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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:15 AM
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Rick Santorum responds to Downing Street Memo in detail!
I got a response from Rick Santorum in the (paper) mail yesterday on the Downing Street Memo (DSM). Those following this issue may want to read what his points are. The letter makes it clear that Rick Santorum's office has a detailed understanding of the DSM contents. But the response to the DSM information relies on so much revisionist history and propaganda, it is scary that people like these have the power to start wars that result in the deaths of so mahy people, at the expense of our troops, tax dollars, national reputation, national security, etc. I took great care to proof read the retyping of Santorum's letter for DU consumption. I also posted this at DKos.

I've called Rick Santorum (and Arlen Spector and my local Republican representative) at least once a week since the DSM broke on May 1st. I've urged them to represent the 100% of their constituents who were lied to by Bush about Iraq. I sent my senators and representative a paper letter about the DSM shortly after it was published. My letter included a copy of the DSM, with key sections highlighted with yellow marker, and annotated in the margin to point out what those key sections meant. I sent the letter + DSM package to every office of my senators and representative, which happened to be 21 different offices for the 3 of them.

Now I've got a letter back, and from none other than Rick Santorum. Frankly, I'm surprised anyone on the far right would want to demonstrate detailed knowledge of the DSM. I've rebutted Santorum's points, and tied it in with Rove-Gate.

I got the following letter in the mail yesterday from Rick Santorum:


June 29, 2005

Dear Mr. ___

Thank you for contacting me regarding a memorandum prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair, now known as the "Downing Street Memo." I appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views on this important matter.

As you may be aware, a British newspaper released the Downing Street Memo on May 1, 2005. The memo refers to a meeting alleged to have taken place on July 23, 2002 between British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security team. At this alleged meeting, concerns were voiced over the legality of possible options in resolving the conflict with Iraq.

The Downing Street Memo, reportedly written by Blair aide Matthew Rycroft, highlights the minutes from the meeting. The minutes of the memo claim that military action against Iraq seemed to be the decided route favored by the United States long before any effort was made to work with the United Nations (UN) toward a diplomatic resolution. The memo also claims that there was no strong evidence to support military action against Saddam Hussein and his regeme.

Before the invasion of Iraq, the United States and the coalition forces were in the process of reviewing the intelligence information available at the time. At that time, the appropriate course of action was to formulate a range of options to ensure the safety of our citizens and those abroad, especially in the aftermath of the September 11th terrorist attacks. Accordig to the world's best intelligence sources, Saddam Hussein posed a serious threat to the United States and the Middle East as a whole.

No consensus position could be reached on Iraqi non-compliance with the UN Security Resolution 1441. Therefore, military action was seen as a viable option to ensure compliance.

Prime Minister Tony Blair has restated his firm belief that the United States, as well as the Coalition forces, acted correctly and justly based on Hussein's resistance to comply with the UN Security Resolution 1441.

As you may know, the Bush Administration has stated that the decision-making process to resolve the Iraq conflict has been made public and that taking military action was only persued after Iraq did not adhere to its international responsibilities. The U.S. did go to the UN in an effort to build international support for mandating Saddam Hussein's compliance with his UN obligation.

As you may be aware, several Democratic Members of Congress have signed letters to President Bush requesting a response to the Downing Street Memo. Please know that I believe the President made the correct decision based on the intelligence that he was given at the time.

The hard work of our men and women of the Armed Forces serving in Iraq, together with Coalition forces, have helped transition the once brutal regime into a country that now embraces democracy. Since military operations begun in Iraq, approximately 33,000 teachers have since been trained, and 2,500 schools have been renovated. Over one hundred health clinics have also been opened, and approximately five million children under the age of five have been immunized.

Please know that I fully support the men and women of our military who put their lives on the line each day to help provide security and stability to the people of Iraq and the Middle East as a whole.

Thank you again for contacting me. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call on me.

Sincerely,
Rick Santorum
United States Senate

RJS:jxs


My response (I haven't actually written or called back yet, but I will!)

Alleged July 23, 2002 meeting?

The July 23, 2002 meeting most certainly took place, and there is no need to label the meeting as "alleged." The minutes of the meeting were published May 1, 2005, several days before the UK election, and this information was very visible in the UK press. The meeting & minutes were even brought up in interviews with Tony Blair. This information was very damaging to Tony Blair's administration. If this meeting had not actually taken place, Tony Blair could have neutralized the memo's negative effect by pointing that out, since he "allegedly" chaired this critical meeting. That's just the best example that I know that proves the meeting took place. I'm sure there is much other proof that the meeting took place.

