SIX DEGREES OF MICHAEL LEDEEN >

[Stephanie]

Just how far does Fitzgerald's investigation extend?

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http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21704


Who Forged the Niger Documents?
By Ian Masters, AlterNet. Posted April 7, 2005.

Editor’s Note: This is an edited transcript of an interview conducted by Ian Masters with Vincent Cannistaro, the former CIA head of counterterrorism operations and intelligence director at the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan, which aired on the Los Angeles public radio KPFK on April 3, 2005.


<excerpt>

The documents were fabricated by supporters of the policy in the United States. The policy being that you had to invade Iraq in order to get rid of Saddam Hussein, and you had to do it soon to avoid the catastrophe that would be produced by Saddam Hussein’s use of alleged weapons of mass destruction.

Well, Ambassador Wilson publicly refuted the claims — particularly the 16 words in the President’s State of the Union address that the Iraqis were trying to buy significant quantities of uranium from Niger. That document, I understand, was fabricated ... it originally came out of Italian intelligence, I think SISME, or SISDE—I’m not sure which one.

It was SISME, yeah. ...

During the two-thousands when we’re talking about acquiring information on Iraq. It isn’t that anyone had a good source on Iraq—there weren’t any good sources. The Italian intelligence service, the military intelligence service, was acquiring information that was really being hand-fed to them by very dubious sources. The Niger documents, for example, which apparently were produced in the United States, yet were funneled through the Italians.

Do we know who produced those documents? Because there’s some suspicion ...

I think I do, but I’d rather not speak about it right now, because I don’t think it’s a proven case ...

If I said “Michael Ledeen” ?

You’d be very close . . .

Well, again, Vincent Cannistraro, the feeling you get is that, from going back to, let’s agree that 9/11 is the greatest intelligence catastrophe since Pearl Harbor, and then the WMD catastrophe that followed it. These are two huge embarrassments and it seems to be that the way the White House has handled it’s as though you have a car accident. And instead of blaming the driver, you are blaming the car here. So, do you believe that, you know, that this process — whether it was the intention or not — it’s certainly worked out in such a way to exonerate the White House and to lay the blame with the wrong . . .

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http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/4/dreyfuss-r.html

Just the Beginning
Is Iraq the opening salvo in a war to remake the world?

By Robert Dreyfuss
Issue Date: 4.1.03

For months Americans have been told that the United States is going to war against Iraq in order to disarm Saddam Hussein, remove him from power, eliminate Iraq's alleged stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, and prevent Baghdad from blackmailing its neighbors or aiding terrorist groups. But the Bush administration's hawks, especially the neoconservatives who provide the driving force for war, see the conflict with Iraq as much more than that. It is a signal event, designed to create cataclysmic shock waves throughout the region and around the world, ushering in a new era of American imperial power. It is also likely to bring the United States into conflict with several states in the Middle East. Those who think that U.S. armed forces can complete a tidy war in Iraq, without the battle spreading beyond Iraq's borders, are likely to be mistaken.

"I think we're going to be obliged to fight a regional war, whether we want to or not," says Michael Ledeen, a former U.S. national-security official and a key strategist among the ascendant flock of neoconservative hawks, many of whom have taken up perches inside the U.S. government. Asserting that the war against Iraq can't be contained, Ledeen says that the very logic of the global war on terrorism will drive the United States to confront an expanding network of enemies in the region. "As soon as we land in Iraq, we're going to face the whole terrorist network," he says, including the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and a collection of militant splinter groups backed by nations -- Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia -- that he calls "the terror masters."

"It may turn out to be a war to remake the world," says Ledeen.

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http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest&c=1

article | Posted August 15, 2002
The Men From JINSA and CSP
by Jason Vest

<snip> On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war--not just with Iraq, but "total war," as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it last year. For this crew, "regime change" by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative. Anyone who dissents--be it Colin Powell's State Department, the CIA or career military officers--is committing heresy against articles of faith that effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests, and that the only way to assure continued safety and prosperity for both countries is through hegemony in the Middle East--a hegemony achieved with the traditional cold war recipe of feints, force, clientism and covert action.

