A JAW DROPPER I Found In The Abuse Documents Secured By The ACLU!

[DistressedAmerican]

I was working on adding content to www.endtheabuses.org today and I was reviewing some of the more than 350.000 pages of material obtained from the government detailing the detainee abuse investigations at Abu Graib, Camp Bucca, Camp X-Ray and GITMO.

There are some AMAZING documents there. They include, among other things, extensive summaries of detainee interviews, The original memos from Richardo Sanchez detailing the interrogation techniques at GITMO, and the Law Of War J.A.G training manuals.

Among all that, this one document really jumped out at me. It is an internal FBI e-mail discussing the impersonation of FBI agents by DOD interrogators at GITMO. These FBI folks are PISSED about this.

Check out this quote:
"These tactics have produced no information of a threat neutralization nature to date and the CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee.

If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done (by) the "FBI" interrogators. The FBI will (be) left be left holding the bag before the public."

This is amazing stuff.

The DOD is impersonating FBI, the interrogations are not producing any useful information, They have destroyed any chance of prosecuting the detainee in question AND in this 2003 document it openly discusses "TORTURE TECHNIQUES" as GITMO.

Allegations of detainee abuse at that facility have been consistently denied by the DOD. Well DOD, The FBI begs to differ!


For more on these docs, take a look at:
http://www.endtheabuses.org/Documents.htm

The full selection of these docs that the government does not want you to see can be found here: http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/

Am I the only one that that is completely jaw dropped by this information? It seems like a MAJOR revelation to me!

[Maat]

1. Wow.

Just wow.

[rzemanfl]

2. BushWorld. Love it or leave it. Why do you hate freedom? n/t

[TahitiNut]

19. Government 'freedom' - not limited by Constitutional boundaries

The 'freedom' to lie.
The 'freedom' to cheat.
The 'freedom' to invade.
The 'freedom' to torture.
The 'freedom' to imprison without due process.
The 'freedom' to search without warrant.
The 'freedom' to murder thousands.
The 'freedom' to plunder for private enrichment.


Yeah ... they're hated for their 'freedoms' ... and I'm one of the 'haters'!!!

[rzemanfl]

23. Didn't there used to be just four, and weren't they ours? n/t

[mike_c]

3. everything the gov't says publicly about it's treatment of POWs...

...is a lie. You can count on that. Everything. Including their legal status. All lies, all the time.

[alfredo]

4. Thank you.

I will copy and distribute the info.

[DistressedAmerican]

5. Please DO! I Think A Little Press Release And Some LTTE's Are In Order.

I think I'll send it along to my Senators and reps. I would like to see a full investigation into these charges. They are making my head spin!

[alfredo]

36. I hope this puts more pressure for impeachment and war crimes

charges pressed against the junta.

[evermind]

6. Jawdropper is right - that should be front page news! (n/t)

[Eloriel]

7. I had a sense at the time we found out this was happening,

this impersonation of FBI, that that's PRECISELY why they did it -- to foist off blame onto them instead of the Pentagon. Fuckers.

Good work! :toast:

[bananas]

8. How many megabytes are they?

The ACLU website doesn't give any estimate of how large the documents are.

[DistressedAmerican]

15. Some are huge (150 pages or more). Others Are A Single Page.

I found most of them opened fasrt for me. But, I Have a sweet connection. The long ones will be more of an issue for the dial up crowd.

There is so much here. I have just begun to dig through these docs. I think I'll be at it for quite a while.

I suspect they are full of such revelations...

[fortress]

9. i hate to be the naysayer...

but this was posted here and possibly glazed over in the MSM a while back. without a doubt, my uncle (a ret. FBI agent) and many others would rightfully be enraged at this, but again, this is something that has been 'lightly' covered, and falls under the "been there, done that" modicum of the MSM and whatnot.

I do hope with the Rove-crap that is coming down the line, this gets brought up again. If for no other reason to clear the name of persons who have done the right thing and see this for the sham government it truly is.

[DistressedAmerican]

24. We'll See About That! I'll Do Everything I Can To Shove This Info

in to the public. I will make it a presonal mission to contact politicians, and reporters (not media outlets, Reporters).

When I combine it with some of the other shocking info I am reading in these docs in a large well documented compilation, people will care.

With the new abuse photos and vids out soon, The media will be looking for a new angle to adress the issue. I'll give it to them

Stop waiting for the MSM to do the work. They won't. It will require grass roots mobilization and we are already off to a great start on that.

