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DoyBoy Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:31 PM
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Wake up and smell the failure.
I've been a long time reader and occasional poster here at DU since before 9-11. I have watched my country fall into the hands of corporatists (read fascists), thugs and warmongers. I continue to watch the world fall apart and can do nothing about it. I have joined in protests and try to inform people of what is really going on till I'm blue in the face. I have tried to keep hope through two stolen elections, the 9-11 show, an illegal war, increased "terrorism", the slaughtering of the constitution, torture, the wealthy and privileged increasingly raping the earth for their own greed, lies from our government, blatant hypocrisy, treason, unbridled apathy and stupidity as the norm (because we all know that the fact Paris Hilton took a shit today is more important and newsworthy than the outing of a CIA agent), increased poverty and racial bigotry, etc. etc. ad nauseum. However, it comes time to face the facts we're screwed.

I am a proud Liberal and will always be, but I find that we are our own worst enemies. We have no party (you are fooling yourself if you think the the Dems have any of our best interests in mind) to support us. We try contacting congresspeople (a waste of time since most of them have people that read and respond to our messages). We post here to try to enlighten people and to make our voices heard but what's the point? We are either preaching to the choir or bickering aimlessly among ourselves because this person bashes religion or something and they are labeled not tolerant enough or that person is too much of a conspiracy theorist and makes us look ridiculous (like the right wing bastards worry about how stupid they sound when they go off on us). It seems to me we have been so preoccupied with taking the high ground that we failed to see the enemy skirting under our noses and now have the upper hand. Face it they are far better at planning their ultimate goals than we are.

America does not want to care about anything but itself. I hold this whole world in utter contempt. I am tired of worrying and being outraged and pissed. I'm sick of being told to buy! buy! buy! We have allowed too much for too long and now it's biting us in the ass in a big way. The world sucks out loud and I hate it and everything that it stands for. I've washed my hands of the whole business, so see you on the other side.

Flame away because frankly, I don't give a damn!
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:33 PM
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1. Flame?
You obviously care about the right things.

I look forward to more from you.

Welcome.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:39 PM
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2. Good thing we don't ALL feel that way...
or the Republicans will be in power for the next thousand years. Maybe they will, anyway, but I for one want to die on my feet, not on my knees.

Good thing some people fight even in the face of absolute failure. They are my heroes.

The world may largely suck, yes, but it doesn't *entirely* suck. Bach does not suck, and Bach is only one of the many things Bushco cannot touch.

Dude. If you really feel this way, sign off of DU and go hand out sandwiches to the homeless. Or paint an old person's house. Be useful.

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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:39 PM
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3. Sounds Like You're Ready For Renunciation
You are renunciating.

Welcome. There is an entire population of folks around the world who have formally renounced this madness.

Cheers
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:48 PM
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4. You'll be back....
They enemy of the Good Fight is Apathy not Disgust. And we'll be here
to welcome you when you do come back.


Don't waste that fire !!!!
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:51 PM
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5. Failure?
I remember a time, not very long ago, when the ChimpError and his ever greedy gangsters 'enjoyed' approval numbers somewhere close to 90%... Today, it seems the numbers are getting closer and closer to the toilet every single day... Who would have predicted such a huge slope to ever happen some 3 years ago? Now, for a real success to happen, one must never give up hope and, more importantly, one must never stop working for it no matter how long and difficult the road to the good and honest success is.

My $0.02.

Thanks.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:11 PM
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7. Without the internet.... they would still be enjoying high
approval ratings.... too bad for them huh?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:24 PM
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9. Yeah. They "forgot" to study how to catapult the propaganda...
effectively using the internet because it merely existed in the early nineties. Well, perhaps also they're just beginning to 'try' to use it (re: 'the other site') but it seems they can't make their 'childish experiment' really work in their favor (re: 'the ever sinking approval ratings').

Now, all we need is to make sure someone powerful enough can keep ** away from the button...

:nuke:
:scared:
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:23 PM
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8. You've got to hand it to all those fighting the good fight.
But I, for one, sympathize with the frustrated and disillusioned.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:57 PM
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6. Aside from the strident rhetoric and accusing tone
I think you make a good point, and your message is not lost on me. But I've never been one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:35 PM
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10. Why......
...he's no fun...he fell right over.

Yeah, the weight of the republican world leaned on the poor boy, just as it has the rest of us. But he fell over... gave in and gave up, while the rest of us lean back against a formidable onslaught. How many more of us will fall before the job is done?
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:45 PM
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I didn't read it iin purely literal terms.
I leave that to the fundamentalists.

It sounded to me like more of a cry of abject frustration than outright capitulation.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:45 PM
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11. Dude..
... I know EXACTLY how you feel. And I set of a rant here now and then. It doesn't really help much but it doesn't hurt either. :)

I'm living for the day I can move to the boondocks and silently flip the middle finger at the whole fucking mess.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:05 PM
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12. I can't disagree but....
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 08:06 PM by IMModerate
There is a strength in disciplined fascism. And there is a vulnerability in free wheeling liberalism.

We should hope that our belief in our better way will ultimately allow us to prevail. We tolerate diversity and even laziness. But we wouldn't want a world without those things. Hang in. Ours is a better (and harder) way.

--IMM
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:13 PM
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13. Come on, DoyBoy. I'm 62 and been through some shit both
personally and politically - it WILL pass, believe it or not, and we'll be a better nation for it because we've seen how close we came to ruining everything that makes our country the greatest. Think of the people who went through the Great Depression, and the millions of people in other countries where they NEVER have enough to eat and they watch their children die of starvation, for Christ's sake. That's what real gut wrenching depression feels like - we're just going through a "phase", but watching other people in other countries makes me feel like a real whimp - would I do any better than they - I really doubt it. Whatever your problems are, they are not as great as theirs. Snap out of it, and get back in the fight - we will prevail in the end.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:17 PM
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14. I understand completely....
But my response is to do whatever I can for someone less fortunate than myself. I sponsor a little girl in Cameroon, I'm contributing to organizations that help children (the most vulnerable in these awful times) and I keep seeking out ways to help people instead of worrying over the politics.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:22 PM
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15. At least we can do damage control, Doyboy
Volunteer to feed the hungry or build houses for the homeless or lobby your local government to preserve some wilderness. Don't just feel sorry for yourself.

Doing something--any little thing--goes a long way to dissipate that hopeless feeling.

I had a friend who felt like that back in the 1970s. She told me everything that was wrong with the U.S. and asked how her life could possibly be worse.

"Well, you could be living in Pol Pot's Cambodia," I remarked.

She was a thoughtful person, which is why she felt all the world's problems so badly, but I think that answer forced her to adopt a new perspective.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:24 PM
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16. right wing hate radio started the same way
and became quite powerful.

why can't good ideas also follow a path where we will eventually be heard?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:29 PM
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17. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.
At least you have the consideration to get the hell out of the way.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:17 PM
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18. That reminds me of the old saying: Do not lead me, for I may not
follow, do not follow me, for I may not lead, do not walk beside me either - as a matter of fact, just leave me the Hell alone. Kinda my words to live by.
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