For example, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board--chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups--recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA's recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd's preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" should concentrate on "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot (and) Egypt as the prize.") Ledeen has been leading the charge for regime change in Iran, while old comrades like Andrew Marshall and Harold Rhode in the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment actively tinker with ways to re-engineer both the Iranian and Saudi governments. JINSA is also cheering the US military on as it tries to secure basing rights in the strategic Red Sea country of Eritrea, happily failing to mention that the once-promising secular regime of President Isaiais Afewerki continues to slide into the kind of repressive authoritarianism practiced by the "axis of evil" and its adjuncts. </more>

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http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/03/26/perle/index.html

Joe Conason's Journal
Will the Senate investigate top hawk Richard Perle's questionable conduct at the Defense Policy Board?

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March 26, 2003 | A Perle of great price

Two weeks ago I suggested that Richard Perle's commingling of public service and private profit deserves the scrutiny of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Evidence has been growing since then that Perle, the chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, is using his immense clout in the Bush administration as a business calling card. Yesterday, the New York Times reported that Rep. John Conyers has asked the Pentagon inspector general to investigate Perle, and that an unnamed "prominent Democratic member of the Senate" is "considering making a similar request." But rather than simply punting Perle over to the inspector general, the Senate itself ought to act in this case.

The first exposé of Perle's business affairs appeared in a New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh, who Perle then memorably smeared as a "terrorist" for having the temerity to report on his peculiar dealings with Adnan Khashoggi, the billionaire Saudi arms dealer, oilman and Iran-contra scandal figure. (Iran-contra scandal figures are a key talent pool for the Bush administration, the latest example being neocon publicist Michael Ledeen. Josh Marshall provides a photo of Ledeen and Perle at a Washington kaffeeklatsche, along with some of Ledeen's inane commentary, but omits his unsavory role in the arms-for-hostages fiasco.)

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,935812,00.html

Bush ready to fight war on two fronts
Ed Vulliamy in Washington
Sunday April 13, 2003
The Observer

The last shot of the war in Iraq will be the starting pistol for two further campaigns by the administration of President George W Bush. One will be fought in the region: no one really believes America's project is confined to Iraq. The toppling of Saddam is first base in what Michael Ledeen, leading thinker among the neo-conservatives driving foreign policy, calls 'a war to remake the world'.

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[joemurphy]

1. He's the Kevin Bacon of International Intrigue!!! n/t

[Stephanie]

16. Where's Waldo?

[Octafish]

36. Theresa LePore worked for Adnan Khashoggi.

The "Democratic" supervisor of elections for Palm Beach County once worked the Iraq-gate, Iran-Contra, October Surprise, Billy-gate, BCCI - connected scamster. How's that for a coincidence?

Did Adnan Khashoggi Throw the Election to Dubya?

Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, Dec. 4, 2000, at 2:56 PM PT

On Dec. 1, the "Washington Wire" column in the Wall Street Journal published this gratifyingly noir item about the postelection drama in Florida:

"Madame Butterfly" Theresa LePore wasn't always an embattled Palm Beach ballots chief. In the 1980s, she moonlighted as a flight attendant on private planes owned by Saudi weapons dealer Adnan Khashoggi, a middleman in Reagan administration arms sales to Iran.

Connoisseurs of Khashoggi-centric conspiracy theories should have little difficulty using this information to finger Khashoggi as the mastermind of the plot to deny Al Gore the presidency. Khashoggi has close ties, from Iran-Contra and elsewhere, to the Republicans, and vaguely defined ties to Dubya's father. (In a 1990 court case, Khashoggi's phone records revealed that Khashoggi had spoken at least twice with George Bush's vice-presidential office during 1985 and 1986.) LePore worked for Khashoggi during the 1980s, when, according to her official biography, she was chief deputy supervisor of elections in Palm Beach County, a job she held until 1996, when she was elected supervisor of elections. Ergo, LePore has been working as a Khashoggi asset to elect the son of Khashoggi's old comrade-in-arms, George Bush!