At the minimum there are plenty of alternative outlets that would find this a very juicy tidbit.

Be empowered.

[annabanana]

28. the release of the new pics will stir up a whole load of this

shit for us to get into the media...

[DistressedAmerican]

29. That Is I Why I Have Been Combing Through This Stuff.

An opening for exposing this stuff is coming and I want to be ahead of the curve.

If we are armed when the fight starts we cen do some real damage before the spin minimizes the reaction.

We are loading the arsenal with fodder such as this to lay on the media. I think many will listen!

[Czolgosz]

47. Any word on the timeline for the release of the new ACLU-FOIA evidence?

[Twist_U_Up]

41. weren't these pics due out last month ? n/t

[Tsiyu]

10. They beat all that ever was

They will destroy everything they touch like fucking termites.

Weasels and liars are in control. No such thing as "honor" in that military operation.

Yeah, my jaw can't drop much further, but it's a bit lower now....

[TahitiNut]

11. The crimes and abuses of this adminstration are beyond all reason.

It's impossible to rationally hypothesize the full extent of their criminality and corruption. This, after all, is their greatest advantage: everyday Americans just can't accept the idea that they're living under a sociopathic fascist regime.

Few people know of, let alone comprehend the implications of, the Stanford Jail Experiment or Stanley Milgram's experiments ... even on DU. (Perhaps our local myopia should be called DUnial instead of denial?)

[wli]

22. frankly I'd not be surprised to discover an Auschwitz-like affair ongoing

To give you an idea of how criminal and corrupt I expect these fascists to be.

[TahitiNut]

27. If you were a "good German" in 1938, you'd be run out of town for even ...

... suggessting that. Funny how history repeats itself for those who just won't learn.

[spanone]

12. kick

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

13. Jaw dropping is an understatement. Kicked and nominated.

[enough]

14. Chilling.

For all the reasons you point out, and also this:

"If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way..." makes you imagine the likely outcome in which "this detainee" is NEVER released, and his story is NEVER made public in any way.

What a world this is we are creating.

[DistressedAmerican]

30. Yeah, Not "When The Detainee Is Released" If Ever Released! Creepy!

[brettdale]

16. kick

kick

[katinmn]

17. We need to make sure this sees the light of day.

[ismnotwasm]

18. The fact that we have to discuss even torture

Is beyond disgusting. It is jaw dropping, but somehow not surprising. And that is both disgusting and very, very sad.

[Monkie]

20. funny thing is they were released 6 months ago

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17216&c=206

"FBI E-Mail Refers to Presidential Order Authorizing Inhumane Interrogation Techniques

December 20, 2004

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: [e-mail]

Newly Obtained FBI Records Call Defense Department’s Methods "Torture," Express Concerns Over "Cover-Up" That May Leave FBI "Holding the Bag" for Abuses"

[punpirate]

21. This made the news a while back, but only...

... very, very briefly, maybe around April or May.

As I recall, there's some evidence that this impersonation of the FBI was also done at some times when there were visiting Congress critters to make it seem that the FBI was extracting good information from the detainees, and to impress the critters that everything at Gitmo was on the up-and-up. There was the suggestion in some of the FBI email that, when there were Congressional visitors, that some of the more compliant detainees were rehearsed by DoD personnel to make it appear to the visitors that the techniques were working well.

Cheers.

[ngGale]

42. I remember this too, the threat to the FBI ...

by BEEF if anything came out they would lay all on the FBI. I hope the FBI fries them over the BBQ pit.

[SmokingJacket]

25. Wow -- amazing.

The FBI has been seriously fucked over by the BFEE.

I'm wondering how they will get their own back...

[bribri16]

26. It is a MAJOR revelation. Why haven't the FBI and CIA handled this

regime? Are they, the bush regime, really that powerful?

[paula777]

31. Jaw dropper indeed. These guys are worse than the mafia

[me b zola]

32. Recomended & kicked

[bettyellen]

33. these must be the same guys impersonating FBI during the SS rallies...

IF he's ever released?

[DistressedAmerican]

34. That Was "Impersonated" Secret Service. These Repugs Can't

keep their jobs straight!