What was the evidence for the war in Iraq? Let's review, shall we?

Evidence that Saddam had any WMD in the recent years before we invaded? We are seeing the news everywhere today that Karl Rove, Lewis Libby and perhaps other top officials in the White House leaked secret information to the press that actually undermines our efforts to curb WMD proliferation. What was the motive of these Administration officials? They sought to silence, intimidate, and smear Joe Wilson. Joe Wilson correctly pointed out that the claims of yellowcake uranium were false, and that the Administration knew the information was false at the time of the famous 16 words in the State of the Union speech. It is beyond stunning that this was the best WMD information that Bush had to personally showcase for the American people. The traitorous GOP smear campaign is not working. I believe Joe Wilson. The Administration didn't want the truth of Joe Wilson's information to rip a gaping hole out of the poorly constructed rationale for invading Iraq.

What was the other evidence that the Administration chose to give us as WMD info tidbits? Condi Rice's aluminum tubes that she knew could only be used for misiles. Cheney's "fully reconstituted nuclear weapons" claim that never had a shred of evidence. Iraqi defector Curve Ball was the most legitamate source of information for Powell's claim of mobile weapons labs at the UN. Tony Blair's emphasis on unmanned arial vehicles, was based on what, can you remind me? Donald Rumsfled claiming to know exactly where the WMD are, yet nobody could provide the UN weapons inspectors with a location that had WMD while the inspectors were inspecting in the days before the invasion.

Now that the Fitzgerald investigation is turning up info that the White House was very involved in the CIA leak, the White House has all of a sudden become tight lipped, and it stinks like a coverup. Bush and press secretary McClellan don't want to interfere with an "ongoing investigation" by commenting on it. Did this stunning change in policy come about from the failure of Iraq policy? Once upon a time, there was an "ongoing investigation" of UN weapons inspectors, that was interupted by Bush's pre-emtpive war. While the inspectors were on the ground, they asked people like Donald Rumsfeld, if you are so sure where the WMD are, tell us where, and we will go there. After 300 of the best sites were confirmed to not have WMD, once again, the best information the Administration had on Saddam's recent WMD was proving to be invalid. Also don't forget that Saddam was cooperating, and allowing his illegal Al Samud missiles to be destroyed. The inspectors only needed a few more months to finish their "ongoing investigation", but Bush interupted that "ongoing investigation." Not only did Bush comment on this investigation for WMD, but he had the UN inspectors evacuated from Iraq to launch a pre-emptive war based on a hunch that there were WMD in Iraq.

Saddam was not a threat. According to our best intelligence (and who spends more $$ on intelligence than the US?) the case that Saddam was threatening was weak, which is what is also stated in the DSM. Saddam was not threatening to us, and also not believed to be threatening to his neighbors. Bush knew the intelligence was weak. That's why Joe Wilson was smeared.

Bush and Blair went to the UN for peace?

The UN was not at a consensus at the time that Bush determined the war in Iraq should start. Don't forget that even France said they would be willing to use force, but that the ongoing investigation of the weapons inspectors should finish. Tony Blair took Chirac's statements out of context to claim that France would never support using force against Hussein. The United States and Brittain did not go to the UN to resolve things peacefully. Their aim was to "wrongnfoot Saddam on the inspectors" as another mechanism to justify war, according to the information in the March 18, 2002 memo from Cristopher Meyer about his conversations with Paul Wolfowitz on Iraq strategy. How do you overlook the "spikes of activity" that the US and UK launched on Saddam in the months before the invasion?

Recent statements by Bush and Blair

Yes, Tony Blair has recently restated his beliefs on the Iraq policy. But how do you clear a liar by listening to what he has to say and ignoring the vast physical, documentary, and historical evidence that completely contradicts Blair's point of view? Wouldn't a liar just lie some more to protect the original lies? The Bush Administration has stated that the decision to invade Iraq was made publicly. I charge that the decision was made privately, and that what we were told in public was a lie.

Progress in Iraq?