Chatterbox doesn't actually believe this, of course. But the Journal's tidbit does provide an occasion to play one of Chatterbox's favorite games, "Six Degrees of Adnan Khashoggi," in which the shadowy international arms merchant is connected to every scandal of the past 40 years and some that occurred even earlier. (It helps that Khashoggi is a "connector," to borrow a term from Malcolm Gladwell's book, The Tipping Point. Click here for Gladwell's explanation of how connectors rule the universe, and click here to read Chatterbox's favorable review of The Tipping Point in the Washington Monthly. See also Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball's classic 1987 New Republic article, "The Swami of Iranamok," which describes the connector role played by Khashoggi's spiritual adviser, Shri Chandra Swamiji Maharaj.) "Six Degrees of Adnan Khashoggi" is a slightly misleading name for this parlor game because in Khashoggi's case, it's rarely more than one or two degrees. Allow Chatterbox to demonstrate:

Iran-Contra. Khashoggi brought Manucher Ghorbanifar, Iranian arms buyer, into contact with the arms-selling Israelis. Khashoggi himself provided crucial bridge loans and lost somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million in the whole affair.

Imelda Marcos' Shoe Collection. In 1990, Khashoggi was tried, and acquitted, on charges that he helped the Marcoses conceal ownership of four buildings in New York.

Wedtech. Remember e.bob wallach, the crony of Ed Meese who, maddeningly, spelled his name in lowercase letters? wallach was an adviser to Wedtech Corp., a now-defunct Bronx-based minority contractor to the Pentagon. In that capacity, he tried to get Khashoggi onto Wedtech's board. Khashoggi never joined Wedtech's board. wallach was eventually convicted of defrauding Wedtech.

BCCI. The most complicated bank scandal in human history. Khashoggi had a big account with BCCI's Monte Carlo branch.

CONTINUED...Six-Parter...every sentence pure gold...

http://slate.msn.com/id/1006609/

Small world. And very, very bad.

[Generator]

2. Real scarey shit

Great links. And personally, I still find "remaking the world" much more frightening than it's "all about oil." Greed I can handle-ideacons scare the living daylights out of me. What's a little terror and few thousand deaths compared to all those that can be saved in the future when we "remake the world." See..I think that even the biggest evil doers have to have a justification for it-it's just not evil and greed-it's exactly this-"we can make the world better."

We are living in a horror sci-fi novel.

Also, I always wondered if those Niger documents weren't forgeries that go straight to our lovely neo-con cabal. They must be, ahh that Fitzgerald or whomever will be able to prove it is a nice fantasy.

[Octafish]

3. This is getting interesting.

AEI Ledeen and Larry Franklin and Harold Rhodes and the rest of the neo-con horde are getting the press they deserve. Traitors.

September 06, 2004

WHAT IS IT WITH THE NEW YORK TIMES AND MICHAEL LEDEEN?

"THEY HAVE NO CASE," SAID MICHAEL LEDEEN, a conservative scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a friend of Mr. Franklin. "If they have a case, why hasn't anybody been arrested or indicted?'" (New York Times, 6 September 2004, Ledeen comments on Pentagon/Israel spy case)

"Over the years, endless accusations have been made against him (Richard Perle)," said Michael A. Ledeen, a friend since the 1970's and colleague of Mr. Perle's at the American Enterprise Institute. "All have proven false, and I'm certain this one will be as well." (New York Times, 6 September 2004, Ledeen comments on ethics charges against Richard Perle)

Why is the New York Times giving Michael Ledeen legitimacy as a commentator on either the Israeli spy case or the ethics charges against Richard Perle for serving as part of the kleptocratic ring with Conrad Black at Hollinger International?

Michael Ledeen is potentially complicit and a person of interest in the FBI case involving staff in Pentagon Undersecretary Douglas Feith's office as he set up the meetings between Ghorbanifar, Harold Rhodes, and Larry Franklin -- which is a key part of the investigation.

