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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:43 PM
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Will Bush order Gonzales to fire Fitzgerald as heat gets turned up?
As President Nixon fired Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox in Watergate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/102173-2.htm

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:44 PM
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1. Ah the days of the Saturday Night Massacre
You betcha... the question is how soon.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:45 PM
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2. Yes and Gonzales will do what he is ordered to do by Bush....
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:49 PM
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8. Stand back for the shitstorm that would ensue
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 12:49 PM by mtnester
or bloodbath, whichever the press decides...I personally would not want to be caught in either.

On edit - although it would be fun to watch
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:45 PM
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3. hope so ...... It would start a fire storm ......
..... except the press and fox would back him for getting rid of a
trouble maker.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:46 PM
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4. Hmmm, I don't know about that!
Fitz seems to be respected by both sides, which is much different than Cox was. I'm not sure even Shrub could get away with that one!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:46 PM
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5. Maybe Its A Condition Of His Appointment Tonight
No, not a chance they could be that brazen.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:47 PM
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6. That would be a very dangerous move.
People will remember Watergate and the firestorm over the Saturday Night Massacre. It was one of the most important events of the whole matter, and it helped reinforce in the minds of the public what a crooked, power-mad SOB Nixon really was. Especially in light of this history, Little George wouldn't dare pull a stunt like that. Note the WaPo's description of the "traumatic upheaval:"

"In the most traumatic government upheaval of the Watergate crisis, President Nixon
yesterday discharged Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox and accepted the resignations of Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus.

The President also abolished the office of the special prosecutor and turned over to the Justice Department the entire responsibility for further investigation and prosecution of suspects and defendants in Watergate and related cases.

Shortly after the White House announcement, FBI agents sealed off the offices of Richardson and Ruckelshaus in the Justice Department and at Cox's headquarters in an office building on K Street NW. An FBI spokesman said the agents moved in "at the request of the White House."
Agents told staff members in Cox's office they would be allowed to take out only personal papers. A Justice Department official said the FBI agents and building guards at Richardson's and Ruckelshaus' offices were there "to be sure that nothing was taken out."

Richardson resigned when Mr. Nixon instructed him to fire Cox and Richardson refused. When the President then asked Ruckelshaus to dismiss Cox, he refused, White House spokesman Ronald L. Ziegler said, and he was fired. Ruckelshaus said he resigned."
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:07 PM
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12. What You Said!
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Alien8ed Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:48 PM
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7. Does a Bear
shit in the woods?
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 12:58 PM
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9. I don't think so
I think the Nixon-era hangovers in the administration learned a lesson from the Archibald Cox incident.

I think they'll be more insidious: Probably blackmail or threatening his family....
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:05 PM
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10. No. n/t
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:05 PM
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11. That would trigger an impeachable Constitutional Crisis
It is a problem whenever the head of all law enforcement in the nation becomes a law breaker. Since the investigative bodies of government are the pervue of the President, he has the power. But exercising that power to prevent or impede the investigation of the President himself, or people close to the President, is probably an impeachable offense itself. One of the three Articles of Impeachment in Watergate concerned (in part) the Saturday Night Massacre.

If he does this, it will likely be another Article of Impeachment.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:18 PM
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13. To quote Clint Eastwood and Ronald Reagan...
Go ahead...Make my day!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:49 PM
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17. Fuck Reagan, the fucker was always stealing someone else lines...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 01:52 PM by LaPera
Reagan thought it was just one big Hollywood set!

I'd love to see them fire Fitzgerald, they will be cutting their own throats, in the eyes of American people, the people will then pay even more attention to it and will want the facts.

And we know the facts (the truth) will sink these corporate, imperial, fascist, greedy, lying bastards!!!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:01 PM
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20. Oh, I whole heartily agree!
"B" movie actor makes a "B" US president. But the line was originally Eastwood's, at least in the way Reagan used it in a pathetic attempt to sound like Eastwood. As I recall, Reagan got great mileage out of uttering Eastwood's classic line in reference to the Democrats' budget that was being sent to him. Apparently, he was all set to veto it, much to the delight of the Republicans.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:25 PM
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14. no they won`t
he`s to far into the investigation
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:28 PM
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15. What happened to the Grand Jury when Nixon fired Cox?
To fire Fitzgerald might render the Grand Jury as leaky as a sieve. No, firing Fitzgerald would backfire - big time - on the entire Bu$h regime. I'm not saying that Fitzgerald will see the conclusion of the Grand Jury investigation, but I don't think Bu$hco is stupid enough to fire him. A dirty, Rovian smear campaign .. maybe. Baxter-ize him .. maybe. But firing .. no.

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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:29 PM
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16. Gonzalez has testifed. I don't think he can fire the prosecutor.
He has a bigger conflict of interest than Ashcroft has.

I have an idea that Bush & Rove really want to put Gonzalez on the Supreme Court so it will open up the Attorney General slot for a "disinterested party" to step in and fire Fitzgerald.

However, their Fundie Base wouldn't stand for it.

So now let'e see what they do.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:50 PM
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18. How would Gonzales fire a US Attorney?
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ScamUSA.Com Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:51 PM
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19. uhh... justice department chain of command?
lets hope not!
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