election Reform Meet-Up's long before this thread, but there were never enough people signed up to actually meet.

I bet there are a bunch of other people who are not on DU who had the same experience.

If we want to utilize this Election Reform Meet-Up vehicle it is up to us to change that.

I am sending the following e-mail to Chicagoans Against War and Injustice, AIDS Foundation of Chicago (both have voter registration drives), The League of Women Voters of Chicago, The Midwest Democracy Center, Rock the Vote - Chicago and any other group I can find that is working on political elections. I suggest other DU'ers do the same with local election/voter oriented groups in their area.

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Subject: Election Reform Meet-Up Wednesday, October 8, 2003

I am writing to invite you to attend the next Election Reform Meet-Up which is scheduled for Wednesday, October 8, 2003 at 7:00pm. Meet-Up's are a relatively new vehicle for people with common interests to come together in person. You can learn more about Meet-Up's at www.MeetUp.com.

The agenda for this month's Election Reform Meet-Up is Black Box Voting. In case you are not familiar with Black Box Voting, here is a beginner's summary, written by Bev Harris, who has been a driving force in the investigation into the problems with electronic voting machines and political affiliations of owners of the companies who make them. Her website is www.blackboxvoting.com She has broken the issue into 4 categories, Secrecy, Ownership, Disabling the Safeguards and Secret Certification and Testing.

1. Secrecy: What has always been a transparent process, subjected to many eyes and belonging to all of us, has very recently become secretive and proprietary. This happened when voting systems, which should be considered part of the "public commons" were turned over to private companies. These companies now assert that the process underlying the vote must be held secret from the voters.

- No voter, no citizens group, not even any academic group of experts is allowed to examine a voting machine.

- Likewise, citizens, academics and voters are not allowed to examine the software that tells the computer how to count and tally the votes.

- In addition, the process of voter registration is now going to private, proprietary and secret software.

2. Ownership: When a system that belongs to the public becomes secret, it becomes doubly important to make sure we can completely trust those who run it. Because voting systems have recently become proprietary secrets, we began to ask whether we can trust those who run these companies.

- Voting machine companies are not required to tell us who owns them.

- Several voting machine companies have been as secretive about ownership as they are about their voting systems.

- Two of the top six firms have been foreign-owned: Election.com, owned by the Saudis until an acquisition by Accenture a few weeks ago, and Sequoia, now owned by DeLaRue (Great Britain) formerly owned by Jefferson Smurfit (Ireland).

- Three of the top six firms have owners and/or directors who represent vested interests:

--- Election Systems & Software, the largest company. Main owner is a company owned by Senator Chuck Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy. Hagel has owned shares in both the voting company itself and in the parent company run by his campaign finance director, and Hagel was the CEO and Chairman of the voting machine company while it built the machines that counted his votes.

--- Diebold, the second largest voting machine company. CEO is Wally O'Dell, who recently visited George W. Bush at his Crawford ranch along with an elite group of Bush supporters called the "Rangers" (formerly called the "Pioneers") where they set strategy on how to help him win the next election. Days later, he penned a letter to Ohio Republicans promising to help "deliver the votes" for Bush. O'Dell sponsored a $600,000 fund raiser for Dick Cheney in July. Diebold director W.H. Timken is also a Bush Pioneer/Ranger

--- VoteHere, the company striving to get its cryptography software into all the other companies' machines (already has a contract with Sequoia), has as its Chairman a close Cheney supporter and member of the Defense Policy Board, Admiral Bill Owens. The SAIC, an "independent" firm doing an evaluation of Diebold security for the states of Maryland and Ohio, has Owens as it's Vice Chairman. Former CIA director Robert Gates, who heads the George Bush School of Business, is also a director.

- Voting companies also have a somewhat incestuous group of key players -- Todd Urosevich and Bob Urosevich founded ES&S, but Todd now is an executive with ES&S while Bob is president of Diebold Election Systems. Sequoia and ES&S share software and optical scan machines.

3. Disabling the safeguards: Voting systems have always had people trying to rig them, with varying degrees of success. Here is what has changed:

- The scale of potential vote-rigging has suddenly grown much bigger: Whereas it used to be that one had to run around bribing someone to shave the wheel on each lever machine, or collect up ballot boxes, stuff them in a trunk and do something dastardly, nowadays a programmer can, essentially invisibly, create a back door into the vote system for millions of votes at once. Whereas vote-rigging has always required physical access before, modems and wireless communications devices now open up possibilities for remote vote rigging that no one can observe.

- The audit trail is being taken away: An audit is simply the act of comparing two independent data sets that are supposed to match. Probably the most important understory to the voting issue right now is this: The voting industry is spending literally millions of dollars, and going through amazing feats of contorted logic that can best be described as marketing gymnastics, to convince us that we should discontinue proper auditing. The key words here are INDEPENDENT sources of data which should be compared. Instead, they want us to eliminate the ballot which you verify, and trust the secret system sold to us by manufacturers, without the ability to audit it using any independent means.