Ledeen is also a major neocon fellow traveler of Richard Perle's who has helped advocate for Chalabi, and has long time personal and financial links to Perle.

DEAR NEW YORK TIMES:

STOP USING LEDEEN AS A SOURCE ON STORIES IN WHICH HE IS COMPLICIT -- OR MAKE THE CONFLICTS CLEAR.

-- Steve Clemons
Posted by steve at September 6, 2

SOURCE:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000049.html

Great post, Stephanie! Thanks for the fiend-ly reminder.

[Stephanie]

5. Ledeen --> Perle --> Chalabi --> Miller ??

From your article:

"Ledeen is also a major neocon fellow traveler of Richard Perle's who has helped advocate for Chalabi, and has long time personal and financial links to Perle."

[Octafish]

11. Is Fitzgerald making a case of the phony run-up of intel?

You're on to a very important part of the investigation, Stephanie. If Turd Blossom and Scooter leaked Plame's name to silence critics of the War Party, we know that Smirk and Sneer are involved. Great. But what about the leak heading the other way?

Wow. Could Fitzgerald be connecting dots from the Monkey House throughout the Department of Defense and Department of State? If so, he could have a case to indict half the Bush Crime Family "leadership" of the executive branch. The other half would've escaped because they're not involved with illegal and treasonous Iraq invasion.

You have seriously brightened my Monday. Thaaaaaankyew!

Col. Karen Kwiatkowski (ret.) layed the wood on these turds. Wonder if she's talked to the GJ? Her testimony shows what happened to analysts who mentioned any of these things: They were shouted down and shut out.

The Lie Factory

BY ROBERT DREYFUSS & JASON VEST

Mother Jones, January 26 2004

Only weeks after 9/11, the Bush administration set up a secret Pentagon unit to create the case for invading Iraq. Here is the inside story for how they pushed disinformation and bogus intelligence and led the nation to war.

SNIP...

So far, (Kwiatkowski) says, no investigators have come knocking. Not from the Central Intelligence Agency, which conducted an internal inquiry into intelligence on Iraq, not from the congressional intelligence committees, not from the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. All of those bodies are ostensibly looking into the Bush administration's prewar Iraq intelligence, amid charges that the White House and the Pentagon exaggerated, distorted, or just plain lied about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda terrorists and its possession of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. In her hands, Kwiatkowski holds several pieces of the puzzle. Yet she, along with a score of other career officers recently retired or shuffled off to other jobs, has not been approached by anyone.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence-it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials-including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February-that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.

Until now, the story of how the Bush administration produced its wildly exaggerated estimates of the threat posed by Iraq has never been revealed in full. But, for the first time, a detailed investigation by Mother Jones, based on dozens of interviews-some on the record, some with officials who insisted on anonymity-exposes the workings of a secret Pentagon intelligence unit and of the Defense Department's war-planning task force, the Office of Special Plans. It's the story of a close-knit team of ideologues who spent a decade or more hammering out plans for an attack on Iraq and who used the events of September 11, 2001, to set it into motion.

SNIP...

Called in to help organize the Iraq war-planning team was a longtime Pentagon official, Harold Rhode, a specialist on Islam who speaks Hebrew, Arabic, Turkish, and Farsi. Though Feith would not be officially confirmed until July 2001, career military and civilianofficials in NESA began to watch his office with concern after Rhode set up shop in Feith's office in early January. Rhode, seen by many veteran staffers as an ideological gadfly, was officially assigned to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment, an in-house Pentagon think tank headed by fellow neocon Andrew Marshall. Rhode helped Feith lay down the law about the department's new anti-Iraq, and broadly anti-Arab, orientation. In one telling incident, Rhode accosted and harangued a visiting senior Arab diplomat, telling him that there would be no "bartering in the bazaar anymore.... You're going to have to sit up and pay attention when we say so."

Rhode refused to be interviewed for this story, saying cryptically, "Those who speak, pay."