At the end of Santorum's letter, there is some information on our progress in Iraq. We've trained 33,000 teachers, renovated 2,500 schools, opened 100 health clinics and immunized 5,000,000 children. I think our troops have done the best job they can do under the circumstances that the Administration put them in. However, I don't think the results above are much to show for such a deadly policy that has cost almost 2,000 US dead, tens of thousands US maimed, 300 billion dollars and killed 100,000 Iraqis (at a faster rate than Hussein was killing them), while leaving Iraq in worse shape than under Hussein, with child malnutrition double what it was under Hussein. Can we even believe these figures that show progress? Many many months ago, Rumsfeld claimed 210,000 Iraqi troops were trained, and Bush recently claimed 160,000 troops were trained. But we know that the real number of troops trained well enough to "stand up" for our forces to "stand down" is only in the low thousands. The Administration has made it impossible to win the hearts and minds of Iraqi's.

Conclusion

So, contrary to your claims, Senator Santorum, war in Iraq was the first and only choice for Bush, no matter how bad the evidence was that Iraq had WMD, no matter how much Saddam complied with the inspectors.

The Administration's claim that we can fight terrorists in Iraq instead of fighting them on allied soil is false. Madrid was attacked (911 days after 9-11). London was attacked. Are we next? We are creating and training terrorists in Iraq when they did not exist there before.

Our elected officials have a duty to represent the people that elected them. Everyone who voted for Rick Santorum was lied to by Bush about Iraq. Rick Santorum should confront Bush about the lies that have cost us to much.

There is so much reality based information to refute the lies that got us into Iraq, I could go on all day, but I've got to wrap it up somewhere, so how about here?
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:18 AM
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1. bejammin075, this is now your mission
Keep on Santorum, Spector and your Representitive like a pit bull.

Nominated!
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:57 AM
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7. your mission, should you choose to accept it...
I am on them and will not let up.

If I had any Dems to call, I could urge action. But I only have 3 Repubs to call (4 if you count the WH comment line, which I also call regularly...). I used to be "reasonable" about the DSM. Now I just say whatever I want, which get's a little heated at times, but fuck it. We were lied to about war. I am angry.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. I tried to send this by PM, but...
...so I'll post it here.

Check out DU's JOHN CONYERS group and/or his blog at www.johnconyers.com

You sound like someone who would organize a DSM party for this Saturday (info is also posted in the DU ACTIVIST forum).
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:11 AM
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12. Conyers blog is great
Don't know that I can commit to a party, but I do what I can. I would like to find out when my repub rep is having office hours, or a town hall meeting so I can confront him more directly about Bush's lies. My rep had Cheney campaign for him, so I assume he's a total asshole who will always cover for Bush's crimes.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:20 AM
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2. The DSM and Rovegate are indeed merging!
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. if Rove & Libby did treason
how bad is the crime they are covering up? lying us into war. 1,000,000 times worse. They fucked with the wrong America.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:24 AM
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3. Tremendous!
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 06:25 AM by sellitman
That should shake him up a bit. Won't change the lies, but deep down he will know people are on to their game.

The cover up will fail.


* edited and Nominated!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:25 AM
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4. Tremendous, indeed!
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. the coverup WILL fail
we will all make sure of that
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 11:48 AM
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33. in total agreement
your memorial is perfect and beautiful
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:33 AM
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5. Keep on him, bejammin............
let him know that there are a goodly number of people that know the truth and aren't going to accept the GOP talking points (read; LIES).

Could you also slip a message in there that the people of Pennsylvania are going to send his man/dog ass back to Virginia in '06. Tell him he'd better start looking for another way to finance his kid's education other than ripping off the people of Pennsylvania!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 06:38 AM
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6. Geeezzz ...
Does he think you're stupid?

Good for you on your persistance - 21 offices! WOW!

If you don't mind, I have to mail your post out to friends. In fact, I think I'll send this to my Congress critters, one of whom is the disasterous Peter King.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:03 AM
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8. email away
call & write your reps and senators often
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:23 AM
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13. Believe me, I do!
And Peter King hates me, I'm sure. He can write back some pretty unsettling letters - actually most of them are insulting.

Again, thanks for writing Sanitarium and posting his response.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:32 AM
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15. Has King counted the votes for 2006 yet?
I know he's the guy with that famous quote "we'll take care of counting the votes".

At my rep's office, i recognize several of the phone call aides, and they recognize me. i try to have something new to say each time, preferably a current or recent event, then tie it back into Bush lying us into iraq.

I've discovered that senator's offices are different. they are much less likely to ask for a name & address, so I think one could call out-of-state senators, if one wanted, without being detected as a non-constituent, to amplify our voices at the senate level
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:16 AM
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22. Oh, I agree, in fact
I do it often. I have an unlimited calling plan, so I take advantage of that.

