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keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:21 PM
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Harry Potter versus the Pope
Harry, KO in 2 rounds.

Seriously through, like the swallows to Capistrano, a new Harry Potter book means new nutwings crawling out of the woodwork to bash it for not falling in line with their "ideal"

Pope Benedict the 16th decided to say that book was bad for kids because of it's anti-christian message and sorcery.

newsflash for the Holy Father, England in a Protestant country... but I digress...

One would think people would be happy that kids were putting the tv remote down and reading a book is a GOOD thing....

guess not.

I'll edit my post with the url of the Holy Father's statements as soo as i can find one....
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:24 PM
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1. Stodgy adults saying that something is bad, guarantees one thing...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:26 PM by Sandpiper
Kids will snatch it up as quickly as possible.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:26 PM
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2. I'd wager there's more Christianity in Potter
than there is in the Pope.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:28 PM
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3. If you polled kids as to who was more likeable
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:28 PM by Sandpiper
Harry Potter or the Pope, Ratzi would get crushed.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:30 PM
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4. well, Potter's a troubled but good hearted teenage wizard
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:31 PM by GreenArrow
fighting against ultimate evil. Ratzi, (nice name for 'im) is just an "'umble worker toiling in God's fields." No contest
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:36 PM
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5. Harry Potter is more popular then
Benedict, Hell, Malfoy is more popular then Benedict.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:41 PM
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6. I'd love for someone to tell me what Anti-Christian msg it has!
Ok, I'm terribly biased - huge HP fan. But I'm also a Catholic, and as far as I can remember, I have never encountered any mention of Christianity in the books.

If we go back to the basic question, what message(s) do/does the HP book(s) send to kids, I'd have to say that it is an inheritly Christian message: You must fight evil no matter what the cost. You may lose your mother, your father, and others you love, but you must keep fighting the good fight. Also, love conquers evil, and that our hero stays strong when he is closest to his friends.

How is that anti-Christian again? Because they are 'wizards'? I haven't heard the church speak out against the Star Wars movies use of the 'force' as a challenging spiritial doctrine... these people need to get a grip...

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:43 PM
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7. Benedict XVI is just jealous because his book sales are slow




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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:29 AM
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8. Vatican Radio broadcast a pro-Harry Potter piece by a priest
I was asked once in a press-conference in the Vatican whether I thought the witchcraft and magic in Harry Potter was a bad thing, and I said to the people present: 'did anyone in this room grow up without stories about witches and fairies and magic and spells and mystery and so on and so forth?', and everyone seemed to agree that none of us had grown up without those things. And then I said: 'did it make us into ennemies of the faith, or ennemies of God, or ennemies of the Church?' And people seemed to say: 'no, no'. And I said: 'well, I can't see any problem with Harry Potter, because, really, all the stories are about the victory of good over evil'.
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I was sent a letter from a lady in Germany who claimed to have written to the then cardinal Ratzinger, saying that she thought Harry Potter was a bad thing. And the letter back, which I suspect was written by an assistent of the then cardinal Ratzinger in his office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, suggested that there was a subtle seduction in the books. What that subtle seduction was, was not specified, which makes me think it was a generic answer. And she had written a book on these subjects and so the Cardinal's signature was at the bottom of the letter, suggesting she should send me the book.

She sent me the book, and I found it a very unsatisfactory book. I don't think she understands English humour. For example, she said: one sign that these books are making fun of Judaism and Christianity is that Voldemort, the wicked magician, who is the great evil power against whom Harry Potter has to fight, is referred to often as 'he who must not be named', and she takes this as an insult to the name of God in a similar way that Adonai, which is often written as Jawhe, is the name that should not be said in Jewish religion. Well I replied to her: don't you know that even within English families, men who make fun of their relationship with women in a nice, lighthearted way say: oh, she who should not be named, meaning the power in the house, their wife. You know, I think it was meant on that kind of level.

In any case though, the very people who complain about such things are the ones who would want priests above all, and teachers within the catholic faith, to speak about the devil, and to name the devil, rather then to speak of some abstract, evil force. Harry Potter is the only one, in the Harry Potter books, who names evil: Voldemort. The 'flight of death' if you like, that's what his name literally means. So Harry is the one that doesn't avoid naming evil, or naming the evil one. Harry is doing exactly what those people want, and showing by his lack of fear of evil, that he believes that goodness will triumph.

http://catholicinsider.com/scripts/hp_transcript.php
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:34 AM
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9. Get a life, pope - the book is fiction, fantasy.
As in, not to be taken seriously.
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