CONTINUED...

http://www.howardlabs.com/2-04/The%20Lie%20Factory.html

It wasn't just one forged document from Niger. These crooks wanted a whole BUNCH of forged documents from Ch-Ch-Ch-Chalabi and the rest of their "sources."

Remember. This wasn't about the oil. It's about a whole lot of oil.

Who's the oil minister of Iraq today?

[Stephanie]

12. Chalabi.

Is forgery in itself a crime? If he did it what could he be charged with?

*edit - I see it says they were created in the US. So does that violate any law?

[Octafish]

18. Forgery might not. Forcing intelligence pro.s to "cook the books" may be.

Don't believe the doc.s would be illegal. But perhaps their use by United States officials is. Bottom line: Bushco and the neocons used fmisleading, phony, false and fake witnesses and documentation to go before Congress and make a case for war.

Even we, without subpoena powers, can see they lied their eyes out, to borrow a phrase. For proof, just look how often the GOPers say, "Well, Congress had the same information the pretzelnut had." No kidding. That's what the the little turd from Crawford gave them.

So, now, Fitzgerald is looking at the rest of the crime family who were ignoring the facts and making a case for war. Maybe that also explains why the chimpministration has been completely slow in turning over the NSA transcripts Bolton used to spy on these gangsters' enemies.

Wouldn't it be great if the GJ has hit on the big connections and is working to put names next to events, meaning traitors next to treason?



Oh. Happy Day! America would again be a land of laws.

[dogday]

33. This is all about these forged documents

and the fact there were never WMD's... Remember the supreme court would not touch this case. A reporter sits in jail. This prosecutor is following every lead and every road. The fact the Joe Wilson went to Niger and what he did not find is the subject of this whole investigation. It is the reason the WH retaliated against him and his wife...

[Octafish]

35. And 4-3 is why Bush is so eager to announce his new "Justice."

If Cowgirl and Rehnturd resign or whatever, that would leave a temporary opening for Justice.

Wouldn't be prudent. So, we get the new Sandra Day Himmler.

These turds have every reason in the world to worry. There's a good chance they'll end up spending the rest of their natural days in prison.

[bloom]

24. leak- "Bolton to Wurmser and Hannah, to Cheney (and/or Libby) to Rove."

as Juan Cole writes:

"Hannah had fingers in all three rotten pies from which the worst intel came – Sharon's office in Israel, the Pentagon Office of Special Plans (for which Hannah served as a liaison to Cheney), and fraudster Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress. Hannah had probably been the one who fed Cheney the Niger uranium story, triggering a Cheney request to the CIA to verify it and thence Joe Wilson's trip to Niamey in spring of 2002, where he found the story to be an absurd falsehood on the face of it."

In short, Hannah was at the center of that vortex of deception that swept us into a disastrous war. When Ambassador Wilson came out with his famous debunking of the infamous "16 words," Hannah was well positioned to go after the heretic.

If we look at the passing of this leak as we would a ball game, as "super smart commenter Sara" pointed out on Digby's blog, the probable trajectory of the ball as it makes its way to the goal goes something like this: "Bolton to Wurmser and Hannah, to Cheney (and/or Libby) to Rove."

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677
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I think Ledeen would have been involved, also - on the document/myth side.

With Ledeen and Cheney being such buds - they probably connected also.

And notice the Hannah -> Chalabi link.

[Stephanie]

25. thanks!

NPR is doing a long story about this right now.

[hootinholler]

27. Thanks for that

I didn't have Hannah on my radar yet.

-Hoot

[bloom]

30. I hadn't really noticed him, either... eom

:kick:

[Stephanie]

10. Miller --> Rove --> Novak?

Didn't he first hear it from a reporter?

[hootinholler]

17. I don't think so.

It makes sense that ledeen is likely involved with the Niger story plant. But the info for leak most likely came from Wurmser. (Possibly it came via the bolton memo requested for Powell by Armitage)

But, then again what do I know?