Before I call, I find a city and zip code for the state just in case they want an address, then I make one up if they do ask. I try to adapt a dialect for the area I call.

All my calls have been received fairly well with the exception of one. That was Tom DeLay's office. He and Ted Kennedy were going neck to neck on something, I forget now what it was, I think it was Medicare. After being nasty, they hung up on me. Usually the Republicans just listen, some are condescending, but that one call to DeLay's - that one was very bad! I called them back up and chewed them out like a mother to a naughty child. The aide gave me a lot of "yes, mams".
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:26 AM
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14. We've trained 33,000 teachers
Quote
"We've trained 33,000 teachers, renovated 2,500 schools, opened 100 health clinics and immunized 5,000,000 children. I think our troops have done the best job they can do under the circumstances that the Administration put them in."

Firstly, the second sentence is not at issue, it is a generally true statement - however it is unrelated to the previous sentence.
Secondly, the first sentence is rhetoric.

If he was my Senator I'd ask him for the following....

1/ copies of rolls for the teachers trained giving names, training institution, specification of academic achievements, their employment outcomes and current/recent status.
(That's probably enough to prove the point, or continue)
2/ copies of records of all renovated schools, locations, and current status.
3/ copies of all reports noting extent of each renovation, actual work completed, timelines, contractors/labour, and completion notices.
4/ evidence of availability of basic furniture/ fitments (chalkboards et al) and consumables (pencils, paper, etc) to allow at least minimum function.
5/ as above for health clinics, both staff and facilities.
6/ records of the 5M kids jabbed as well as all observations of other health issue trends as observed by the medical professionals whilst administering this programme.

Then I might ask him...
How many limb prosthetics have been fitted to all the damaged Iraqi kids? What research and mitigation is being conducted into the alarming infant mortality rates now evident? Why is the average age of literacy increasing in parallel with the endurance of the occupation? What about the skyrocketing number of kids being born disfigured or otherwise impeded? Why don't the civilian hospitals have any supplies to function beyond first aid?
And 100 other things.

His claims of schools/clinics etc is garbage. Never mind a royal flush, he's got a pair of two's at best. Call him on it.

Who has seen any film of all these claimed achievements? Seems to me that if it were true the pics would be blasting out showing us all how well it is going. Far as I can tell very little reconstruction has happened in most of the country, and I've been looking hard.
Don't be fooled by how much of your money has been spent on reconstruction, study what has actually been achieved.

Cheers
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:37 AM
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17. 33,000 probably means 600
If the conversion factor 200,000 = 4,000 applies to the training of iraqi troops.

at the DKos thread that I posted yesterday, someone pointed out that those stats (33,000 teachers, etc,) were like 15 months old. I haven't had time to look into it, but it would be disturbing if the repubs had to rely on these old cooked figures to show progress. what's happened in the last 15 months?

the repubs never acknowledge a single setback on this war. killed 100,000 iraqi's, no big deal, not even worth mentioning.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:59 AM
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21. conversion factor
I'll accept your conversion factor, and raise you a phoney buck on the remote chance that the senator can come up with a proper list of even 600 trained teachers which the occupiers can fairly claim credit for.

Cheers
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:29 AM
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How many of those 33,000 are still alive?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #17
24. How many of those 33,000 are still alive?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:41 AM
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27. You can train a teacher that quickly?
Here is the US, it normally takes 4 years of college, at least, not to mention teacher certification... and, many teachers have master's degrees as well, adding another 2 years to the process.

And, the qualifications for a college professor are still higher than that!
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:38 AM
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18. Nice addendum to the great reply by bejammin075
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 07:38 AM by confludemocrat
The on-the-ball-ness with balls by people here astounds me sometimes.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. On-the-ball-ness with balls
that has a nice ring to it.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #14
32. Hi Spurt!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #32
41. Thanks for the welcome
Thanks for the welcome NY99.
Been reading and learning for ages.
So I may be a newbie poster, but an old hand with some of the issues.

Cheers
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. There is no way they've renovated 2,500 schools.
Where are they getting materials? Tools? Workers? Halliburton can't even be trusted to serve meals. I haven't seen one single picture of a renovated school. How can he make that claim with a straight face and sleep at night?
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:34 AM
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16. UN Resolution 1441
Resolution 1441 was passed by the UNSC on November 8, 2002, 3-1/2 months after the DSM said that "military action was now seen as inevitable" and that the US had "no patience with the UN route."