Even with the optical scan machines, which retain a paper ballot, states are now passing laws to prevent us from looking at the paper ballot to use it for a proper audit.

- Methods of access are changing: One key to election security is to reduce physical access to the votes. We've done this in various ways before; the typical attack point was always in the transfer of the votes from polling places to the county office. For this reason, the most secure paper ballot systems, in places like Canada, France, and Germany, require counting right there at the polling place. That also gives another security function: the "many eyes" method of security.

Computer technology can allow people to gain access using remote methods. Right now, you are reading this on the Internet. You have remote access to this forum. Imagine if the wrong people can gain remote access to view the votes as they come in. It would be much worse, if remote access allows them to write data into the vote system.

- Programmer access: One thing we've never had until we got electronic vote-counting (which includes touch screens and optical scan machines, and punch card tabulation as well), is software programming errors. A lever machine can be tampered with, but you don't have any software programming errors with it. Incorrect software programming has now been identified in at least 112 elections, often flipping the race to the wrong candidate, even when the election was not close.

No one knows how many elections have actually been misprogrammed, and as we remove the paper ballots, no one will ever know. We do know that incorrect programming producing errors as high as 25 percent is not uncommon, and software programming errors have been documented as high as 100 percent, and in one small Iowa county, a single machine miscounted by 3 million votes.

Incorrect software programming can take two forms: Accidental or deliberate. Either one takes away our right to have our vote counted as we cast it.

4. Secret certification and testing, which gives a passing grade to flaws -- The whole reason we are supposed to accept secret software and secret ownership is that, we're told, these systems go through extensive and rigorous certification and testing. However, this turns out not to be the case.

First of all, the certification officials refuse to say what tests they do, even when sent official questions by the California Task Force on Electronic Voting, which includes Dr. David Dill and other experts. We are told we cannot ask them any questions, and all questions must be asked of R. Doug Lewis.

Second, this person named R. Doug Lewis, who is unelected (no one quite know what his credentials are or who hired him) -- well he refuses to answer questions either.

Third, the testing that supposedly takes place at the state level quickly falls apart. It turns out that the states generally do not look at the secret programs at all; they simply ask some routine questions ("Can you vote more than once? How hard is it to set up?") and the states do a "Logic & Accuracy test" in which they set the machine to "test" mode, put in some test ballots, and if it counts right, they call it good. This will not detect fraud, and has proven to miss huge software programming errors quite often, but everybody feels good when they say "we do an L&A test and you, too, can watch."

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All other issues relating to the 2004 elections whither if the votes cast are not fairly and accurately counted.

Sign up for the October 8 Election Reform Meet-Up and vote for the location at: http://electionreform.meetup.com/

If you cannot or prefer not to register with Meet-Up.com you can contact me to RSVP and for the chosen location.

name
e-mail address
cell phone

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I would suggest other DU'ers who are signed up for Election Reform Meet-Up's do the same - and feel free to cut and paste and/or edit my e-mail as you wish.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 09:04 AM
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19. Sunday morning kick
Is anyone else interested in this?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 11:18 AM
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20. I signed up!
thanks for this!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 03:30 PM
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22. bumping to front page. Ha! as if anyone can find anything other
than Clark/Dean threads there.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 06:48 PM
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23. Aw come on, I had to pull this to the front off of page five!!
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-03 07:01 PM
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24. bump
eom
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 07:34 AM
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25. Would someone please
Ask Bev and Dave (publisher) to put a link to the Election Reform Meet-Up page on the BBV website(s)? I'm on my way out the door or I would send PM's and/or e-mails. Anyone else with a website with the BBV story might want to do so as well.

Thanks.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 12:55 PM
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26. Another
:kick:

Don't quite understand why more DUers aren't on this. Seems to me some of them don't quite realize the threat, perhaps.

The threat, quite simply is: Kiss Democracy Goodbye. If we don't have our vote, we don't have nuthin'.

Eloriel
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 01:01 PM
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27. signed up in Pa.
and kickin' it...
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-03 10:32 PM
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28. You can spend...
...a little time saving democracy. Signed up and kicking this up!
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 09:49 AM
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29. OK, I'll keep this One Going
PEOPLE need to get active.

Contact every person at every level who purports to represent you. Make them DO that!

Kick!
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-30-03 10:27 AM
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31. The list is growing
105 cities now ready to go. They need more people so get on Board Duers. These groups need the expertise and knowledge of the evil Duers.

Attention OHIO Duers. The cities of Canton, Dayton, Toledo, Cleveland and Columbus have started a meetup. They need you.

:kick:
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