-Hoot

[Stephanie]

19. What do you know? More than me!

What is the Wurmser story? And the Bolton/Armitage/Powell story?

[hootinholler]

26. My Wurmser theory is

in this thread. I think there's info on the Armitage request there too.

Basically Wurmser was the one who was involved in enough stovepipes to put it all together by himself.

Armitage is the one who requested the Niger memo for Powell's trip to Africa.

-Hoot

[eleny]

4. Check out my postings from the other day on Ledeen

Ledeen is an old ally of Cheney's. They were both on the advisory board of JINSA. And Ledeen was in Italy at the time the forgeries surfaced. He's itching to get us into Iran.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1933432
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1933502
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1933753

[Stephanie]

6. Wow -thanks!

Just perusing the first one and I can see that you've landed on this question before me. Interesting, no?

[eleny]

7. I was so glad to see your posting!

All that's been happening is really all about going into Iraq. So it's great that you discovered him. Criss crossing over Ledeen stories is too cool. He's like the guy in the shadows that needs a spotlight cast on him.

I don't know how prominent this article is in those threads. But it's posted in one of them and really interesting. Check it out when you get the chance. http://www.antiwar.com/justin/

I'm saving your posting - Great links!

[Stephanie]

8. DemonFighterLives posted the first link here >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4131568


And the older articles are from here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

:hi:

[eleny]

13. Thanks!

:yourock:

[blm]

9. In earlier days he planted lying news articles in countries of interest to

those looking to agitate for military goals. That was his job for the BFEE.

All that shit that went down in Central and South America in the 70s.....LeDeen was a prime agitator ginning up propaganda to stir up unrest in whatever country the fascists had their claws in.

[eleny]

14. Rotten , completely rotten

[Stephanie]

15. Oh jeez, so he was also meddling in Nicaragua & El Salvador

He's like Where's Waldo.

[blm]

29. Wherever the BFEE needed "unrest' to be planted using faux news reports,

that is where you find LeDeen.

[Stephanie]

34. so planting faux documents seems right up his alley eom

[bloom]

21. "For Ledeen..."

"Iraq was only the beginning of the broader struggle against the "terror masters". "As soon as we land in Iraq, we're going to face the whole terrorist network," he told an interviewer in March. "Iran, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia are the big four, and then there's Libya." "You can't solve all problems I grant that," he told the BBC. "I mean, I wrote a book about Machiavelli, and I know the struggle against evil is going to go forever."


From:

Veteran neo-con advisor moves on Iran

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF26Ak03.html

[bloom]

20. Gladio...

Minstrel Boy has lots of info linked. I don't know if you have this covered or not:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4081103#4081269

[Minstrel Boy]

23. Thanks bloom,

I was just about to post that link.

If the investigation leads to Ledeen, Italy and the Niger Docs, the whole stinking mess could blow up.

[DemonFighterLives]

22. Seems like things are really building here.

The Neocons are gonna be in trouble. Thanks to all the different sources here.

I'm sure Fitz's head is just spinning by how far these tentacles go.

Dumb question- Is it possible to write to anyone close to Fitz? I'm just thinking along the lines of support for his investigation. Just keep digging man. Another dumb question- Who picked the October deadline for the Grand Jury? I mean if they need more time, fine. It would be nice to wrap it all up in one war criminal neocon package though.
:bounce:

[Stephanie]

28. All trails lead back to the neo-cons

That's where everything comes together, starting with the ignored warnings before 9/11, then the lies leading up to Iraq, and now the Plame outting. Waiting for the frog march.

[DemonFighterLives]

31. From the thread by Hoot

The story about A. Q. Khan comes out. The Sy Hersh piece is great, but I seem to recall some connection between Knan's Nuclear Proliferation Network and Valerie Plame who was onto "them".
The perpetrators include some of our fearless leader who profit from proliferation.
Could it all be so simple that Valerie had gone too far and began to step on toes?
I can't seem to find much this morning.

[Stephanie]

32. If you search for posts by H20Man you will find those connection

Search for the Waterman Papers -