1441 required Iraq to submit a report on any prohibited weapons programs that it might have, and it required that UN inspectors be re-admitted to verify compliance. Santorum's assertion that "no consensus position could be reached on Iraqi non-compliance with the UN Security Resolution 1441" makes no sense: Iraq complied with both of those provisions. The US response was that, since we "knew" Iraq had WMDs, the report must have been a pack of lies and that Iraq must have been hiding the weapons from the inspectors. In other words, Iraq's compliance was simply declared to be non-compliance.

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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
20. good point
Bush wouldn't take "yes" for an answer.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:21 AM
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23. Good job. Did you send you counter points back to him?
We need to keep hammering these scum.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #23
29. I called and made most of these points
actually just a day or 2 before I got the letter in the mail.

i just got off the phone with the DNC comment line, and talked to someone for about 20 minutes on the issue of being lied into war. i told the DNC that, while i now am not shocked at what repubs do, i'm very shocked and puzzled that dems aren't vocal about being lied into war. what kind of opposition party is this? how come every dem on TV and radio isn't talking about this? we have the documents to back it up. the situation can be summed up like this:

Republicans: willing to lie.
Democrats: afraid to tell the truth.

And I'm not even a Democrat! just an American with no representation in the government.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:29 AM
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25. Scumtorum
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. how about "Scrotorum"
just thought of that one.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:56 AM
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31. Good one! He is the scum of the scrotums!! n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:32 AM
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26. Outstanding!!!.....Was the bombing used to improve his polls?
Hmmmmmmm...........

True mental illness.
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:44 AM
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28. The Iraq insurgency is the fault of Boston Liberals!!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:25 PM
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34. Most xcellent refute!
I would make Santorum's fantasy reply and your repsonse to it a part of an LTTE campaign to the newspapers of influence in your neck of the woods. I'm sure others have received Senator Dick's spammed auto-response and your step by step deconstruction of the baloney would be quite enlightening to the citizens of Pennslyvannia.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:31 PM
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35. Keep on him!! :^D
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:52 PM
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36. Wow, I am very surprised that he responded
You think we can take a look at the letter you sent him? I am suddenly inspired to write my reps! They're all R's too but if you're getting through, maybe there's hope for my Virginians
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. i thought so too
i assumed a far right repub would want to pretend ignorance as long as possible.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:40 PM
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39. Excellent work Bejammin.
Keep on. Maybe you can send your expeerience to your local paper and get this dullard of politican to respond even more. haha
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:18 PM
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40. What Disturbed said
good idea. This might very well be local paper material!
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:01 AM
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42. "....immunized 5,000,000 children..." Can you spell autism?
And can you say invest in drug companies girls and boys?

They are so greedy and self serving, it's pathetic.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:17 AM
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43. immunized with shrapnel, depleted uranium...
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:32 AM
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44. You might want to point out for Mr. Santorum
...that his contention:

...taking military action was only persued after Iraq did not adhere to its international responsibilities. The U.S. did go to the UN in an effort to build international support for mandating Saddam Hussein's compliance with his UN obligation.

...didn't happen until AFTER these "spikes of activity":

RAF Bombing Raids Tried to Goad Saddam into War - London Times

THE RAF and US aircraft doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs on Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war, new evidence has shown.

The attacks were intensified from May, six months before the United Nations resolution that Tony Blair and Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, argued gave the coalition the legal basis for war. By the end of August the raids had become a full air offensive.


It's described even better by Jeremy Scahill for The Nation:

The Other Bomb Drops

It was a huge air assault: Approximately 100 US and British planes flew from Kuwait into Iraqi airspace. At least seven types of aircraft were part of this massive operation, including US F-15 Strike Eagles and Royal Air Force Tornado ground-attack planes. They dropped precision-guided munitions on Saddam Hussein's major western air-defense facility, clearing the path for Special Forces helicopters that lay in wait in Jordan. Earlier attacks had been carried out against Iraqi command and control centers, radar detection systems, Revolutionary Guard units, communication centers and mobile air-defense systems. The Pentagon's goal was clear: Destroy Iraq's
ability to resist. This was war.

But there was a catch: The war hadn't started yet, at least not officially. This was September 2002--a month before Congress had voted to give President Bush the authority he used to invade Iraq, two months before the United Nations brought the matter to a vote and more than six months before "shock and awe" officially began.


You're doing a great job of hitting him with the truth, keep it up!! :)
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