[bettyellen]

35. Oh shit, it's like an early haloween, isn't it....

i'm having a hard time keeping all the dirty tricks straight.
thanks for keeping track for me.
:hi:

[PuraVidaDreamin]

37. Did we ever find out who was IMPERSONATING CIA at SSTownhall?

These fuckers have been impersonating
human beings for 5 years. I just get
so upset over how much destruction to the
planet they have ravaged in such a short
time.

[DistressedAmerican]

38. It Was Reported As An Overzealous Local Repug Organizer.

I still happen to believe it was BUsh orchestrated sine it happened in otuer venues as well as Denver. If they are right that really was an OVERZEALOUS repug!

[Boo Boo]

39. I agree it's a big deal, but...

as revelations go it's old news. Believe it or not this was reported in the Press. I suppose if there had been blowjobs and blue dresses involved it would have caused more of a stir.

Our Republican Congress:

[DistressedAmerican]

40. Well, With The New Photos and Vids Scheduled To Be Handed Over

We can hope that it gets new legs!

[LibertyorDeath]

43. You are a treasure!

I'm emailing it to CNN to Aaron Brown to be more precise
In previous emails he claimed that "he alone decides what goes on his show"

Well Mr.Brown this just may wipe that fucking smirk of your Faux Liberal face.

[e-mail]

[bejammin075]

44. Great find!!

[Oreo]

45. Just sent this to the Star Tribune

They've been one of the leading papers to get the truth out. Whoever breaks this story will get their newspaper's name listed throughout the world.

Amazing job finding this! I'm sure DOD officials have no more of a right to impersonate an FBI agent than anyone else.

[DistressedAmerican]

46. HERE IS A CLEANER WRITE-UP FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN DISTRIBUTING

DOD Interrogators Impersonate The FBI

FBI e-mail confirms that DOD interrogators at GITMO utilized "torture techniques" on detainees while impersonating FBI personnel

http://www.endtheabuses.org/DOD-FBI-GITMO.htm
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The American Civil Liberties Union's ongoing legal efforts have forced various branches of the federal governement to produce more than 350,000 pages of documentation of prisoner abuse at facilities such as Abu Graib, Camp Bucca, Camp X-Ray and GITMO.

These documents include, among other things, extensive summaries of detainee interviews, The original memos from Richardo Sanchez detailing the interrogation techniques at GITMO, and the Law Of War J.A.G training manuals.

Among all that, this one document really jumped out at me.

It is an internal FBI e-mail discussing the impersonation of FBI agents by DOD interrogators at GITMO:

"These tactics have produced no information of a threat neutralization nature to date and the CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee.

If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done (by) the "FBI" interrogators. The FBI will (be) left be left holding the bag before the public."

So, this e-mail seems to confirm that the DOD is impersonating FBI personnel, the interrogations are not producing any useful information, their methods have destroyed any chance of prosecuting the detainee in question AND in this 2003 document it openly discusses "TORTURE TECHNIQUES" as GITMO.

Allegations of detainee abuse at that facility have been consistently denied by the DOD. Well DOD, The FBI begs to differ!

For more on these docs, take a look at:
http://www.endtheabuses.org/Documents.htm

The full selection of these docs that the government does not want you to see can be found here: http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia /

Am I the only one that that is completely jaw dropped by this information? It seems like a MAJOR revelation to me!


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More On This Story Can Be Found At Amnesty International's Website At The Following Link:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18336&c=206

[Czolgosz]

48. Here is the message I sent out:

FBI email busts Dept. of Defense for torture at Gitmo

Here's an FBI email making an official complaint that Department of Defense interrogators are using TORTURE TECHNIQUES on detainees at Guantanamo while FALSELY IMPERSONATING FBI agents which has ruined any chance of prosecuting the detainees and also miserably failed at gathering any relevant information. Here's an excerpt:

"These tactics have produced no information of a threat neutralization nature to date and the CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee.

If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done (by) the "FBI" interrogators. The FBI will (be) left be left holding the bag before the public."

The people held without charge at Gitmo include people who HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED OF DOING ANYTHING WRONG (<http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/06/cleared-guantanamo-detainees-still.php>), CHILDREN (<http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,942347,00.html>), and SENILE OLD MEN (<http://writ.news.findlaw.com/mariner/20021104.html>]).

[realFedUp]

50. would be a good story for the MSM....nt

[VOX]

51. Thanks, DA. Will pass this along. n/t

[leesa]

49. Well, perhaps the FBI people that have willingly covered up and

participated in BushCo's crimes might benefit by finally talking. Such as, what happened on 9-11, guys?